LCD TV to buy with £1200 to spend - which?

Cajone1963 · 26-08-2007, 12:20

If you had £1200 to spend on an LCD TV which would you buy?

I( want to upgrade to SKY HD so want to but an LCD HD ready TV minimum 32". Friends keep telling me to go buy a Sony Bravia and some have said Panasonic Viera.

Both makes have endless models so would like to have a shorter list from peoples experiences and not discount any makes beyond the 2 I have mentioned.

niall campbell · 26-08-2007, 12:29

you really need to see them

try getting 1080 P not i

3 hdmi inputs or 2

personal choice which screen looks better

phatnaka · 26-08-2007, 14:11

http://www.dixons.co.uk/martprd/stor...AH%20MARKETING

This ones a belter, I've seen it in action, its £1600 in currys but only £1266 online with dixons. and if you enter the code DISC01 at the checkout, you get another £30 off.

I went into panasonic shop in chester and the viera's dont look as good as the samsung lcd 1080p model.
Think plasma should only be considered if your not gonna get sky HD.
a lot of my friends reckon the bravia's are good but I've not seen them

Jimmy Riddle · 26-08-2007, 19:06

Panasonic TH-42PX700 Plasma can be had for sub £1200

Go for Plasma, you will be mainly watching Standard def (no matter what Sky box you have) and an LCD has 'smearing' and ghosting (especially Sony panels)

Panasonic Plasma is the way to go unless you want to go over your budget for the 8th Gen Pioneer plasmas.

Cajone1963 · 26-08-2007, 21:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy Riddle

Panasonic TH-42PX700 Plasma can be had for sub £1200

Go for Plasma, you will be mainly watching Standard def (no matter what Sky box you have) and an LCD has 'smearing' and ghosting (especially Sony panels)

Panasonic Plasma is the way to go unless you want to go over your budget for the 8th Gen Pioneer plasmas.

Can someone explain the benefits of Plasma over LCD or the other way round. I've just cottoned on that even with SKY HD most of the normal channels are not HD so is that why Plasma has the edge?

David (2) · 26-08-2007, 22:07

My vote would be for the Sharp - the FullHD (inc 1080p/i), 37inch model.

Dave

Jimmy Riddle · 26-08-2007, 22:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajone1963

Can someone explain the benefits of Plasma over LCD or the other way round. I've just cottoned on that even with SKY HD most of the normal channels are not HD so is that why Plasma has the edge?

Ok briefly, without getting into too much detail:

Plasma Pro:

Black level response is higher, on LCD they tend to look grey and washed out.

Colour tones on Plasma are greater, especially skin tones (and lets face it, every show you watch has people with skin it usually)

The plasma handles motion far better due to the response time, LCD can be smeared and lag.

Con: They can suffer screenburn and image retention (when the MTV logo will appear after you change channel) But with the new generation of Panasonics and Pioneers this doesn't happen if run in carefully for the first 200 hours at low contrast settings and not in dynamic mode.

Also if you want to hook a PC up you are better with an LCD.

But ultimately you will be watching SD for a long time yet, so go for the Plasma.

Any questions feel free to ask.

Jimmy Riddle · 26-08-2007, 22:24

LCD Pro:

1080P resolution (or Full HD which is 1920x1080) can be had for a low price as it is easier to get 1080 linesunder 50" but a word of warning, this is only an advantage for screens over 50".

There is little chance of screenburn on an LCD.

They are usualkly cheaper than Plasmas, and there aren't really any plasmas in the 37" and under category.

LCD is sharper for graphics on Xbox and PC etc usually.

You can get 100Hz LCDs now which are double the refresh rate and images are smoother on Standard definition

Cons:

Colour tones are better on plasma and the blurring of fast moving objects and the backlight on an LCD means that a Plasma will reproduce better blacks than an LCD ever could.

