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T816 Bugs
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bert_blagger
23-10-2007
I'm wondering if its worth considering doing a channel rescan on machines that are having issues with EPG etc.

There's been a bit a re shuffling on freeview with the channels recently. Obviously this won't fix issues that the EPG search causes, but it may help.
PTD
23-10-2007
Originally Posted by creddish:
“I have now got around to testing this on the T816. You can enter the Edit screen for a programme in the Timers list after it has started recording and view the full data for the recording but unfortunately you can't change any of these details at this time. So it's not a workaround for the loss of the title I'm afraid.

Colin”

Thanks, sorry it doesn't help. I was afraid of that. I suspect that the latest issue for the Daewoo also has this facet because it also removes the padding option. For once I'm not eager to have an update.
creddish
23-10-2007
Originally Posted by PTD:
“1 Do the T816s allow you to edit the end time of a 'time' recording which has already started? On the Daewoo this allows you to preserve the title and synopsis in the library even though it changes in the timer list. Limited use, but I seem to use it quite often for non-AR channels.”

Originally Posted by creddish:
“I have now got around to testing this on the T816. You can enter the Edit screen for a programme in the Timers list after it has started recording and view the full data for the recording but unfortunately you can't change any of these details at this time. So it's not a workaround for the loss of the title I'm afraid.

Colin”

I have just had another go at this and it seems there is a way of doing this which may be the same as you described for the Daewoo. If you change the recording type from "Event" to "Time" in the Timers list before the recording starts but do not change the timing details at this stage then although the Title is lost in the Timers list it is retained in the Library. With this procedure it is then possible to edit the Timers list after the recording has started and add padding at the end and still retain the Title in the Library. The key step is to change the event "type" before the recording starts but change the timing after the recording has started. Is that the procedure you follow on the Daewoo?

Colin

Edit:- Errors in text corrected
PTD
25-10-2007
Originally Posted by creddish:
“I have just had another go at this and it seems there is a way of doing this which may be the same as you described for the Daewoo. If you change the recording type from "Event" to "Time" in the Timers list before the recording starts but do not change the timing details at this stage then although the Title is lost in the Timers list it is retained in the Library. With this procedure it is then possible to edit the Timers list after the recording has started and add padding at the end and still retain the Title in the Library. The key step is to change the event "type" before the recording starts but change the timing after the recording has started. Is that the procedure you follow on the Daewoo?

Colin

Edit:- Errors in text corrected”

Yes, that's it precisely. I did specify for a 'time' recording, which I maybe should have stressed, having realised that 'event' is the default setting on the T816s.

Good, still hope for the Daewoo updates then, not that I'm expecting one anytime soon .
creddish
28-10-2007
Following on from my earlier posts #54 and #65 I carried out more recording tests yesterday (Sat 28 Oct) to see if I got any corrupted or failed recording as previously. I scheduled recordings using the Guide for all the evening programmes on BBC1 starting with Strictly Come Dancing and ending with Match of the Day. With one exception all the programmes recorded satisfactorily with good Accurate Recording functionality (as has been the case for about 20 recordings on BBC and ITV during the last week). The one exception was Casualty which produced results I've never experienced before. The recording was of the correct duration with correct picture. However, there was no dialogue sound, just occasional commentary voice over describing the action. I'm guessing this is some sort of facility for disabled "viewers" but if it is I don't understand the value of it. If it was an aid for the partially sighted then surely they would want the dialogue? If it was an aid to those with poor hearing then the audio commentary would be of little value to them.

Does anyone know what this is all about.? And more to the point why did my T816 produce a recording in this form and has anyone experienced anything similar.

Colin
PTD
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by creddish:
“Following on from my earlier posts #54 and #65 I carried out more recording tests yesterday (Sat 28 Oct) to see if I got any corrupted or failed recording as previously. I scheduled recordings using the Guide for all the evening programmes on BBC1 starting with Strictly Come Dancing and ending with Match of the Day. With one exception all the programmes recorded satisfactorily with good Accurate Recording functionality (as has been the case for about 20 recordings on BBC and ITV during the last week). The one exception was Casualty which produced results I've never experienced before. The recording was of the correct duration with correct picture. However, there was no dialogue sound, just occasional commentary voice over describing the action. I'm guessing this is some sort of facility for disabled "viewers" but if it is I don't understand the value of it. If it was an aid for the partially sighted then surely they would want the dialogue? If it was an aid to those with poor hearing then the audio commentary would be of little value to them.

