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The US Version - Could It Work Over Here?
Been watching BB UK from the start and the US Series since Season 3, and since then, it's been pretty obvious which of the two is superior...its the US one, in case you didn't realise. It's simply more of a game, and you're unlikely ever to view a dull episode. So i was wondering whether the US version could work over here? If Channel 4/Endemol decided to try it out for one year.
How would the UK audience react to it? As they really wouldn't be taking much part in it (no choosing who is evicted or anything). |
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i think they should try it in January on E4, without the ex and couples twists blah though, just an AP sort od twist to encourage people to watch, and to make C4 some monneh
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Been watching BB UK from the start and the US Series since Season 3, and since then, it's been pretty obvious which of the two is superior...its the US one, in case you didn't realise. It's simply more of a game, and you're unlikely ever to view a dull episode.
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So i was wondering whether the US version could work over here? If Channel 4/Endemol decided to try it out for one year. I have always said they should run both shows here, as they are so different that they both deserve to be shown. However, I don't think the US style show would do as well. How would the UK audience react to it? As they really wouldn't be taking much part in it (no choosing who is evicted or anything). Not only is there the fact that the audience has very little participation (something we have come to expect with our succesful reality TV shows) but also because I think it would offend our sense of 'fairplay'. One of the problems with the US BB is that the winners are usually not all that nice personality wise. By the very nature of the game, to get far you need to be manipulative, disloyal and dishonest. Although maybe not as strong as it used to be, I think in the UK we still have a sense of fairplay, where a winner of a show needs to be deemed worthy of winning both (for want of a better word) morally as well as in terms of how good they are at the game. Whereas in the USA, I think the audience can seperate the two and appreciate the gameplaying for what it is. I think this is also why shows like Survivr didn't do well here, unfortunately. |
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I've disliked the BBUK system since Pete got out of the car last year. I knew from day one he was going to win and it ruined the entire show for me because I didn't think he was a particularly interesting housemate.
I love the US system because it's so unpredictable. |
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Aren't they doing some kind of "experimental" BB in the usual celebrity January run this year? Would be a good idea to try out a US-style version then.
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I think it would be good to do both each year, as I like both formats. Maybe a short one to try it out and if it works a longer one the year after. I don't think it'd be able to replace the current format, as the strategy shows aren't as popular as in the US. Survivor used to get around 25m and ours got about 3m. It's just the difference in the audience between the US an the UK.
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The nature of reality tv is different in the UK / US. We like ours to be interactive, and have come to expect it, whereas Americans don't seem to be too fussed. Personally, I prefer not having too much audience interactivity, because it keeps things unpredictable, and I almost never agree with the audience's decisions anyway.
But I can never envision the US-version working as well over here as I'm sure they'd do it on the cheap! |
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This year BBUS is better. Every year before now I have preferred BBUK for sure. It usually goes BBUK, BBUS, BBAU.
However if every UK series from now on is going to be as bad as this one, then I don't think it would hurt for BBUK to 'evolve', and take some of the ideas from BBUS. Head of household and allowing housemates to talk about nominations would totally revitalise BBUK in my opinion. Work public voting in there and it would be a refreshing twist on what started to become a tired format for BBUK around BB6. |
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It can work over here if it is renamed and advertised as a completely different show...
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It can work over here if it is renamed and advertised as a completely different show...
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It can work over here if it is renamed and advertised as a completely different show...
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But they could still have HOH and POV and have the public vote out one of the two. The only way I could see that working though is if they change it so that the POV holder makes the replacement nomination rather than the HOH
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I think it would work extremely well over here, because you could adapt the rules around the public vote, I think it's what is needed to make our series fresh again.
I'm hoping that the experimental version on E4 will be one trying out the BBUSA rules, seeing which rules work best and then adapting them into BB9. (Email the producers and tell them to do this )We don't neccessarily have to make it exactly the same. But I think our prize fund should be increased to £500,000, nomination discussion should be allowed and they should be a live task every Saturday night to determine the Head of House who then has some type of power over the nominations. This way it will encourage more game playing, more alliances, backstabbing and the fact that there will be a different HOH each week means that the alliances will be constantly changing, that way you don't just get one group picking off the weaker housemates. I've made posts before in the BBUK forum about what I'd like to see adapted into our BB for next year. And I definitely think using some of the US rules will benefit our series in a big way. Especially if the producers target game player style housemates at the auditions, people who aren't afraid to admit that they want to win the money. But if they do go for these new rules, they need to stick to them for the full series, no changing it to benefit certain housemates, no stupid over-the-top twists and no new housemates. Start with 14 and keep it like that. The only rule we don't need from the US one is the housemates evicting each other, that should still be left to the public except it should be a Vote To Save. |
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But they could still have HOH and POV and have the public vote out one of the two. The only way I could see that working though is if they change it so that the POV holder makes the replacement nomination rather than the HOH
-Then the winner of HOH has power over nominations. -Housemates still nominate as normal but on the Sunday instead. -As usual each housemate will nominate two people (the HOH will be exempt from being nominated and will also not be allowed to take part in the nomination process). -On Monday nomination results are revealed to the house. -But then the HOH must change one of the nominations and replace them with someone else. (they can't refuse to do this) There replacement nominee will be revealed live on BBLB on Tuesday. Then phonelines will open. This all assures that nobody is ever safe, things aren't always predictable. Nominations are revealed on Monday so it gives time for the nominees to make deals with the HOH to take them off and replace them. It will allow chance for groups to change again so that things don't become predictable. |
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I think it would work extremely well over here, because you could adapt the rules around the public vote, I think it's what is needed to make our series fresh again.