It is up to you though, you pay your money you take your chances, but the Panasonic plasmas are great value right now.

thms · 26-08-2007, 22:52

this 9/10 minute film shows how a plasma screen is made
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUHFIBuIcYE

after looking at lcd tv to buy for ages, i am leaning towards
a hitachi alis panel full hd plasma coming out in the autumn.
http://hdtvorg.co.uk/news/articles/2007081801.htm
http://www.hitachiconsumer.com/microsite/plasmavslcd/
the current hitachi 50'' P50T01 is around £1000
http://www.kelkoo.prcdirect.co.uk/static/p50t01.pdf
http://audiovisual.kelkoo.co.uk/ctl/...id=total_price

garble · 27-08-2007, 01:21

I can recommend the Sharp (Aquous) LC-42XD1EA which is about 1200 with 5 year warranty at Richer Sounds. Its 1080p with 2xhdmi sockets. SD programmes look good, HD looks superb.

G.

roddydogs · 27-08-2007, 07:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy Riddle

Panasonic TH-42PX700 Plasma can be had for sub £1200

Go for Plasma, you will be mainly watching Standard def (no matter what Sky box you have) and an LCD has 'smearing' and ghosting (especially Sony panels)

Panasonic Plasma is the way to go unless you want to go over your budget for the 8th Gen Pioneer plasmas.

He said LCD

roddydogs · 27-08-2007, 07:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by thms

this 9/10 minute film shows how a plasma screen is made
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUHFIBuIcYE

after looking at lcd tv to buy for ages, i am leaning towards
a hitachi alis panel full hd plasma coming out in the autumn.
http://hdtvorg.co.uk/news/articles/2007081801.htm
http://www.hitachiconsumer.com/microsite/plasmavslcd/
the current hitachi 50'' P50T01 is around £1000
http://www.kelkoo.prcdirect.co.uk/static/p50t01.pdf
http://audiovisual.kelkoo.co.uk/ctl/...id=total_price

He said LCD

thms · 27-08-2007, 08:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by roddydogs

He said LCD

oops best to have kept it to myself

jakx · 27-08-2007, 09:24

Having looked at all the options I've decided to wait for the Sony KDL-40W3000 due very soon in the UK.

Will have everything I need now and beyond for some time!

Price will probably be a bit more than your quoted budget, and mine, but am prepared to slosh the dosh in the new year ...

Jimmy Riddle · 27-08-2007, 12:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by roddydogs

He said LCD

So?

He has admitted he wasn't aware of Plasma and how different it was to LCD.

A plasma is better for his needs, Full HD on a 42" panel is pointless.

Sharp also suffers from 'banding' problems.

Go with a plasma, don't be put off with all the myths about screenburn and needing the gas replaced.

Panasonic plasma, you won't be disappointed.

Cajone1963 · 27-08-2007, 16:15

He is actually a She (Carol)

but hey the point is I'm interested in all opnions because I dont want to spend a huge sum of money and regret it when I can ask people to share their knowledge and experience.

I've liked the look of LCD TV's but thats like looking to buy a car because of the colour. I need to know which type performs better with or without HD because in all probability I'll be looking to buy in the next 6 months but will not be looking to get SKY HD until the extra monthly £10 subscription is scrapped. So as you can see I'll be waiting a long time and watching my new TV using standard definition.

So yes I need opinions re LCD versus Plasma and then advice re make and model. I'd like to be able to walk into a shop with a short-list of about 5 TV's to look at.

Jimmy Riddle · 27-08-2007, 21:37

Plasma:

PANASONIC TH-42PX700 (£1200)

PANASONIC TH-42PX70 (£750-900)

Samsung PS42Q97HD (<£900)

LCD:

Sharp LC-42XD1E (£900)

Samsung LE40M87BDX (£900)

They are all a good start, try and stick within the big brand names, like:

Samsung
Panasonic
Toshiba
Sony
Hitachi
JVC
Sharp

Avoid:

Wharfedale
Bush
Phillips
Acoustic Solutions

Cajone1963 · 27-08-2007, 22:01

Thanks Jimmy Riddle for your contribution.

On the list of manufacturers you haven't mentioned LG - whats your opinion?

Also last question.....without HD is your recommendation Plasma?

Nigel Goodwin · 27-08-2007, 22:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy Riddle

Go with a plasma, don't be put off with all the myths about screenburn and needing the gas replaced.

Screen burn isn't a myth, it's even specifically excluded in the manufacturers gurarantee - the 'gas replacing' is a complete myth, they actually 'contain' a partial vacuum.