Does anyone know what this is all about.? And more to the point why did my T816 produce a recording in this form and has anyone experienced anything similar.

Colin”

This is Audio Description (AD), a low bit rate mono audio channel which is broadcast alongside the standard audio, for the poor sighted. Some boxes record both channels, selectable in the audio prefs on playback, but always one or the other, instead of blending the two together as it should.

There's only one box I've heard of that makes proper use of it, and that was the Netgem iPlayer, for which the software patch that enabled it was an optional payed for extra.

It looks like your box has somehow managed to flip the 2 channels about. If you still have the recording, you may be able to change the audio channel on playback to get the normal audio. But if it's like my Daewoo, it doesn't record both channels.
Last edited by PTD : 28-10-2007 at 23:20
parthena
28-10-2007
An event recording I set up for BBC Radio4's Columbo programme (Just one more thing, or something like that)at 13.30 today had several glitches in it and totalled 9 minutes instead of 30

(Fortunately was able to 'listen again' on the website, but not until I'd got myself thoroughly confused with unneeded iPod software, silly me.)

parthena
PTD
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by parthena:
“An event recording I set up for BBC Radio4's Columbo programme (Just one more thing, or something like that)at 13.30 today had several glitches in it and totalled 9 minutes instead of 30

(Fortunately was able to 'listen again' on the website, but not until I'd got myself thoroughly confused with unneeded iPod software, silly me.)

parthena”

I didn't think you could do AR with radio. I can't select it on the Daewoo anyway.
creddish
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by PTD:
“This is Audio Description (AD), a low bit rate mono audio channel which is broadcast alongside the standard audio, for the poor sighted. Some boxes record both channels, selectable in the audio prefs on playback, but always one or the other, instead of blending the two together as it should.

There's only one box I've heard of that makes proper use of it, and that was the Netgem iPlayer, for which the software patch that enabled it was an optional payed for extra.

It looks like your box has somehow managed to flip the 2 channels about. If you still have the recording, you may be able to change the audio channel on playback to get the normal audio. But if it's like my Daewoo, it doesn't record both channels.”

Thanks for that, at least I know what it is. The large gaps in the AD audio suggested it was some sort of addition as it appeared to occur during gaps in the speech from the actors. I couldn't see much value in it in casualty though except when it described what one of the characters was thinking . I can't see any means of controlling it either before recording or before playback so I guess it is something the unit decided to do of its own accord.

Anyone else experienced this on the T816 or other PVR.

Colin
parthena
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by PTD:
“I didn't think you could do AR with radio. I can't select it on the Daewoo anyway.”

I presume AR stands for 'something Recording' but can't think what, thicko me

I've recorded the Dickens serial too, it all looks correct at approx one hour for each episode, and Any Questions/Answers both recorded fine, having been set by selecting Record in the Guide.

parthena
bob6982
29-10-2007
I bought an Evesham DTR250 (T816) last week and have been having loads of problems with it. I was getting the live tv freezing issue, but following the advice on this thread, I have managed to stop this.

However, what is as annoying is that live tv stutters every now and again. The sound and picture pauses for less than a second and then resumes. Has anyone else experienced this? In a 30 minute program it can do this 2 or more times. It even does this when the hard drive is not in use.

I do not think it's a signal issue because, if I go into manual tuning, it shows that I have a very good signal for that channel and the bar looks to be around 80-85%. I waited for a minute to see if the signal was fluctuating, but it did not appear to be.

I never had a problem with my old freeview box.

I have asked Evesham for a refund, but if it is not a common issue with the T816, I may ask for a replacement.
creddish
29-10-2007
Originally Posted by parthena:
“I presume AR stands for 'something Recording' but can't think what, thicko me
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It stands for Accurate Recording, one of the wonders of Freeview Playback. . Its what an "Event" recording is supposed to give you. It's great when it works, but a pain when it doesn't.

