First of all, can I just say that I don't want this to turn into a fanboy's "mine's better than yours" thread, as far too many of these things seem to...

Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that for me, Bluetooth is a marvelous technology, that "does exactly what it says on the tin". Yet for some reason the majority of manufacturers seem to be ignoring it, or at best offering support for a limited number of profiles.

Sony-Ericsson released the first real mass-market phone incorporating Bluetooth over 18 months ago, with the T68, and later the T68i. The BT functions of this phone were well ahead of their time -- even now, no other phone (except SE's P800, which uses the same Bluetooth subsystem) has come close. The trouble is, no-one seems to want to, either.

But why is this? It's a mystery to me. A system where you can get into your car, turn on the ignition and be instantly connected to the handsfree kit seems like a good thing to me. A system where you walk into your office, your computer detects your presence and downloads your schedule to your phone/PDA. A system where you can use your mobile as a remote control for the media player on your PC, so that it pauses when you go out of the room and switches on when you come back. All this can be done today, at very little cost (I bought a Bluetooth USB adaptor a couple of months ago for £20). It's a mystery to me why phone manufacturers continue to only incorporate Bluetooth in their high-end product, rather than following SE's lead and including it in mainstream phones.

I know I'm going to get people's backs up with this, but I think a lot of the blame lies with Nokia. They're the market leaders, and where they go, others follow. Yet they have been painfully slow on the uptake with Bluetooth. The 7650, a supposed 'smartphone', doesn't support bluetooth for anything but data transfer. Nokia's flagship 3650, an otherwise fantastic phone, doesn't support the "Headset" profile used by, er, bluetooth headsets (ironically, this means the official Nokia BT headset doesn't work with it, while the latest Sony-Ericsson one -- which uses the 'handsfree" profile as well as "headset" -- does).

If Nokia had made the decision to include Bluetooth in the 6xxx and 7xxx ranges, and the 3510i (their mainstream handsets) then we would see a much quicker adoption of bluetooth by the general public. Prices would fall, and manufacturers would begin to look for new and innovative uses for this great technology.

Sorry to eulogise there, but you get the point -- I really like Bluetooth. It frustrates me that no other phone I look at to replace my T68i supports it as well as that phone, if at all. This must be a ploicy decision on the part of the manufacturers to hold back bluetooth from thier popular models, but I really can't understand why. Please explain!

Nokia say all new Handsets will come with bluetooth. They claim it adds too much on the cost of the handset, and its not used enough at the moment. All i ever use bluetooth for is to send a video to my mate, which is rare.

Until bluetooth devices become more common in the home, the amount it is used i think will still be slim. Yes handsfree it comes in handy, but how many people use handsfree?

Bluetooth is great, I use it everyday. I sync digiguide with outlook, sync that with my phone, then never miss a tv program! And I use it to send pictures to people on the other side of the office, cutting out the 40p MMS charge.

And i plan to get a headset when Jabra release the 3650 compatible BT-200. Oh, and the Nokia HDW-2 does work with the 3650, it supports the handsfree profile. Also, my bluetooth adaptor supports bt headsets, so it'll be pretty cool to have a wireless mic for my pc.

I agree that Nokia have made it hard for bluetooth, with the lack of support for profiles. I mean, it's only a software thing to be able to support a different profile, but nokia aren't making any attempt to add further support in any new firmware releases.

Bluetooth is cool and i use it everyday with my P800.

This mustr tell you something about Nokia - all style no substance.

just received my new SE T610 .... with Bluetooth.
sold my Nokia 7210, mostly because it never had it, and i found sycronising with the cable a pain. half the time it was connected and didnt recognise the fact.
just bought a BT adaptor for my PC and its great. From mobile to PDA or desktop.

as the previous post says, its not being used to its full potential.

I also have a sore point with Nokia. I'm still waiting for a Nokia phone which has bluetooth, looks decent and not a gimmicky phone, has different profiles, and okay priced.

I usually have a small phone like the 8210, 8310, 6510 etc. Apart from the 8910i, which is seriously expensive, there is nothing small and with bluetooth. The only other one is the 6310i but a bit long in length for me.

I've been a long time Nokia user but it may be time for me to look elsewhere.

hmm u guys dont make it easy...

Was planning on getting something like the Nokia 6610, and using say infra red to transfer images/tunez and stuff....but u guys insist bluetooth rules?

My motherboards got blue tooth onboard

Any idea when Nokia will support it ?

T610i from SE is the phone you need.

What some might say is Siemens's T68i, the S55, supports Bluetooth perfectly. So don't forget that.

Even if it is a tad expensive compared to other mobiles.

Tristan_B, you hit the nail right on the head?!?!?

I have just posted a similar message on another forum that I am a member of.

I have a T68i and a bluetooth headset for it because it is great when I am in the car, just attach it to my ear and chat away. My old phone was an 8310 and the headset on that required me to pull over, untangle the headset from the glove box, connect it, plug it in and finally answer the call if the person hadn't gone by then. Bluetooth is a real revelation, but Nokia in particular don't seem to want to utilise it.

My T68i is getting a bit old now so I want a new phone that has:

colour screen
camera (pref built in)
polyphonics
small and light
bluetooth and infared
cheap on contract
easy to use
feature packed

Is there a phone out there that satisfies all these criteria, NO. The Siemens S55 (i think) with the camera and bluetooth would, but the 256 colour screen is c**p and it is so akward to use and featureless.

I'm now thinking about selling my bluetooth headset and plumping for a non bluetooth 6100 which could have been the ulitmate phone if it had bluetooth, but I can't afford a Nokia car kit and don't really want one, but can I afford to risk an accident in my car??!?

The new Sony Ericsson T610 -- the successor to the T68i, gk141054????


SE T610 Info

Yeah mate, have been waiting for this phone to come out for ages and it looks perfect. Can't wait to get one, but due to me being a poor student, may have to wait a few months to finally get hold of one because they will be expensive.

However I did notice that Carphone Warehouse do a 3 month refund the difference guaranttee, whereby if you buy a phone from them for say £130 now, then in 3 months if the phone is only £50 (on the same contract i assume) then they will refund the diff.

Has anyone done this, whats the catch because its obvious that this phone will be way expensive for the first month then should drop to more sensible levels.

Anyone?