Jimmy Riddle · 27-08-2007, 22:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Screen burn isn't a myth, it's even specifically excluded in the manufacturers gurarantee - the 'gas replacing' is a complete myth, they actually 'contain' a partial vacuum.

Screenburn with a Panasonic and 8th Gen Plasma screen are almost non-existent.

Image retention happens, but changing to a channel with no logos soon sorts it out.

Manufacturers won't aceept liability for screenburn as it is your job to protect your panel.

You have to run in the plasma carefully in the first 200 hours, the manual says this, but people dive straight in with contrast at 100%.

Reduce it to 50%, take it out of dynamic mode (which does reduce the plasmas lifespan) and enjoy.

Nigel Goodwin · 27-08-2007, 22:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy Riddle

Screenburn with a Panasonic and 8th Gen Plasma screen are almost non-existent.

Image retention happens, but changing to a channel with no logos soon sorts it out.

Manufacturers won't aceept liability for screenburn as it is your job to protect your panel.

You have to run in the plasma carefully in the first 200 hours, the manual says this, but people dive straight in with contrast at 100%.

Reduce it to 50%, take it out of dynamic mode (which does reduce the plasmas lifespan) and enjoy.

So you've now changed your mind from 'myth' to 'almost non-existent', and listed a load of user procedures to help reduce screen burn.

Rather makes a mockery of your first claim?

Jimmy Riddle · 27-08-2007, 22:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajone1963

Thanks Jimmy Riddle for your contribution.

On the list of manufacturers you haven't mentioned LG - whats your opinion?

Also last question.....without HD is your recommendation Plasma?

LG 42PX5D achieves good results, if a little dated by now.

Problem is with LG is they look good (their bezel like Samsung) but the picture doesn't compete with the big hitters from Samsung, Panasonic and the rest.

Without HD my recommendation is a Plasma TV, you will predominantly watch SD TV for the forseeable future and as Sky HD broadcasts in 1080i (interlaced) and not 1080p (progressive) then the whole 'Full HD' argument is pointless on a 42" screen.

Go for a 42" Plasma, Currys etc will try and push you towards Samsung or LG LCD, but stand firm, go there and watch them then buy online from a reputabl retailer.

John Lewis do a 5 year guarantee on TVs they should be on your port of call as they also pricematch retailers.

Jimmy Riddle · 27-08-2007, 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

So you've now changed your mind from 'myth' to 'almost non-existent', and listed a load of user procedures to help reduce screen burn.

Rather makes a mockery of your first claim?

You don't seem to understand that as time moves on so does technology.

If you wanted to buy a 1st or second generation plasma a few years ago then I'd warn you about a serious risk of screenburn.

It isn't an issue with the technology these days, it is scaremongering to get you to buy an inferior LCD.

On the running it in mode, I suggest you read a car manual, even they suggest running in an engine for the first 1,200 or so miles.

So why should a TV, which is equally complex, be any different?

And don't forget, LCD can be subject to screenburn.

Panasonic and new Pioneer plasma screens you won't suffer from 'screenburn' and image retention is minimal.

thms · 27-08-2007, 22:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy Riddle

You don't seem to understand that as time moves on so does technology.

If you wanted to buy a 1st or second generation plasma a few years ago then I'd warn you about a serious risk of screenburn.

It isn't an issue with the technology these days, it is scaremongering to get you to buy an inferior LCD.

On the running it in mode, I suggest you read a car manual, even they suggest running in an engine for the first 1,200 or so miles.

So why should a TV, which is equally complex, be any different?

And don't forget, LCD can be subject to screenburn.

Panasonic and new Pioneer plasma screens you won't suffer from 'screenburn' and image retention is minimal.

hitachi uses the new technology and the panel also has life of approx 60,000 hours

ps. it has 1080 horizontal lines of resolution which means no cropping to fit the screen

April 28, 2007
New facts on Screen burn in
http://www.plasmatvreviews.org.uk/ar...creen-burn-in/

Do the latest Plasma TVs suffer screen burn-n?

No, Plasma TVs, made in the last couple of years, adopt two techniques to handle this problem.

