Time to start a thread on Cameron Stout.
I have noted some of my concerns about Appleman in my latest column. I hold to the belief that cameron has hidden depths.

Q. One really odd thing is why would such a controlling personality wish to put himself into the position of being quite the submissive ?

Q. Why would someone who comes from such a conservative background put themselves on what is a mainstream TV show ?

Since Cameron did'nt get put up for the vote this week, he must be feeling quite confident though, but next week i believe he is going to attract 4 votes.

Day 13, how do you all feel about Cameron so far ?

Calrissian : Day 13.... making progress.

Well we've been over this ground in other threads, but I'll summarise my view briefly.

I find him intriguing because he is the housemate that is being least revealing about himself. In contrast to his slightly naive image, he is probably the most travelled, most worldy-wise person in the house. I suspect he could also give Jon a run for his money in the intelligence stakes. The question is why is he hiding all this and what is his game plan.

Hallo Calrissian. Loved lurking and reading the assessments last year. I am probably too eager to join in this year, but here goes nothing

So.....

Q. Why would someone who comes from such a conservative background put themselves on what is a mainstream TV show ?

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As soon as he arrived outside the house on the opening Friday night, my sister and I recognised the man who would later turn out to be his younger brother, Julian (sp?) He has turned up as a presenter on several Scottish youth television programmes. Same background, pursuing a mainstream media career.

Personally, I think Cameron comes across as a bit of an 'old woman', and that his impatience and pernickitiness is redolent on occasion of both my father and grandfather, both Scottish (one from near Elgin in the north of Scotland). Therefore, to me (imho and all that) some of his personality traits are more typical of the culture i which he grew up than peculiar to this man alone.

I readily admit that his motivation for applying for Big Brother is not immediately clear! But then, I find it perplexing that anybody with a modicum of awareness of the cynical machinations of the producers of this programme would be willing to take part in it. (I love watching it, though?!!)

Did you read the article written by Cameron's brother in the online version of one of the Scottish local rags? (i will try and find the link, which was in someone's earlier posting, if you haven't) An interesting point was that Cameron has recently
lost weight, and perhaps some of his fidgeting (apples) and mannerisms look like somone still selfconscious about their excess weight. Purely supposition on my part, though!

I know it is late and that my points are disjointed and probably nonsensical! Good luck deciphering my response


-tosca

Cameron does remind me of someone from a conservative background who has travelled, but never really let it change or colour his already formed point of view on life... as time goes by i think he'll begin to lose his patience at the "younger" people in the house (like Sandy last year) and how there not doing things the way HE thinks they should be done...

He seems older than his years and to have in some ways stepped out of the pages of "Goodbye Mr.Chips" i could see him in the gown and hat, muttering "Those housemates where did they put me apple"

But still for the time being anyway he's nice guy

I didn't like what he said in the Diary room about certain people saying certain things about other people. I thought it was quite sneaky to go in the Diary room and distance yourself, quite deliberately like that.
Girlie xx

One question: I'm sure I have read and heard from a couple of sources that this is the first time Cam has left Orkney. I'm willing to be proved wrong, but if I'm right, what else could make him give that "worldly-wise, well-travelled" impression?

I thought he went to a camp in America?

I hate him...hate him...do you hear me.....I hate him.....Mesostim crush.......The weasley, hypocritical worm of a man......

No - he's lived in Spain for a year teaching kids English and French, taught kids how to build rockets at a US summer camp, spends a lot of time in New York, and went to Uni in Edinburgh. This is *not* the first time he's left Orkney.

Bob

He's a strange one to figure out ...

He appears to be a very nice, intelligent, kind hearted soul (deffinately a bit of an "Old Woman") Yet most of us are suspecting he has a somewhat coniving side and a possible air of 'Nasty Nick' about him.

Did anybody see his audition tape? - Was that his room at his parents house?

Perhaps he is just one of those frustrated 32 year old men who cannot move away from home without ending up back there having nothing to show for himself?

Jon, one morning was explaining how he was buying a house with a friend for 250,000 pounds (sorry no pound sign on my yanky keyboard) and Cameron's ears did prick at that and he wasnt very impressed for the rest of the conversation.

Im staying with my initial thoughts in that Cameron is a very mannerable young man until someone really gets to know him. (He can explode with the best of them!)

Spoilt, Doesn't see a way out of his quiet Orkney existence, Frustrated yet content but living in his brother's shadow most of the time.

He seems to have had a very sheltered upbringing (Bar his 2 trips to camp America EDIT: plus his other travels) Although he's not the average 32 year old male (bit of an ld Woman") he does know how to adapt to different people nonetheless.

Cameron is very intelligent and I dont disagree about him giving Jon a run for his money but I do believe he is playing a game as he is deffinately not giving away much about himself at all. Sitting on the side lines allowing everyone to spill their guts is working for him so far but I could see him being a part of an alliance in the coming weeks and potentially being a ring leader as far as removing people from his clique and making sure they pack their bags as a result

Not saying he's a bad person but I do believe he has come into this house to play a game ... and play a game he will.

What I dont understand is these HMS never play strategically. Surely Ousting 'NICE' people such as Nush and Steph would make more sence. Those are the kind of people you dont want to be up against in the final!

Never mind who they dont feel a bond with! They need to Drop the Nice people and Keep the trash!!! ($$ChaChing!$$)

And how can you forget the tale of his time in Burundi ( some folk were confused about the geographical location) and the exploding hippo?

