Tania seemed to want to appear posh on her clip before she went into the house - but has never seemed posh since she's been in there. I'd so she's LOWER-middle class, the most common bracket of people.

But she's from Willesden or somewhere. I don't think she's so much a sloane as a wannabe sloane, to be honest. It's interesting that people see her as posh when she clearly isn't. She's sort of creating her own fictional persona, which is one of the reasons that I really don't like her.

Which is one of the reasons why I liken her to Sada, who was also a great wannabe. A young woman who reinvented herself through New Age spirituality, who, despite espousing alternative lifestyles and beliefs, was ultimately a mediocrity who didn't really fit into the BB house in the first series. I see quite a few parallels between Sada and Tania.

Oooh! Explain more. I need to go to bed, but I'll enjoy reading it in the morning!

Common as in most occurring or common as in "Jade" common? Tania is one of those girls you see all round the place, you couldn't specifically place them in an income-bracket by just looking at them, they always wear lots of make-up, hang around with lots of other girls like them, always must be seen with the best looking guys in the fanciest cars.
It occured to me that if someone had said "one of the BB4 girls is a footballer's wife" I would automatically pick Tania, Steph just doesn't seem like that. Of course I am basing my opinion on the stereotypical ITV1 Footballer's Wives image, I've never met a real life one, so I don't know what they are like!
Anyway, she does seem to me to be a typical IT girl, very interested in using BB as a way to further her fame. I could be very wrong about her though, and I have to say, she wasn't drawn by Anoushka Mk1 on the whole putting Jon down thing, which whether or not it was because she didn't like Anu, gave me a bit of hope for her. ATM she doesn't seem like a winner to me though, out of all of them I can't really pick out any winners (I know who I'd like to win but thats different), possibly Nush or Ray (assuming these two don't have any dark sides to them, which with Nush ppl have been suggesting a lot, I just don't think it, she just is that type of flowery fun girl that some will love, some will hate).

Basically I feel that both women are rather shallow, false and pretentious. There's an air of cultivated artificiality about both of them. Both are attention seekers. Tania wants to be seen as a sophisticated media player but she's really a down to earth person at heart. Sada wanted to seen as ethereal and spiritual but she came across as a middle-class girl who was rather too used to getting her own way.

Both Sada and Tania have formed alliances with the other girls in the house. Tania seems to bonding well with Sissy, and a gender divide seems to be beginning. Sada hit it off with Caroline and Nichola, orchestrating the boy vs. girl divide in the first few weeks of BB1.

For all that, Tania does come across a bit more ordinary and likeable than Sada. She's a sensible grounded girl, whereas part of Sada's entertainment value was seeing her pompous, self-obsessed "we are one with the goddess" bubble comprehensively burst during her time in the house. They share basic "character traits" in the BB house, but their individual personalities are very different.
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I never saw BB1 so don't know Sada as a comparison to Tania, but I agree with posters that Tania is a wannabe IT girl. Having said that, in going on BB, everyone (and this has to include the quasi-deified Jon Tickle) is a bit of a wannabe; this is not such a crime, and without which, there would be no show.

What alarms me about reactions to Tania, is this instant assumption that she is a bitch, or about to be .... In truth, the 'bitchiest' so far has been Cameron and the glorious Anouska (missed SO badly ...) And even then, BB needs bitches - this is not a house of moral rectitiude, although judging by the comments on this forum, most especially of the 'Anouska is a slapper' and doesn't wear a bra (tut tut) mould, we are fast returning to Victorian morality (aka hypocrisy).

Neo-conservatism has hit the mainstream.

Just out of curiosity, what is an IT girl?

Tara Palmer-Tompkinson's an It girl, if that helps at all.

Thanks, I get the picture now. Is the "IT" an acronym for an expression or is it the word "it"?

It's just the word 'It', AFAIK. I think it's a hangover from the days when girls were described as having 'It' when people really meant sex appeal, but couldn't say so.

Excellent work this morning folks - some interesting points made. Last night there was a very clear gender divide emerging and that could be very interesting come nominations with noone (bar of course Jon) crying out to be nominated. I am reassessing my supposition that Cameron or Fed would face Jon this time - it begins to look a little more like Justine. If so then Jon would survive, the girls would be down to 4 and a 'bunker' mentality could emerge. Again the resemblance to BB1 would be clear.

Oh and Steph is a footballer's ex-wife, those two letters make all the difference!

So now we can can watch for both gender voting and to see whether my theory holds up. Don't you just love the first proper nominations

You missed out 'soon-to-be', which also makes all the difference.

Move to Grimsby?!??! You must be joking!

BBG

"It" of course referring to the type of girl who is famous for really not actually doing anything to be famous. Tara was an IT girl but I suppose now she's actually famous for something she's just C-list celebrity now.

Just out of definition and examination of the "stereotypes" which the people in the house are displaying, I think you can fairly accurately predict who will get along, and who won't.

Beware sole opinions expressed below!

Tania - she seems to me to be on a quest to become a celebrity. She is doing very little to try and annoy anyone, and at the same time, not trying to create a fuss by doing something Jade-like and becoming synonymous with strangeness and desperation (or drunkeness). She will very likely try and get on with at least one girl, but she seems to not want to get involved in any way with any males. Some may mark her down as a slapper because of her looks, but I don't think thats in any way true, she's probably far too fussy for that! I haven't really acknowledged or followed her too much because I'm too distracted by Nush, Jon, Justine and Cameron. From what I've seen I would say that she will bond lightly with perhaps Sissy, but not get to close to Justine or Steph. Nush seems to be her anti-thesis and I can't see any form of good relationship forming between them. Mind you this is BB so the weird usually does happen.

