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Why did Oftel have to stick there nose in!
Look what Oftel have caused, cost of calls and text messages is going up all over the networks, handset costs going up, all because of Oftel! There was nothing wrong with the cross network calls before, i got charged 20p a min to other networks at all times, not exactly expencive. Its all gone a mess! On Orange Pay as you go Quote:
Calls to landlines and Orange mobiles rise by 5p per minute, from 15p to 20p per minute. Off-net calls also rise by 5p, from 35p per minute to 40p per minute. On T-MobileData services did not escape the price rises. The cost of sending text messages was raised by 2p to 12 p per message while Orange has abolished the 5p per minute weekend rate for WAP calls. These are charged at 10p per minute at all times. Orange will impose a minimum 5p call charge, except for roaming calls. Quote:
T-Mobile has also withdrawn most of its anytime tariffs except for Anytime Share, which will continue to be offered to businesses. Pay as You go customers will see a 10p per minute price rise in cross network calls to 40p per minute.
Vodafone has already upped its prices........Oftel needs setting fire too!
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I've got the anytime to anyone 200 tarriff... that's fine by me (I think!!) lol
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I don't understand. How have Oftel stuck THEIR noses in?. And what rises has this brought about? Can you add a bit of detail please?
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Oftel have said Networks have GOT to reduce the termination charges by 15%. (Then some more as well in the future) But this is where they make quite a bit of there money. So now they got to make there money from other places, such as
Handsets - No subsidising Cost of calls now going up, and text messages. |
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I wonder how long it will take Oftel to figure out that prices have gone up? What will they do if anything? I get the impression they don't care!
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Originally posted by ripsaw82 Why should handsets be subsidised? That means the person who is sensible and stays with his phone for longer is still paying extra through his calls to subsidise people (like me) who upgrade regularly. Our call prices are so high in this country because of this subsidy on upgrading. In Italy, I would have to pay full price for a new mobile, but calls are dirt cheap. I can phone back to the UK and spend an hour on the mobile, and it will often be cheaper than using a landline.Oftel have said Networks have GOT to reduce the termination charges by 15%. (Then some more as well in the future) But this is where they make quite a bit of there money. So now they got to make there money from other places, such as Handsets - No subsidising Cost of calls now going up, and text messages. Just because they make THEIR money by charging extra for cross-network calls, doesn't mean it's right. Now we can take our numbers to another network, how will you know if you are ringing a phone on your own network or not? I certainly can't tell. When you talk about Oftel sticking THEIR noses in, you should be aware they are doing it for our benefit. |
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I agree.
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Originally posted by Ragazza How have we benifited in any way from what Oftel have just done?Why should handsets be subsidised? That means the person who is sensible and stays with his phone for longer is still paying extra through his calls to subsidise people (like me) who upgrade regularly. Our call prices are so high in this country because of this subsidy on upgrading. In Italy, I would have to pay full price for a new mobile, but calls are dirt cheap. I can phone back to the UK and spend an hour on the mobile, and it will often be cheaper than using a landline. Just because they make THEIR money by charging extra for cross-network calls, doesn't mean it's right. Now we can take our numbers to another network, how will you know if you are ringing a phone on your own network or not? I certainly can't tell. When you talk about Oftel sticking THEIR noses in, you should be aware they are doing it for our benefit. Call charges have gone up, even though the handsets are being subsidised LESS. |
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You're not making yourself at all clear. You ask how we are better off from Oftel ruling that cross-network charges be reduced. Well isn't the enswer to that question written in the question? The cross-netork charges have been reduced, so that is a reduction, and so we have benefitted.
Let's recap: Providers were charging a higher than normal rate for calls to another network. Now, can you tell me why it cost so much to make that connection? The fact is, there is no reason why such a high charge should be made. The call doesn't cost any more to make, and the charge was nothing short of punitive. The providers were effectively punishing each other, and we were having to pick up the cost in our bills. So on our behalf, Oftel ruled that this charge was unfair and that it should be addressed. That is what Oftel are there for. Now you cite subsidised calls as a good thing, yet I have pointed out that this is the very reason why UK call charges are so high. You cannot complain that call charges are high because they can't 'tax' us unfairly for making cross-network calls, then praise subsidised handsets, that are the very cause of those high call charges. Why do you see Oftel as the bad guys in this? Can't you see they are doing this to prevent us being overcharged? |
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Calls to land lines gone up
Calls to Other Networks gone up Cost of Text Messages have gone up. The only thing that has happened is more of your free minutes are to anynetwork. Just look at the "i'm leaving orange" thread. |
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Given that pretty much everybody I know is on the same network as me, this is a tremendously bad thing from my point of view.
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Just because it's right for your particular circumstances, doesn't mean it's fair and right. The termination charge is made by providers against people who connect to THEIR customers when phoning from another network. There is no reason for this charge other than the can do it. Because the charge is made by a provider you do no subscribe to, then there is no comeback by the caller who is charged. So the competion rules are bypassed. It is unfair, the person who makes the call doesn't necessarily know the call is to a user on another network, because as I said earlier, you can move a number from one network to another, so you might think you are phoning someone on your own network, but they may have moved to another network since they first took the number.
