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1080i/p confusion
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Nigel Goodwin
20-09-2007
Originally Posted by pawlo:
“You work in a sony center.....How much can you get me a PS3 for ”

Do they sell PS3's?

Playstations aren't Sony UK products, and aren't available from Sony UK.
garbage456
25-09-2007
hi, done a quick search but cant find an answer to this.

I am currently plugged into my TV using the composite HD cable, i want to use either the standard AV cable or a VGA output cable that i have but when i connect them to the TV i dont get a picture (as i guess it is still set to HD mode)

How can i change it over please?

Thanks in advance
carefree cook
26-09-2007
Originally Posted by garbage456:
“hi, done a quick search but cant find an answer to this.

I am currently plugged into my TV using the composite HD cable, i want to use either the standard AV cable or a VGA output cable that i have but when i connect them to the TV i dont get a picture (as i guess it is still set to HD mode)

How can i change it over please?

Thanks in advance”

does the picture turn blue when you try the vga or av?
meltcity
07-10-2007
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“Sorry I would disagree - the resolution is still 1080 lines, but you may have movement between the odd and even lines (as I said before).

Also bear in mind that LCD and Plasma displays are not interlaced, the 'i' picture is displayed as a single frame, not as two half frames as with a CRT.”

The key point here is that the odd and even fields of an interlaced 'frame' are not shown at the same time, either on a CRT or on a flat TV.

As you say flat TVs have to deinterlace, but they cannot create detail where none previously existed. A deinterlacer cannot simply merge the odd and even fields to make a complete frame because the fields are snapshots from different periods in time. If it did, when anything moved it would look terrible. Instead a deinterlacers use information from one field only and line double/upscale that one field. Hence the resolution is 1080 lines on stationary objects, but 540 lines on moving objects. As the saying goes, you can't polish a turd!
Nigel Goodwin
07-10-2007
Originally Posted by meltcity:
“The key point here is that the odd and even fields of an interlaced 'frame' are not shown at the same time, either on a CRT or on a flat TV.
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I would say that BOTH do just that, an LCD/Plasma by deinterlacing and displaying them as a single frame, and a CRT by displaying them following each other, a single line apart, where persistance of vision makes them appear as a single frame.

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As you say flat TVs have to deinterlace, but they cannot create detail where none previously existed. A deinterlacer cannot simply merge the odd and even fields to make a complete frame because the fields are snapshots from different periods in time. If it did, when anything moved it would look terrible. Instead a deinterlacers use information from one field only and line double/upscale that one field. Hence the resolution is 1080 lines on stationary objects, but 540 lines on moving objects. As the saying goes, you can't polish a turd!”

I think the point is that the deinterlacers DO merge the fields, and process them as well - which is why they are poorer on fast moving action than progressive signals. A CRT is really no different either.
bobcar
12-10-2007
Originally Posted by meltcity:
“The key point here is that the odd and even fields of an interlaced 'frame' are not shown at the same time, either on a CRT or on a flat TV.

As you say flat TVs have to deinterlace, but they cannot create detail where none previously existed. A deinterlacer cannot simply merge the odd and even fields to make a complete frame because the fields are snapshots from different periods in time. If it did, when anything moved it would look terrible. Instead a deinterlacers use information from one field only and line double/upscale that one field. Hence the resolution is 1080 lines on stationary objects, but 540 lines on moving objects. As the saying goes, you can't polish a turd!”

Actually that's what good deinterlacers often do (when the source was progressive e.g. a 24 fps film), DVD players are often better at this than TVs especially if the DVD is correctly labelled as progressive. So for a film there is no good reason why 1080i cannot be just as good as 1080p, it depends on the TV's deinterlacing.
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