Anybody else think that we are going to see some people's real "face" when they make their nominations? They know that none of the other housemates will see it, so this could be the time where we see how the bondings are going to be structured. Even if they give a tame reason for nominating, WHO they nominate will still be important and will show us something.

Oh and....bump!

Yeah I did know, but I think the point is valid nonetheless. Maybe I'm just too prejudgemental but I really would have said that Tania would be the Footballer's Ex-wife. Anybody else share that feeling?

My point on the ex-wife was just that anyone can make mistakes! I thought she said she'd 'gone through' a divorce - if its not completed then I bow to the superior knowledge of our esteemed ex-UN colleague

This is indeed a great thread. I think BB4 is terrific viewing now that some key personalities have been established and several of the housemates who've yet to come out of their shells are showing plenty of promise.

Jon and Federico have emerged as the two most proactive standout personalities in the house. Jon is now a cult figure and I think Fed will have the spotlight this week.

Several of the others are pretty non-plussed by Fed's behaviour, esp. his misogyny. Nush, Steph and Tania have all taken exception to his brand of humour - Jon and Cameron may be quietly unimpressed. For all his attempts to come across as a cool comedian, Fed has been digging his own grave as far as nominations are concerned. He's nowhere near as savvy as he would like to think he is.

A bunker mentality will emerge this week as I feel the women will begin to present a strong united front by almost unaminously voting Fed. Fed's only true allies seem to be Ray and Scott. Jon, Cameron and Gos are wildcards and you don't know who they might vote for. Only Steph, for instance, would seem to be free from Cameron's vote.

Basically, for whatever popularity he may have accrued outside the house, Fed's in a precarious position in the group dynamic. He's become isolated without realising it. His pal Anouska is gone, Ray is thinking of walking, Scott is his only real ally and I don't think Scott is all that laddish. Fed seriously needs to backtrack, concentrate on getting the task right and hopefully forge some strong alliances. This coming week is of crucial importance to Fed's chances of survival in the house.

Does anyone else that the women might just be calling the shots nominations wise if a gender divide commences in earnest??

The men are too divided to come together as a powerful group.

If the guys vote for girls then its 6-5 and a girl will be up against Jon. However, it is rarely that simple is it...

Of course it could be that Jon escapes nomination - if that happens then I'll give up predictions (well for five minutes at least...)

Ben - I think you have a point on Fed, a very well thought out contribution. Is that dream clash between Fed and Jon on the cards...

I hope Fed vs Jon happens... it will be very like Paul vs Bubble and Spencer vs Alex. I think the person they don't expect to stay, will stay... always shakes things up a bit, the battle of the alpha male...

But yeah, I think that the first nominations MIGHT be a reverse of what happened in Series 1 of Big Brother, with all the girls going for the same 2 blokes or something, and all the blokes going for girls, but a complete mixture of different girls... That would be remarkable if that happened WITHOUT the girls conferring with one another though - it would imply a real unity of opinions and a real chance that the girls would take control again.

This is what I find intriguing. If the girls get their act together, they can come out on top. There might even be a female winner. In terms of strategic voting, if the women pool their collective resources, they can become pretty powerful. If Jon, Cameron, Gos, Fed and Scott create some sort of co-operative relationship then it'll be a pretty artificial one. The girls will form stronger bonds and will have a psychological advantage.

After the nastiness of BB3, it'll be good to see some sisterhood come to the fore. As I recall, Mel and Anna formed a successful alliance towards the end of BB1. In the penultimate week, they almost totally emasculated Darren and Craig.

Yes, it might even happen as soon as this Friday. The women may very well be voting for it to happen.

This is why I hope someone like Justine will be up for eviction and she'll go out.

When Spencer and Alex went head to head and Spencer left, I remember thinking there wasn't much point in watching BB3 as Alex appeared to have a clear run. Then Jade, Adele and Tim became housemates we love to hate and there were more twists and turns in the narrative.

If Jon and Fed survive eviction this week, I think that both will be in there for the duration. But the possibility of the girls forming a powerful splinter group should not be underestimated.

Does anyone else think that this Cubs task could really be helping Jon - he's proving his value to the group there. The inverse of course being true for Fed - no sign of him stepping up as might be expected after single-handedly blowing the first task.

This is a year when very little things will get you up for the vote in a hurry - or keep you safe from the vote for a few weeks. I can't remember a BB that was more open both in terms of who will be up and who might win it. For me that makes for fascinating viewing...

I can't see this as a dream clash, because to my mind, Fed and Jon are marginally more interesting/controversial characters than most of the others, even if they are not to everyone's taste.

Frankly, for me, this BB is almost becoming fascinating in its total dullness, a bit like watching a car crash in slow motion. From that viewpoint, maybe this 'clash' would be amusing in that it would further reward anonymity and conformity yet again, leaving BB producers with a well-deserved headache for weeks on end (they deserve it after such an ill-judged first impression nomination process which punished characters who dare to stand out from the crowd ....) Perhaps BB always reflects the reality of the outside world. Maybe we are becoming more conservative, paranoid of difference, hypocritical and bland as a society. There seems to be an awful lot of TV programming telling people how to behave at the moment, for instance.