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Old 05-09-2007, 19:23
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I hate the term myself and find it offensive. Do you think its a racist slur? What are your views on it?

I dont see the need to call Irish people "Paddies" etc and find it really offensive.
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:26
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As an Irish person I never have to say that I found the term 'throwing a Paddy' a slur - in fact, I never really heard it used much until a few years ago.

Having said that I do not like to be called a Paddy and I've given out to non-Irish people who have called me that.
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:28
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I had no idea 'throwing a paddy' had anything to do with Irish people.
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:30
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I've heard of throwing a wobbly but that's it.
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:31
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I had no idea 'throwing a paddy' had anything to do with Irish people.
Neither did I. And if it is something to do with Irish people and you think it's racist does that make me racist for using a term that I didn't know the meaning of?
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:31
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I've heard of throwing a paddy but never knew it was to do with the Irish!
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:31
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When my boyfriend says "throwing a Paddy", I go mad so now he knows not to say it around me.
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:32
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I've never equated "throwing a paddy" with Irish people. It'd be interesting to find the origins of the phrase
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:32
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When my boyfriend says "throwing a Paddy", I go mad so now he knows not to say it around me.
Do you know where the saying comes from?
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:33
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I've been saying it for decades and it never occurred to me that that it bore any relation to the Irish.

So, no I don't think it's a racist slur.
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:33
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I read this

From the twelfth century, when Gerald of Wales described the Irish as "a filthy people, wallowing in vice," to the nineteenth century, when Thomas Carlyle called Ireland a "human swinery", and well into the next, the Irish have were viewed as an inferior race by the British. Declan Kiberd, in ‘Inventing Ireland – The Literature Of The Modern Nation’ argues that Ireland was pressed into service as a foil to set off English virtues.

‘Victorian imperialists attributed to the Irish all those emotions and impulses which a harsh mercantile code had led them to suppress in themselves. Thus, if John Bull was industrious and reliable, Paddy was held to be indolent and contrary;if the former was mature and rational, the latter must be unstable and emotional;if the English were adult and manly, the Irish must be childish and feminine.’ (Page 34)

The English, then, projected onto the Irish all the feelings and behaviour that they couldn’t face in themselves and, argues Kiberd, Ireland became England’s subconscious. Traces of this persist to the present day – Leeds, where I now live, is one of the most violent cities in the UK, yet people here still refer to someone losing their temper as ‘Throwing a Paddy” (and, of course, people still continue to use the expression “to welsh on a deal”).
http://www.rayfrench.com/We've%20Been%20here%20before.htm
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:34
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No more than having 'an eppy' may be deemed offensive to epileptics
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:34
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Ive never heard of the term "throwing a paddy" before.
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:35
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I hate the term myself and find it offensive. Do you think its a racist slur? What are your views on it?

I dont see the need to call Irish people "Paddies" etc and find it really offensive.
Well yes. If the other well known ones are considered offensive and off limits, so should "paddies", "thick Micks" and the like.

They are offensive, just as insulting terms to describe Germans, French and Italians, are as well.
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:35
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I googled and all I could find was this:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2055145155

Another forum having the same debate. It's got a possible origin on there.
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:37
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I googled and all I could find was this:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2055145155

Another forum having the same debate. It's got a possible origin on there.
Its an Irish board and I was wondering do people think the same as I do. I hate being referred to as a Paddy etc.
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:37
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I hate the term myself and find it offensive. Do you think its a racist slur? What are your views on it?

I dont see the need to call Irish people "Paddies" etc and find it really offensive.
I assume you also object to the Irish Whiskey called Paddy and brewed in Ireland since 1779 ? or when its used as a nickname for Patrick , as the term Paddy comes from the Irish Gaelic for Patrick which is Padrig which becomes Paddy.

Also the term Paddywagon for a poliicevan, which some have tried to say before was an insut as it was made to look like lots of Irish were arrested , when in fact the term came from the USA and the police van was christened a paddywagon becuase of the vast numbers of Irish Policemen.

Paddy as I said comes from the name Padrig and that there were so many Padrigs that is how the term came about.
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:37
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Do you know where the saying comes from?
From the days when mental illness was dealt with in an unenlightened manner. Someone who became violently disturbed would be put in a padded cell or a padded (strait) jacket (a "paddy").

Similarly "Paddy-wagon", a wagon with padding on the inside so that prisoners wouldn't make too much noise.
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:38
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I assume you also object to the Irish Whiskey called Paddy and brewed in Ireland since 1779 ? or when its used as a nickname for Patrick , as the term Paddy comes from the Irish Gaelic for Patrick which is Padrig which becomes Paddy.

Also the term Paddywagon for a poliicevan, which some have tried to say before was an insut as it was made to look like lots of Irish were arrested , when in fact the term came from the USA and the police van was christened a paddywagon becuase of the vast numbers of Irish Policemen.

Paddy as I said comes from the name Padrig and that there were so many Padrigs that is how the term came about.
I dont mind if its short for Patrick and that is the persons name but to refer all Irish as Paddys, thats not right.
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:38
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Do you know where the saying comes from?
I found this from another site,
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: I did find an entry in "British English: A to Zed" by Norman W. Schur (Harper Perennial, New York, 1987): "paddy, n., tantrum. Inf. 'Paddywhack' is a variant. Paddy is a nickname for Padraig, which is old Irish for Patrick, and there are so many Patricks in Ireland that Patrick or Pat is usually the protagonist in Irish jokes. Apparently, Irish tempers are shorter than British ones, so somehow 'paddy' came to mean 'tantrum."
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:40
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I doubt anyone using the term associates it with the Irish, so I dont see how it can be classed as racist!

It's something that has evolved over many years without any ulterior motive.
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:40
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I dont mind if its short for Patrick and that is the persons name but to refer all Irish as Paddys, thats not right.
Why ? The name came about as there were so many Patricks ( Padrig ) they nicknamed them Paddies , its not as though Paddy means something nasty like stupid or dangerous , then it would be insulting but a nickname based on the fact that Ireland seemed to be full of Patricks is not to my mind a racist slur. What if the name at the time that was most poular in Ireland had been James and they were now nicknamed Jameses , would that be classed as racist ?

Do you find British people complaing that the Aussies call them Poms , Pommies, the origin of which was Prisoner of Mother England ? Some Ausssies say it affectionately some with bile in sport, but its a nickname.
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:42
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I won't say it any more then.

Apologies to any offended leprechauns.
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:43
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With a nick nack paddywhack give the dog a bone, this old man came rolling home.


That said, I dont think the term "paddy" is racist. If someone gets offended by "paddy" then they must have very thin skin in my opinion!.
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Old 05-09-2007, 19:44
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Why ? The name came about as there were so many Patricks ( Padrig ) they nicknamed them Paddies , its not as though Paddy means think or stupid or dangerous , then it would be insulting but a nickname based on the fact that Ireland seemed to be full of Patricks is not to my mind a racist slur.

Do you find British people complaing that the Aussies call them Poms , Pommies, the origin of which was Prisoner of Mother England ? Some Ausssies say it affectionately some with bile in sport, but its a nickname.
I am not on my own with this, Why would you call a girl a Paddy for instance, its the same with the Paddy the Irishman jokes, I hate them, Its offensive to me.
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