The new motion adaptive anti burn in technology makes the ghosting effects undetectable by TV viewer. It is found that the use of green phosphor increases the overall life of phosphors.

Okay, what are the precautions I should take to prevent burn-in Don’t leave still, bright images on your plasma TV for a long time. (even 10 or 15 minutes can be hazardous). If your Plasma TV is a high end one, use proper screen saver settings and power management settings.

The initial 200 hours period of brand new Plasma TV is crucial. The phosphors burn intensely resulting in easy burn in. This often happens when the bright-contrast settings are at maximum levels or a bright image is left on the screen for a long time. It is a good idea to reduce bright and contrast settings to half of the original settings (100 %), a step that will ensure the long life of your plasma TV.

Make sure you watch all the programs in full screen format (16:9) as this will prevent black bars that appear on your TV screen.

Latest high end Plasmas are more resistant to burn in and spending a little time over the plasma TV reviews available in our site may often prove helpful in this regard.

roddydogs · 28-08-2007, 07:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy Riddle

You don't seem to understand that as time moves on so does technology.

If you wanted to buy a 1st or second generation plasma a few years ago then I'd warn you about a serious risk of screenburn.

It isn't an issue with the technology these days, it is scaremongering to get you to buy an inferior LCD.

On the running it in mode, I suggest you read a car manual, even they suggest running in an engine for the first 1,200 or so miles.

So why should a TV, which is equally complex, be any different?

And don't forget, LCD can be subject to screenburn.

Panasonic and new Pioneer plasma screens you won't suffer from 'screenburn' and image retention is minimal.

LCD has also moved on, the old "Chestnuts" about Blacks, and Motion Blur are just not an issue with a top brand LCDs,
yet every time this argument come up, someone will bring it up.
How about the fact that plasmas have a glass screen, and will reflect the sunlight/room lights far more than a LCD?

26-08-2007, 12:20	#1
Cajone1963 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My armchair Posts: 1,141	LCD TV to buy with £1200 to spend - which? If you had £1200 to spend on an LCD TV which would you buy? I( want to upgrade to SKY HD so want to but an LCD HD ready TV minimum 32". Friends keep telling me to go buy a Sony Bravia and some have said Panasonic Viera. Both makes have endless models so would like to have a shorter list from peoples experiences and not discount any makes beyond the 2 I have mentioned.

26-08-2007, 12:29	#2
niall campbell Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Aberfeldy Posts: 7,035	you really need to see them try getting 1080 P not i 3 hdmi inputs or 2 personal choice which screen looks better

26-08-2007, 14:11	#3
phatnaka Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North Wales Posts: 124	http://www.dixons.co.uk/martprd/stor...AH%20MARKETING This ones a belter, I've seen it in action, its £1600 in currys but only £1266 online with dixons. and if you enter the code DISC01 at the checkout, you get another £30 off. I went into panasonic shop in chester and the viera's dont look as good as the samsung lcd 1080p model. Think plasma should only be considered if your not gonna get sky HD. a lot of my friends reckon the bravia's are good but I've not seen them

26-08-2007, 19:06	#4
Jimmy Riddle Banned User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,447	Panasonic TH-42PX700 Plasma can be had for sub £1200 Go for Plasma, you will be mainly watching Standard def (no matter what Sky box you have) and an LCD has 'smearing' and ghosting (especially Sony panels) Panasonic Plasma is the way to go unless you want to go over your budget for the 8th Gen Pioneer plasmas.

26-08-2007, 21:05	#5
Cajone1963 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My armchair Posts: 1,141	Quote: Originally Posted by Jimmy Riddle Panasonic TH-42PX700 Plasma can be had for sub £1200 Go for Plasma, you will be mainly watching Standard def (no matter what Sky box you have) and an LCD has 'smearing' and ghosting (especially Sony panels) Panasonic Plasma is the way to go unless you want to go over your budget for the 8th Gen Pioneer plasmas. Can someone explain the benefits of Plasma over LCD or the other way round. I've just cottoned on that even with SKY HD most of the normal channels are not HD so is that why Plasma has the edge?