I think the diary room incident where he accused Jon of trying to influence his noms was very telling. I think he is trying to pick off who he thinks are the weakest HMs. I reckon he is playing a smart game. He is not opening up too much hence he is not really bringing much scrutiny on his character but he is making sure he is involved in the group discussions so as not to appear unfriendly or aloof. I could see him making the last 4. I personally find him very boring but as others have noted I reckon he has the potential to errupt if he is pushed too far.

He was at Uni in Edinburgh for 4 years. He has lived and worked in France and spain , He has done camp America and then travelled across America. SO i think it is safe to say he has left Orkney before .

Thanks for another interesting thread, Cal.

I was quite surprised when Cameron nominated Jon this week and have given a bit of thought as to why.

I think maybe Cam feels that Jon has inadvertently usurped or threatened the role that Cam had planned for himself within the house.
He must have known that he would be different to the kind of people he would be in the house with, the club-rep types, and had planned out his role quite carefully as a more benign version of Sandy - without his fellow Scot's complaining and aloofness. He wants to stand out as different and yet still blend carefully (and subversively?) into the house.

Jon's presence may have thrown the proverbial spanner into the works. Here he is faced with a guy who stand out even more than he does, is threateningly intelligent and who also displays some leadership qualities. Jon's fearsome logic may threaten too, as it is a powerful weapon against 'illogical' religious and conservative beliefs.

So, thinking back, was it Cameron who first started the eye-rolling during one of Jon's monologs? When Cam came running to the Diary Room after Jon dared to openly criticize a housemate, it wasn't BB he was really talking to in there, it was us.
I strongly suspect that Cameron desperately wants Jon out of the way so that he can settle more comfortably into his chosen role as the silent assassin masquerading as the benign innocent abroad.

Cameron's family connections within the media world are interesting too. The TV world in this country is quite a small one where everybody knows or knows someone who knows, everybody else. It is also extraordinarily incestuous. Siblings or offspring of successful TV people can stroll into cushy jobs that outsiders would have to work their way up to the hard way.
Some more information about Cameron's connections within the industry would be useful. I'm not necessarily suggesting they played any part in his becoming a BB contestant, but they point to his being a lot more media-savy than the bumbling yokel he is currently trying to portray.

My theory on why Cameron is in the house:-

Cameron became a fundamentalist Christian last year. His main aim in life is therefore to spread his religious beliefs. If he becomes a reasonably successful BB HM (or even better, wins) he will (in his own opinion) be in a brilliant position to promote his religion to young people by associating it with the "cool" of BB. With him media connections, a role in religious broadcasting beckons.

Could nominating Jon be a response to Jon calling the book of revelations a laugh?

If Cameron can scrape it to the last night of BB, then he stands a fair chance of winning. Picking up the 'momsie# votes.

I do sense a deeply attitudinal person in cameron, even in his audition tape he states totally clear that his opinion "...is VERY VERY important".

RE: revelations , man i would love to have the audio clip of that , any one got it ?

Calrissian : "Houston.... Turmoil in BB house in T-56hrs, 45mins, Mark".

Interesting that a lot of my thoughts have been echoed already in the posts above.

I actually find Cameron very very difficult to analyse, he is easily the hardest person in the house to pigeon hole and actually state what his personality and/or game plan is.

At first I thought he was a bit withdrawn in how much he revealed about himself as a bit of a strategy. Get to know the other people in the house very well and then work out how they would cope with hearing stories about your past. E.g. if he is very religious, he is going to want to know abouts HM's thoughts on religion before he says anything. In essence it is a bit of a defence strategy, don't say anything personal to anyone that is going to disagree with you and avoid upset.

Then I went through a stage of thinking that he was generally that naive, his entire body language when the girls were talking about periods etc really made it seem as if he had not been in a situation like that before with girls that talked about all and sundry.

Then the spanner was thrown into the works with (and I agree with Wooster here) him running to the diary room just to make sure that we all saw the fact that Jon had been saying things about another housemate. He wasn't uncomfortable he was just trying to be teachers pet and tell tales, playing the game to the best effect????

I do think that he sees Jon as his major competition and is subtly trying to get him out of the way to try and take over his role (brainy brother???!), and I think that it is at this point that we will start to see the real persona behind the cammie enigma!!

Chip

CAMERON WILL NOT WIN BB4

Did anyone see the psychologist on RISE today? She said she was concerned also with Cameron, and feels he has a dark evil side to him waiting to explode.

does anyone at all watch RISE ?

Cameron is Ned Flanders. And just as Neddy was shown to have been several coupons short of a toaster in his earlier days before finding God, so it could be with Cameron. Anyone who smiles as much as he does has to be somewhat suspect.

He has real problems in revealing anything about himself? Why? Probably because he KNOWS he will go down in the estimations of BB viewers if he does.

Maybe he's reserved by nature?

(devils advocate here, I can't stand the bloke either )

He probably is. I am reserved by nature too, but the difference with Cameron is he is refusing steadfastly to be drawn into any conversation about anything which could be misconstrued by the viewer. At least HM's such as Fed, and Steph (eg. animal rights issue) aren't that bothered.

Would someone who is reserved by nature put themselves into the most public arena in which to show the world who they are and what they are about? Would not consider myself reserved, but I would not put myself into the voyeuristic zoo that is BB.


Now thats what we do need in the house, someone to play devils advocate, lets see what everyone really thinks about things!!

Chip

Who knows what peoples motivation for wanting to go in the house are? I wouldn't claim to know anyway.
Maybe the bum-chinned one thinks that by playing his cards close to his (flabby) chest he stands a good chance of staying in the house through the critical early weeks.

Sorry for the slurs on Cams physical appearence, childish I know but I couldn't resist!