LCD Display Resolution Question!

jakx · 08-08-2007, 13:54

Seriously considering Sony KDL-40D3000 - am a bit confused (ignorant) about the display resolution of 1366 x 768?

Some of the (more expensive) Sony's have 1920 x 1080.

Where does the D3000's listed '1080p' come into any comparison?

iDan · 08-08-2007, 14:40

For a TV to be 'Full HD' ready, it needs to have a 1920 x 1080 panel capable of displaying a progressive signal.

The D series in question isn't "Full HD" or "1080p" capable, it is most likely 1080p "compatible", this means it can take a 1080p signal and downscale it to fit it's native resolution.

Only the W and X series are 1080p ready.

jakx · 08-08-2007, 15:42

Many thanks ...

Nigel Goodwin · 08-08-2007, 16:58

If you're thinking of spending money?, you might try comparing the two sets side by side on the same signal, both SD and HD - the difference isn't that great, and you may not consider it worth the price premium? (I don't!).

Kojack · 08-08-2007, 17:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

If you're thinking of spending money?, you might try comparing the two sets side by side on the same signal, both SD and HD - the difference isn't that great, and you may not consider it worth the price premium? (I don't!).

So true, ive read a lot of the same thing (avforums)as well you need 50"or more to notice any real difference

jakx · 08-08-2007, 17:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

If you're thinking of spending money?, you might try comparing the two sets side by side on the same signal, both SD and HD - the difference isn't that great, and you may not consider it worth the price premium? (I don't!).

Not sure how I interpret that Nigel, more to the point perhaps - after spending around £850 how will the KDL-40D3000 actually compare to my current 1999 Trinitron KV-32FX60U?

or

PS: I don't have Sky!

jakx · 08-08-2007, 18:04

Incidently, the Trinitron cost me more than £1000 back at the end of the last Century!

Nigel Goodwin · 08-08-2007, 21:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kojack

So true, ive read a lot of the same thing (avforums)as well you need 50"or more to notice any real difference

That's a load of rubbish! - size makes no difference, it's only viewing distance relative to size that makes a difference. A 25 inch viewed at 50 inches distance, and a 50 inch viewed at 100 inches (both the sort of values that you need for HD) would look the same.

Nigel Goodwin · 08-08-2007, 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakx

Not sure how I interpret that Nigel, more to the point perhaps - after spending around £850 how will the KDL-40D3000 actually compare to my current 1999 Trinitron KV-32FX60U?

or

If you are in a Freeview enabled area it wil probably be better? - they look pretty damn good on the inbuilt Freeview - it really shows the analogue picture up though!.

Delivered a KDL46S2510 this afternoon to replace a KV36, and it was better than the 36 CRT.

Like you say, far bigger LCD's are cheaper than the big CRT's were! - and a hell of a lot lighter!.

jakx · 08-08-2007, 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

. . . far bigger LCD's are cheaper than the big CRT's were! - and a hell of a lot lighter!.

Similar scenario when updating an older bathroom, those elderly cast-iron baths - I had to smash a 1930's example into smaller lighter pieces to get it out of the house some years ago!

Perhaps I'll have to consider breaking the old KV-32FX60U up to make it more transportable ?

Nigel, we do have Freeview, but I'm hoping the KDL-40D3000 will be a noticeable improvement over an already pretty good picture - and possibly a bit better even than the KDL-46S2510 you refer to!

Nigel Goodwin · 08-08-2007, 23:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakx

Nigel, we do have Freeview, but I'm hoping the KDL-40D3000 will be a noticeable improvement over an already pretty good picture - and possibly a bit better even than the KDL-46S2510 you refer to!

The main difference is apparently "Live Colour Creation"?, I don't know if you will spot any difference or not?. I certainly don't notice any outstanding differences in the shop!.

jakx · 08-08-2007, 23:38

Nigel, do you mean not see much difference between the likes of my 1999 CRT, the KDL-40D3000 and KDL-46S2510 or all three?