26-08-2007, 22:07	#6
David (2) Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: S.West England. Posts: 18,037	My vote would be for the Sharp - the FullHD (inc 1080p/i), 37inch model. Dave

26-08-2007, 22:15	#7
Jimmy Riddle Banned User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,447	Quote: Originally Posted by Cajone1963 Can someone explain the benefits of Plasma over LCD or the other way round. I've just cottoned on that even with SKY HD most of the normal channels are not HD so is that why Plasma has the edge? Ok briefly, without getting into too much detail: Plasma Pro: Black level response is higher, on LCD they tend to look grey and washed out. Colour tones on Plasma are greater, especially skin tones (and lets face it, every show you watch has people with skin it usually) The plasma handles motion far better due to the response time, LCD can be smeared and lag. Con: They can suffer screenburn and image retention (when the MTV logo will appear after you change channel) But with the new generation of Panasonics and Pioneers this doesn't happen if run in carefully for the first 200 hours at low contrast settings and not in dynamic mode. Also if you want to hook a PC up you are better with an LCD. But ultimately you will be watching SD for a long time yet, so go for the Plasma. Any questions feel free to ask.

26-08-2007, 22:24	#8
Jimmy Riddle Banned User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,447	LCD Pro: 1080P resolution (or Full HD which is 1920x1080) can be had for a low price as it is easier to get 1080 linesunder 50" but a word of warning, this is only an advantage for screens over 50". There is little chance of screenburn on an LCD. They are usualkly cheaper than Plasmas, and there aren't really any plasmas in the 37" and under category. LCD is sharper for graphics on Xbox and PC etc usually. You can get 100Hz LCDs now which are double the refresh rate and images are smoother on Standard definition Cons: Colour tones are better on plasma and the blurring of fast moving objects and the backlight on an LCD means that a Plasma will reproduce better blacks than an LCD ever could. It is up to you though, you pay your money you take your chances, but the Panasonic plasmas are great value right now.

26-08-2007, 22:52	#9
thms Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 56,818	this 9/10 minute film shows how a plasma screen is made http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUHFIBuIcYE after looking at lcd tv to buy for ages, i am leaning towards a hitachi alis panel full hd plasma coming out in the autumn. http://hdtvorg.co.uk/news/articles/2007081801.htm http://www.hitachiconsumer.com/microsite/plasmavslcd/ the current hitachi 50'' P50T01 is around £1000 http://www.kelkoo.prcdirect.co.uk/static/p50t01.pdf http://audiovisual.kelkoo.co.uk/ctl/...id=total_price

27-08-2007, 01:21	#10
garble Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 17	I can recommend the Sharp (Aquous) LC-42XD1EA which is about 1200 with 5 year warranty at Richer Sounds. Its 1080p with 2xhdmi sockets. SD programmes look good, HD looks superb. G.

27-08-2007, 07:04	#11
roddydogs Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,352	Quote: Originally Posted by Jimmy Riddle Panasonic TH-42PX700 Plasma can be had for sub £1200 Go for Plasma, you will be mainly watching Standard def (no matter what Sky box you have) and an LCD has 'smearing' and ghosting (especially Sony panels) Panasonic Plasma is the way to go unless you want to go over your budget for the 8th Gen Pioneer plasmas. He said LCD

27-08-2007, 07:05	#12
roddydogs Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,352	Quote: Originally Posted by thms this 9/10 minute film shows how a plasma screen is made http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUHFIBuIcYE after looking at lcd tv to buy for ages, i am leaning towards a hitachi alis panel full hd plasma coming out in the autumn. http://hdtvorg.co.uk/news/articles/2007081801.htm http://www.hitachiconsumer.com/microsite/plasmavslcd/ the current hitachi 50'' P50T01 is around £1000 http://www.kelkoo.prcdirect.co.uk/static/p50t01.pdf http://audiovisual.kelkoo.co.uk/ctl/...id=total_price He said LCD

27-08-2007, 08:49	#13
thms Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 56,818	Quote: Originally Posted by roddydogs He said LCD oops best to have kept it to myself

27-08-2007, 09:24	#14
jakx Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 265	Having looked at all the options I've decided to wait for the Sony KDL-40W3000 due very soon in the UK. Will have everything I need now and beyond for some time! Price will probably be a bit more than your quoted budget, and mine, but am prepared to slosh the dosh in the new year ...