Rather than worrying about calls going up because they are not able to impose this unfair charge, why not look at the REAL cause of the rises. That is the subsidy of the hardware, that Ripsaw seems to think is such a good idea. |
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Ragazza, you are missing the point. .Everything was fine the way it was before . Calls WERE cheap, Text Messages WERE cheap, Handsets WERE cheap.
Now Calls More Expencive. Texts more expencive, subsidy less. We ARE getting a worse deal. |
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Originally posted by ripsaw82 No it wasn't fine. We were getting charged unfairly for calls to other networks, and there was no indication as to which network we were calling, and so when we would incur the charge.Ragazza, you are missing the point. .Everything was fine the way it was before . Calls WERE cheap, Text Messages WERE cheap, Handsets WERE cheap. Now Calls More Expencive. Texts more expencive, subsidy less. We ARE getting a worse deal. Do you really think the change in the termination charge brought about rises to all the things you list? The termination charge must have brought in a lot of money then. The charges couldn't be related to the huge losses (billions) incurred by their 3G ventures? |
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20p a min peak rate to another network is expencive? I do not think so.
Also they bought those 3G Licences ages ago, its just so happens the price increases co-inside with Oftel poking in. Yes, they will be wanting to make money back, buy why take so long to alter the price plans after buying if its the reason for such big hikes? |
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My rates haven't gone up, so I really don't know what you're on about. Why can't you get it into your head that Oftel act on YOUR behalf, not on behalf on the providers. You would set fire to them (as you so poetically put it), and so if we had no Oftel, we would be getting ripped off in a big way.
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im still on the same plan the all in one since 1997 and it has only gone up £10 in 6 years and you now get 18 months instead of 12
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The new price plans/changes may suit some people more than others mostly off net callers.
I dont care about the reduction in handset subsidys so long as they don't try and rip us of more by locking them which is illegal on an unsubsidised handset. I feel on the whole the changes the networks have made have increased costs to consumers. If Oftel really care about the consumer they must act! Im happy that they have reduced termination charges but im angry that the networks have raised prices else where to compensate for it. PS O2 just wrote off £10.2 billion worth of 3G debt. The Register - MMO2 weighs in with £10.2bn loss I expect we will see even more price increases
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As I see it, Oftel had two choices: either insist that their be no differentiation whatsoever between calling somebody on your own network, and calling somebody on a different network, or maintain the status quo.
If they had gone the whole way, we might have had some interesting competition on our hands. No longer would I be tied to Vodafone because all my friends have Vodafones. I'd be free to chose the best deal for me from whichever operator I wanted. Instead, we have this ridiculous half-measure whereby I am still tied to Vodafone, because same-network calls are still much cheaper, but I am having to pay much higher line rental (I currently pay £14pm; the equivalent new contract is £20 per month, for half as many inclusive minutes). Thanks a bunch Oftel. |
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I don't pay for cross-network calls, and I haven't done since 2001.
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Wait a minute. Ripsaw are you referring to Pay as you go phones? Well, how can they subsidise PAYG phones? If they did that then people might buy a subsidised phone and then never use it, so how could the provider recoup the subsidy. The whole point of PAYG is that you PAY AS YOU GO. If you want subsidised phones then you need to go the contract route. That's why they have contracts, so you are tied in and in return they will subsidise your phone. You seem to want the benefits of contract without any commitment. That's wanting your cake and eating it.
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No i am not talking about Pay as you go phones. Quote:
Why can't you get it into your head that Oftel act on YOUR behalf
Oftel do nothing of the sort. When i have made a complaint to Oftel about a real rip off (GPRS Charges) They are still a rip off. I get no reply from Oftel other than we are still looking into it, and that was 3 months ago!Of course it will not effect your current price plans, because you are on it, the prices were set ages ago. Its the new ones that have altered, which call charges have gone up in. My charges have not gone up, but i am no locked on this price plan, because if i change i cannot go back. Because its been stopped because of this "any network" plans.. Oftel have done a half job. If they were to not subsidise handsets full stop, then calls and/all line rental could be reduced. If they have termination charges handsets can be subsidised and calls can be cheap. Instead oftel have allowed them to do somthing in the middle, of which we are now worse off. |
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Originally posted by ripsaw82 .No i am not talking about Pay as you go phones. Quote:
Originally posted by ripsaw82 .On Orange Pay as you go quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Calls to landlines and Orange mobiles rise by 5p per minute, from 15p to 20p per minute. Off-net calls also rise by 5p, from 35p per minute to 40p per minute. Data services did not escape the price rises. The cost of sending text messages was raised by 2p to 12 p per message while Orange has abolished the 5p per minute weekend rate for WAP calls. These are charged at 10p per minute at all times. Orange will impose a minimum 5p call charge, except for roaming calls. Quote:
Originally posted by ripsaw82 Calls won't be cheap because on many calls you will have to pay the termination charge. We are going round in circles here.
If they have termination charges handsets can be subsidised and calls can be cheap. |
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Originally posted by Ragazza But calls were cheap with subs. . Calls won't be cheap because on many calls you will have to pay the termination charge. We are going round in circles here. 5p Land line 10p T-Mobile 20p Other Networks 5p Text. Now the equiverlant is 10p Land lines 10p T-Mobile 25p Other Networks and line rental is £4 a more |
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Ripsaw, my calls are nothing like what you quote, and they are going down, not up.
In answer to your question, "Why did Oftel have to stick THEIR nose in!", they do this to make sure the providers play fair with the customers. |
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