For instance, surely the 40D3000 should have a better picture/performance than the Sony CTR ... I've read that some of these latest LCD Sony Bravia's are now about as good as the plasma sets! ?

I wouldn't be too keen on replacing my old Sony solely because of its bulk - fore and aft ...

TallDave · 09-08-2007, 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telly_Man

For a TV to be 'Full HD' ready, it needs to have a 1920 x 1080 panel capable of displaying a progressive signal.

Who says?

Unlike the HD Ready logo scheme managed by EICTA, there is no equivalent "logo" for full HD.

If your statement is taken literlally, a TV with a display panel resolution of greater than 1920 by 1080 could not claim to be Full HD. Illogical, surely?

Similarly, a TV that accepts 576p or 720p signals is capable of displaying a progressive signal - but it can't handle 1080p.

iDan · 09-08-2007, 18:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by TallDave

Who says?

Unlike the HD Ready logo scheme managed by EICTA, there is no equivalent "logo" for full HD.

If your statement is taken literlally, a TV with a display panel resolution of greater than 1920 by 1080 could not claim to be Full HD. Illogical, surely?

Similarly, a TV that accepts 576p or 720p signals is capable of displaying a progressive signal - but it can't handle 1080p.

Sorry, should have included the words 'minimum of'.

Nigel Goodwin · 09-08-2007, 22:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakx

Nigel, do you mean not see much difference between the likes of my 1999 CRT, the KDL-40D3000 and KDL-46S2510 or all three?

I meant the two LCD's, but on Freeview they will probably better your CRT.

Quote:

For instance, surely the 40D3000 should have a better picture/performance than the Sony CTR ... I've read that some of these latest LCD Sony Bravia's are now about as good as the plasma sets! ?

They always have been - there's very little difference between Plasma and LCD.

08-08-2007, 13:54	#1
jakx Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 265	LCD Display Resolution Question! Seriously considering Sony KDL-40D3000 - am a bit confused (ignorant) about the display resolution of 1366 x 768? Some of the (more expensive) Sony's have 1920 x 1080. Where does the D3000's listed '1080p' come into any comparison?

08-08-2007, 14:40	#2
iDan Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,812	For a TV to be 'Full HD' ready, it needs to have a 1920 x 1080 panel capable of displaying a progressive signal. The D series in question isn't "Full HD" or "1080p" capable, it is most likely 1080p "compatible", this means it can take a 1080p signal and downscale it to fit it's native resolution. Only the W and X series are 1080p ready.

08-08-2007, 15:42	#3
jakx Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 265	Many thanks ...

08-08-2007, 16:58	#4
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	If you're thinking of spending money?, you might try comparing the two sets side by side on the same signal, both SD and HD - the difference isn't that great, and you may not consider it worth the price premium? (I don't!).

08-08-2007, 17:49	#5
Kojack Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Pomgolia Posts: 1,162	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin If you're thinking of spending money?, you might try comparing the two sets side by side on the same signal, both SD and HD - the difference isn't that great, and you may not consider it worth the price premium? (I don't!). So true, ive read a lot of the same thing (avforums)as well you need 50"or more to notice any real difference

08-08-2007, 17:59	#6
jakx Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 265	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin If you're thinking of spending money?, you might try comparing the two sets side by side on the same signal, both SD and HD - the difference isn't that great, and you may not consider it worth the price premium? (I don't!). Not sure how I interpret that Nigel, more to the point perhaps - after spending around £850 how will the KDL-40D3000 actually compare to my current 1999 Trinitron KV-32FX60U? or PS: I don't have Sky!

08-08-2007, 18:04	#7
jakx Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 265	Incidently, the Trinitron cost me more than £1000 back at the end of the last Century!