Colin
chrisy 2001
29-10-2007
Originally Posted by bob6982:
“I bought an Evesham DTR250 (T816) last week and have been having loads of problems with it. I was getting the live tv freezing issue, but following the advice on this thread, I have managed to stop this.

However, what is as annoying is that live tv stutters every now and again. The sound and picture pauses for less than a second and then resumes. Has anyone else experienced this? In a 30 minute program it can do this 2 or more times. It even does this when the hard drive is not in use.

I do not think it's a signal issue because, if I go into manual tuning,.”

My Evesham & Daewoo did this last week on ITV , Thought it was signal problem. It still records all right though even when frozen, very confusing
ARKgeo
29-10-2007
Originally Posted by creddish:
“Following on from my Post #54 I repeated last night (Sat 20 Oct) the same three programmes as last week with similar results. Strictly Come Dancing recorded correctly and exactly at the start of the programme which was about 1 min ahead of scheduled time. So far so good. However, the following programmes, National Lottery failed to record. It seems the man at the BBC1 who presses the Now/Next buttons pops out to the pub on a Saturday evening.

Today (Sunday 21 Oct) revealed something new about this problem or maybe it is a different problem? . At about 12.20pm I set to record, using the Guide, every programme on BBC1 between 1.45pm (Diagnosis Murder 1.45pm - 3.10pm) and Strictly Come Dancing (6.50pm - 7.35pm). I went out to lunch and returned at about 3.30pm. At this point Diagnosis Murder should have finished recording and Eastenders (3.10pm - 5.05pm) should have started recording. However, neither of these were in the Library so has obviously not recorded. However, both were still showing in the Timers list and with Red bars in the Guide. I then noticed on exiting to live TV that the Now/Next info for ALL channels was showing programmes that were current at the time I set up the recordings i.e. around 12.30pm. So I assume that as the Now/Next info had not been updated this was the reason the recordings had not started. I put the box in and out of standby but the Now/Next info remained at around 12.30pm. Power cycling restored correct operation. From then on, although I have not yet looked in detail at the recordings they appear to be OK. I can't say whether the "freezing" of the Now/Next info was as a result of my actions whilst setting the recordings or just coincidence that it occurred at around the same time. Has any one else had anything like this? If so is there any preventative action? Maybe the suggestion by BongMong of doing a standby cycle after using Search would help in this case. All a bit worrying. I'm now a bit anxious each time I set something to record wondering if it's going to work or not. I've even taken to recording important programmes on my Tevion as a backup

Colin”

Hi Colin,

I've now had a Saturday bug of my own! I had left the ONN (v3.7) machine powered up, not in standby, with NO timers set. Yesterday morning I discovered it had frozen at precisely 4.30p.m. - I know that because the ITV news titles were still on the screen. I tried switching to other channels which of course were all blank, with Now/Next status set to around 4-5p.m. on Saturday. I tried a standby cycle, but that didn't clear it and had to resort to powering off/on to fix it.

I've also had another odd bug on Friday, when I set two timers from the EPG for successive half-hour programmes on BBC2. When I looked at the machine two hours later, both were still recording! I had to stop them both manually. I haven't seen anyone else reporting this, but I may have missed it.

Just as I thought I'd discovered the perfect PVR! Oh well

Richard
parthena
29-10-2007
Originally Posted by ARKgeo:
“I've also had another odd bug on Friday, when I set two timers from the EPG for successive half-hour programmes on BBC2. When I looked at the machine two hours later, both were still recording! I had to stop them both manually. I haven't seen anyone else reporting this, but I may have missed it.”

Apparently, that's a feature of Freeview Playback, where it continues to record for about 3 hours if the end-of-programme signal is not received.

I think!

parthena
bob6982
29-10-2007
Thanks Chrisy,

Originally Posted by chrisy 2001:
“My Evesham & Daewoo did this last week on ITV , Thought it was signal problem. It still records all right though even when frozen, very confusing”

It sounds like it isn't just my box that is experiencing this issue then. I've e-mailed both Evesham and Vestel regarding a new firmware version, but I have not had any response yet. I will send it back for a refund if I don't get a reply.

My box was freezing the picture, but putting it on standby helped this. The stuttering is almost as annoying though.

I've experienced the stuttering on the majority of channels, but especially BBC1 and BBC2. We mainly watch these channels anyway so may have noticed it more.