27-08-2007, 12:18	#15
Jimmy Riddle Banned User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,447	Quote: Originally Posted by roddydogs He said LCD So? He has admitted he wasn't aware of Plasma and how different it was to LCD. A plasma is better for his needs, Full HD on a 42" panel is pointless. Sharp also suffers from 'banding' problems. Go with a plasma, don't be put off with all the myths about screenburn and needing the gas replaced. Panasonic plasma, you won't be disappointed.

27-08-2007, 16:15	#16
Cajone1963 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My armchair Posts: 1,141	He is actually a She (Carol) but hey the point is I'm interested in all opnions because I dont want to spend a huge sum of money and regret it when I can ask people to share their knowledge and experience. I've liked the look of LCD TV's but thats like looking to buy a car because of the colour. I need to know which type performs better with or without HD because in all probability I'll be looking to buy in the next 6 months but will not be looking to get SKY HD until the extra monthly £10 subscription is scrapped. So as you can see I'll be waiting a long time and watching my new TV using standard definition. So yes I need opinions re LCD versus Plasma and then advice re make and model. I'd like to be able to walk into a shop with a short-list of about 5 TV's to look at.

27-08-2007, 21:37	#17
Jimmy Riddle Banned User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,447	Plasma: PANASONIC TH-42PX700 (£1200) PANASONIC TH-42PX70 (£750-900) Samsung PS42Q97HD (<£900) LCD: Sharp LC-42XD1E (£900) Samsung LE40M87BDX (£900) They are all a good start, try and stick within the big brand names, like: Samsung Panasonic Toshiba Sony Hitachi JVC Sharp Avoid: Wharfedale Bush Phillips Acoustic Solutions

27-08-2007, 22:01	#18
Cajone1963 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My armchair Posts: 1,141	Thanks Jimmy Riddle for your contribution. On the list of manufacturers you haven't mentioned LG - whats your opinion? Also last question.....without HD is your recommendation Plasma?

27-08-2007, 22:14	#19
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by Jimmy Riddle Go with a plasma, don't be put off with all the myths about screenburn and needing the gas replaced. Screen burn isn't a myth, it's even specifically excluded in the manufacturers gurarantee - the 'gas replacing' is a complete myth, they actually 'contain' a partial vacuum.

27-08-2007, 22:19	#20
Jimmy Riddle Banned User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,447	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin Screen burn isn't a myth, it's even specifically excluded in the manufacturers gurarantee - the 'gas replacing' is a complete myth, they actually 'contain' a partial vacuum. Screenburn with a Panasonic and 8th Gen Plasma screen are almost non-existent. Image retention happens, but changing to a channel with no logos soon sorts it out. Manufacturers won't aceept liability for screenburn as it is your job to protect your panel. You have to run in the plasma carefully in the first 200 hours, the manual says this, but people dive straight in with contrast at 100%. Reduce it to 50%, take it out of dynamic mode (which does reduce the plasmas lifespan) and enjoy.

27-08-2007, 22:27	#21
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by Jimmy Riddle Screenburn with a Panasonic and 8th Gen Plasma screen are almost non-existent. Image retention happens, but changing to a channel with no logos soon sorts it out. Manufacturers won't aceept liability for screenburn as it is your job to protect your panel. You have to run in the plasma carefully in the first 200 hours, the manual says this, but people dive straight in with contrast at 100%. Reduce it to 50%, take it out of dynamic mode (which does reduce the plasmas lifespan) and enjoy. So you've now changed your mind from 'myth' to 'almost non-existent', and listed a load of user procedures to help reduce screen burn. Rather makes a mockery of your first claim?

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27-08-2007, 22:28	#22
Jimmy Riddle Banned User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,447	Quote: Originally Posted by Cajone1963 Thanks Jimmy Riddle for your contribution. On the list of manufacturers you haven't mentioned LG - whats your opinion? Also last question.....without HD is your recommendation Plasma? LG 42PX5D achieves good results, if a little dated by now. Problem is with LG is they look good (their bezel like Samsung) but the picture doesn't compete with the big hitters from Samsung, Panasonic and the rest. Without HD my recommendation is a Plasma TV, you will predominantly watch SD TV for the forseeable future and as Sky HD broadcasts in 1080i (interlaced) and not 1080p (progressive) then the whole 'Full HD' argument is pointless on a 42" screen. Go for a 42" Plasma, Currys etc will try and push you towards Samsung or LG LCD, but stand firm, go there and watch them then buy online from a reputabl retailer. John Lewis do a 5 year guarantee on TVs they should be on your port of call as they also pricematch retailers.