08-08-2007, 21:26	#8
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by Kojack So true, ive read a lot of the same thing (avforums)as well you need 50"or more to notice any real difference That's a load of rubbish! - size makes no difference, it's only viewing distance relative to size that makes a difference. A 25 inch viewed at 50 inches distance, and a 50 inch viewed at 100 inches (both the sort of values that you need for HD) would look the same.

08-08-2007, 21:29	#9
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by jakx Not sure how I interpret that Nigel, more to the point perhaps - after spending around £850 how will the KDL-40D3000 actually compare to my current 1999 Trinitron KV-32FX60U? or If you are in a Freeview enabled area it wil probably be better? - they look pretty damn good on the inbuilt Freeview - it really shows the analogue picture up though!. Delivered a KDL46S2510 this afternoon to replace a KV36, and it was better than the 36 CRT. Like you say, far bigger LCD's are cheaper than the big CRT's were! - and a hell of a lot lighter!.

08-08-2007, 22:54	#10
jakx Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 265	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin . . . far bigger LCD's are cheaper than the big CRT's were! - and a hell of a lot lighter!. Similar scenario when updating an older bathroom, those elderly cast-iron baths - I had to smash a 1930's example into smaller lighter pieces to get it out of the house some years ago! Perhaps I'll have to consider breaking the old KV-32FX60U up to make it more transportable ? Nigel, we do have Freeview, but I'm hoping the KDL-40D3000 will be a noticeable improvement over an already pretty good picture - and possibly a bit better even than the KDL-46S2510 you refer to!

08-08-2007, 23:23	#11
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by jakx Nigel, we do have Freeview, but I'm hoping the KDL-40D3000 will be a noticeable improvement over an already pretty good picture - and possibly a bit better even than the KDL-46S2510 you refer to! The main difference is apparently "Live Colour Creation"?, I don't know if you will spot any difference or not?. I certainly don't notice any outstanding differences in the shop!.

08-08-2007, 23:38	#12
jakx Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 265	Nigel, do you mean not see much difference between the likes of my 1999 CRT, the KDL-40D3000 and KDL-46S2510 or all three? For instance, surely the 40D3000 should have a better picture/performance than the Sony CTR ... I've read that some of these latest LCD Sony Bravia's are now about as good as the plasma sets! ? I wouldn't be too keen on replacing my old Sony solely because of its bulk - fore and aft ...

09-08-2007, 10:48	#13
TallDave Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: West Sussex, UK (Midhurst/CP) Posts: 585	Quote: Originally Posted by Telly_Man For a TV to be 'Full HD' ready, it needs to have a 1920 x 1080 panel capable of displaying a progressive signal. Who says? Unlike the HD Ready logo scheme managed by EICTA, there is no equivalent "logo" for full HD. If your statement is taken literlally, a TV with a display panel resolution of greater than 1920 by 1080 could not claim to be Full HD. Illogical, surely? Similarly, a TV that accepts 576p or 720p signals is capable of displaying a progressive signal - but it can't handle 1080p.

09-08-2007, 18:45	#14
iDan Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,812	Quote: Originally Posted by TallDave Who says? Unlike the HD Ready logo scheme managed by EICTA, there is no equivalent "logo" for full HD. If your statement is taken literlally, a TV with a display panel resolution of greater than 1920 by 1080 could not claim to be Full HD. Illogical, surely? Similarly, a TV that accepts 576p or 720p signals is capable of displaying a progressive signal - but it can't handle 1080p. Sorry, should have included the words 'minimum of'.

09-08-2007, 22:02	#15
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by jakx Nigel, do you mean not see much difference between the likes of my 1999 CRT, the KDL-40D3000 and KDL-46S2510 or all three? I meant the two LCD's, but on Freeview they will probably better your CRT. Quote: For instance, surely the 40D3000 should have a better picture/performance than the Sony CTR ... I've read that some of these latest LCD Sony Bravia's are now about as good as the plasma sets! ? They always have been - there's very little difference between Plasma and LCD.

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