It's a shame, because if all the features worked properly then the box would be great.
PTD
29-10-2007
Originally Posted by parthena:
“I presume AR stands for 'something Recording' but can't think what, thicko me

...

parthena”

Originally Posted by creddish:
“It stands for Accurate Recording, one of the wonders of Freeview Playback. . Its what an "Event" recording is supposed to give you. It's great when it works, but a pain when it doesn't.

Colin”

Sorry, my fault; different threads favour different descriptions and I sometimes forget which thread I'm in. Also known as Digital PDC, but not popularly.
Last edited by PTD : 29-10-2007 at 14:27
ARKgeo
29-10-2007
Originally Posted by parthena:
“Apparently, that's a feature of Freeview Playback, where it continues to record for about 3 hours if the end-of-programme signal is not received.

I think!

parthena”

Aha! Thanks-I suppose it's better than cutting them short
parthena
29-10-2007
Originally Posted by PTD:
“Sorry, my fault;”

No, I should have remembered.

parthena
chrisy 2001
29-10-2007
Originally Posted by bob6982:
“Thanks Chrisy,



It sounds like it isn't just my box that is experiencing this issue then. I've e-mailed both Evesham and Vestel regarding a new firmware version, but I have not had any response yet. I will send it back for a refund if I don't get a reply.

My box was freezing the picture, but putting it on standby helped this. The stuttering is almost as annoying though.

I've experienced the stuttering on the majority of channels, but especially BBC1 and BBC2. We mainly watch these channels anyway so may have noticed it more.

It's a shame, because if all the features worked properly then the box would be great.”

I don't watch live TV very often so it is not a problem, Just pres record & watch it from the library .
TallyHo77
04-11-2007
Originally Posted by chrisy 2001:
“I don't watch live TV very often so it is not a problem, Just pres record & watch it from the library .”

I seem to be having the opposite problem! If I'm just watching live tv then the picture is fine (it very rarely stutters etc) but if it's recording it stutters ridiculously - like every couple of seconds AND the recording is full of skips too, so recording and then watching the recording (a few seconds behind live) is unwatchable. The had disk is less than half full and this is quite a new problem - have had this pvr (Wharfedale 250DTR) for a couple of months and it worked pretty well up to now.
Grannygrunt
04-11-2007
Hi I know that this thread is really about bugs, but I am interested in buying the Wharfedale 250DTRHDMI but it looks like Argos don't have any in stock and when you use the stock enquiries it is stating that this model is from an older catalogue? yet its in the Autumn/'Winter catalogue as NEW??

Can anyone tell me where else this PVR might be available from can't find much out on the Internet.

GG
chrisy 2001
05-11-2007
Originally Posted by Grannygrunt:
“Hi I know that this thread is really about bugs, but I am interested in buying the Wharfedale 250DTRHDMI but it looks like Argos don't have any in stock and when you use the stock enquiries it is stating that this model is from an older catalogue? yet its in the Autumn/'Winter catalogue as NEW??

Can anyone tell me where else this PVR might be available from can't find much out on the Internet.

GG”

Try hear, or Asda http://www.evesham.com/products/info...D-5CC112701BC5
Just noticed the HDMI in your post that version is not available yet.
chrisy 2001
05-11-2007
Originally Posted by TallyHo77:
“I seem to be having the opposite problem! If I'm just watching live tv then the picture is fine (it very rarely stutters etc) but if it's recording it stutters ridiculously - like every couple of seconds AND the recording is full of skips too, so recording and then watching the recording (a few seconds behind live) is unwatchable. The had disk is less than half full and this is quite a new problem - have had this pvr (Wharfedale 250DTR) for a couple of months and it worked pretty well up to now.”

Had similar problem withe Digholme , Just puled plug a couple of times and it went away .
TallyHo77
05-11-2007
Originally Posted by chrisy 2001:
“Had similar problem withe Digholme , Just puled plug a couple of times and it went away .”

Do you mean unplug it from the mains? Or do any other sort of thing from the menus on the PVR? I'm going to try unplugging it a couple of times and see if my recordings improve tomorrow.
The signal is pretty strong and live TV works fine, so this skipping in recordings is getting v annoying!! Would love to be able to fix it!
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