27-08-2007, 22:37	#23
Jimmy Riddle Banned User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,447	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin So you've now changed your mind from 'myth' to 'almost non-existent', and listed a load of user procedures to help reduce screen burn. Rather makes a mockery of your first claim? You don't seem to understand that as time moves on so does technology. If you wanted to buy a 1st or second generation plasma a few years ago then I'd warn you about a serious risk of screenburn. It isn't an issue with the technology these days, it is scaremongering to get you to buy an inferior LCD. On the running it in mode, I suggest you read a car manual, even they suggest running in an engine for the first 1,200 or so miles. So why should a TV, which is equally complex, be any different? And don't forget, LCD can be subject to screenburn. Panasonic and new Pioneer plasma screens you won't suffer from 'screenburn' and image retention is minimal.

27-08-2007, 22:47	#24
thms Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 56,818	Quote: Originally Posted by Jimmy Riddle You don't seem to understand that as time moves on so does technology. If you wanted to buy a 1st or second generation plasma a few years ago then I'd warn you about a serious risk of screenburn. It isn't an issue with the technology these days, it is scaremongering to get you to buy an inferior LCD. On the running it in mode, I suggest you read a car manual, even they suggest running in an engine for the first 1,200 or so miles. So why should a TV, which is equally complex, be any different? And don't forget, LCD can be subject to screenburn. Panasonic and new Pioneer plasma screens you won't suffer from 'screenburn' and image retention is minimal. hitachi uses the new technology and the panel also has life of approx 60,000 hours ps. it has 1080 horizontal lines of resolution which means no cropping to fit the screen April 28, 2007 New facts on Screen burn in http://www.plasmatvreviews.org.uk/ar...creen-burn-in/ Do the latest Plasma TVs suffer screen burn-n? No, Plasma TVs, made in the last couple of years, adopt two techniques to handle this problem. The new motion adaptive anti burn in technology makes the ghosting effects undetectable by TV viewer. It is found that the use of green phosphor increases the overall life of phosphors. Okay, what are the precautions I should take to prevent burn-in Don’t leave still, bright images on your plasma TV for a long time. (even 10 or 15 minutes can be hazardous). If your Plasma TV is a high end one, use proper screen saver settings and power management settings. The initial 200 hours period of brand new Plasma TV is crucial. The phosphors burn intensely resulting in easy burn in. This often happens when the bright-contrast settings are at maximum levels or a bright image is left on the screen for a long time. It is a good idea to reduce bright and contrast settings to half of the original settings (100 %), a step that will ensure the long life of your plasma TV. Make sure you watch all the programs in full screen format (16:9) as this will prevent black bars that appear on your TV screen. Latest high end Plasmas are more resistant to burn in and spending a little time over the plasma TV reviews available in our site may often prove helpful in this regard.

28-08-2007, 07:37	#25
roddydogs Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,352	Quote: Originally Posted by Jimmy Riddle You don't seem to understand that as time moves on so does technology. If you wanted to buy a 1st or second generation plasma a few years ago then I'd warn you about a serious risk of screenburn. It isn't an issue with the technology these days, it is scaremongering to get you to buy an inferior LCD. On the running it in mode, I suggest you read a car manual, even they suggest running in an engine for the first 1,200 or so miles. So why should a TV, which is equally complex, be any different? And don't forget, LCD can be subject to screenburn. Panasonic and new Pioneer plasma screens you won't suffer from 'screenburn' and image retention is minimal. LCD has also moved on, the old "Chestnuts" about Blacks, and Motion Blur are just not an issue with a top brand LCDs, yet every time this argument come up, someone will bring it up. How about the fact that plasmas have a glass screen, and will reflect the sunlight/room lights far more than a LCD?