I'm hoping that the experimental version on E4 will be one trying out the BBUSA rules, seeing which rules work best and then adapting them into BB9. (Email the producers and tell them to do this )We don't neccessarily have to make it exactly the same. But I think our prize fund should be increased to £500,000, nomination discussion should be allowed and they should be a live task every Saturday night to determine the Head of House who then has some type of power over the nominations. This way it will encourage more game playing, more alliances, backstabbing and the fact that there will be a different HOH each week means that the alliances will be constantly changing, that way you don't just get one group picking off the weaker housemates. I've made posts before in the BBUK forum about what I'd like to see adapted into our BB for next year. And I definitely think using some of the US rules will benefit our series in a big way. Especially if the producers target game player style housemates at the auditions, people who aren't afraid to admit that they want to win the money. But if they do go for these new rules, they need to stick to them for the full series, no changing it to benefit certain housemates, no stupid over-the-top twists and no new housemates. Start with 14 and keep it like that. The only rule we don't need from the US one is the housemates evicting each other, that should still be left to the public except it should be a Vote To Save. |
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I don't think they should take away the public vote because that is one of the big selling points of our series. And I think the public vote adapted around the other BBUSA rules would work great.
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I think it would work extremely well over here, because you could adapt the rules around the public vote, I think it's what is needed to make our series fresh again.
I'm hoping that the experimental version on E4 will be one trying out the BBUSA rules, seeing which rules work best and then adapting them into BB9. (Email the producers and tell them to do this )We don't neccessarily have to make it exactly the same. But I think our prize fund should be increased to £500,000, nomination discussion should be allowed and they should be a live task every Saturday night to determine the Head of House who then has some type of power over the nominations. This way it will encourage more game playing, more alliances, backstabbing and the fact that there will be a different HOH each week means that the alliances will be constantly changing, that way you don't just get one group picking off the weaker housemates. I've made posts before in the BBUK forum about what I'd like to see adapted into our BB for next year. And I definitely think using some of the US rules will benefit our series in a big way. Especially if the producers target game player style housemates at the auditions, people who aren't afraid to admit that they want to win the money. But if they do go for these new rules, they need to stick to them for the full series, no changing it to benefit certain housemates, no stupid over-the-top twists and no new housemates. Start with 14 and keep it like that. The only rule we don't need from the US one is the housemates evicting each other, that should still be left to the public except it should be a Vote To Save. Also I agree with the Vote to Save instead of Vote to Evict, hopefully it would mean the good characters stay around longer. TBH I can't see it being changed though because the producers just love to edit certain housemates in a bad light and get lots of money from the votes to evict. |
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I don't think they need POV but the reason I think they need a HOH is so that you don't just get one strong group picking off the weaker housemates, it would be unfair and become predictable. But with a HOH every week that means a new person is leading every week and if that HOH has some type of power over nominations it means the groups will continually change week in and week out, making the game more unpredictable.
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I think it would work, as long as they started picking better housemates than they have in the last cuple of series. Let's face it, most of those housemates have been idiots and most of them went in to promote themselves to gain a pathetic z-list status and didn't really care whether they won it or not.
If we had the US format as well but we had those type of wannabes, it would surely flop because they're too stupid to think of a strategy, and not concerned about winning or trying to compete because of the media attention they will get on the outside. |
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I like your ideas but I think just allowing the discussion of nominations would suffice, theres no real need for HOH and POV. Hopefully the producers would do a good job of selecting housemates and we would have some gameplayers in there. They don't all need to be gameplayers though. I think it's good to have a variety of different people and some people aren't interested in 'playing the game' Although I would definately like to see alliances being formed and strategies being worked out. This would just all add to the drama of the show and create more bitching, backstabbing and arguments.
Think back to Victor in BB5. He went in as a gameplayer. A core group of people liked the fact that he was a gameplayer and was deliberately targetting people at times, etc. but IMHO most people didn't and held it against him. I think in a way, you need to have a totally different show that is quite a bit different to our normal BB in order to re-educate the audience as to what to expect, and who to cheer on for. Remember Survivor failed in this counttry partly because it came after BB - the audience didn't like the fact that the 'nasty' people got to the end. On the other hand, the original format of BB failed in the US because it came after Survivor - the audience couldn't get behind the concept of the HMs not competing and using strategy t win. |
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It would work if that's what the show was promoted as and with lots of BB fans knowing that it needs to change to become fresh again, I think more would be willing to accept it.
If they had big marketing for BB9, adverts stating stuff like "The Year Of The Gameplayers"..."The Rules All Change" etc, people would be prepared for some big changes. |
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How about this as an idea, specifically for the BB in January:
- Live HOH competiton, where the HOH picks 3 housemates for eviction - The housemates choosing which of the 3 should go. The nominated housemates can vote - The two surviving housemates still face a public vote in the same week, but can save themselves in the POV. - The POV winner can take anyone off the block, and they make the replacement nominee, of which the HOH is not immune. - When it gets to the final 4, it would be all down to who wins the challenges |
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Hard to know really, the problem with making it too intricate is that the average British television audience will be like...
"SAY WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT" I think they should keep things as simple as possible.
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