How was he horrible

He looked as if he was happy that a caveman who refuses, in any way, to adapt his outdated insulting 'jokes' (I use the term 'jokes' loosely)

Those of us who had a conscience, way back when he was on our screens, didn't find his insulting 'jokes' funny at all so why would we find them funny now

He's a disgrace, it's not just what he says it's the way he does it, he has an argument then when anyone says something back he interrupts them with a put down, eg 'wind your neck in' there have been lots more where, if I'd been there, I could have quite happily punched him had I been there

That's speaking from a non-violent person

I liked Brian in Big Brother, but I now find him rather a pathetic figure.

JD was unpleasant and obnoxious, but Brian's responses were extremely calculating IMO, he seems too quick to portray himself as a vulnerable victim which just doesn't seem to fit the confident person seen on the TV. I feel Brian was exhibiting as much prejudice as Jim, I don't think Brian was ever going to get on with Jim and was looking for opportunities to bring him down.

I'm also suprised at the OTT response to the shirtlifter comment, it's even been compared on this forum to the "n" word, which I find quite staggering. Shirtlifter may be a flippant comment, but it doesn't have hundreds of years of oppression attached to it. There is a gay comic called "Shirtlifter", this may be ironic, but if it were that offensive I don't think it would be used in this context. Maybe I just don't get it.

I also think there's a case of revisionism happening with JD, he used to be one of the most popular entertainers in the country, but now many people, perhaps even most, claim never to have liked him. It doesn't really add up. He is past his sell-by-date, his act is anachronistic and should be left behind, but most people found that type of humour acceptable once and we shouldn't make out that we never did.

....and I don't know why I'm defending Jim, but something doesn't feel quite right about this.

I doubt you do! Calling someone gay a 'shirtlifter' and having 'that look'' youre asking for trouble.

I've surfed about on the web for definitions of "shirtlifter", and none of them mention a negative connotation in the way say definitions of "poof" or "pansy" do. I accept that that doesn't mean that it doesn't have a negative connotation. It sounds flippant and like a mild insult, but I don't know the origins of it.

I have never found JD's humour acceptable or funny and nor have any of my friends. In my opinion Brian was not playing a victim, but was devastated and shocked that anyone could treat him so badly. He said as much when he said that he had never come across such blatent homophobia before. Also, I was a teenager in the 1970s and it was not acceptable to make racist or homophobic remarks then. None of my family or friends would have dreamt of saying the things that JD said. He is a nasty man who is taking out his own inadequacies on others. His comment 'there are humans and then there are girls' was downright offensive as well.

It doesn't matter where on the scale of offensiveness the term is, Brian had asked Jim not to use that word and Jim went ahead and used it again. That is a clear case of homophobic discrimination/bullying and in a real workplace Brian would be able to take action against Jim and the company they worked for.

In a real workplace being gay and being offended by something doesn't automatically make what's been said homophobic or bullying. If I were to call a woman at work "darling" I might well offend the woman, but I wouldn't think that I was being sexist / bullying. Some people might disagree.

However, what I was trying to ascertain was the connotations behind the term. I realise Brian was offended by it.

Is it not fair to say that the terms 't**t and 'divvy' are also offensive and insulting?

If so, then surely Adele and Abi should both be kicked off the show as they both used these terms about JD. Or are we condoning JD being kicked off for using an offensive term, but it's OK for others to be rude and offensive and get away with it?

Had BD used his brain, he would have realised that JD was trying to get a rise out of him and the best way to quash anything like that is to not rise to the bait. I do not believe that it was the worst BD has ever been treated in his life - being cabin crew I'm sure he came across some pretty awful people in his time.

I sincerely hope that someone decent like Barry, Paul or Anneka win this farce as in my opinion Brian, Adele and Abi do not deserve to.

They don't discriminate against a minority do they? Are you really saying that calling someone a divvy is just as offensive as saying half the population are sub-human?

As far as I can remember JD did not say half the population are sub human.

What I am saying is that if you are going to throw someone off a show for using an offensive term then that rule has to apply to all.

Sorry, but what you have said is not correct. If you are using language liable to offend or treating someone differently due to their sexuality/sex/age/race then you are breaking the law (and by allowing it to happen, so is the company)

He said that "there are women and then there are humans"

There is a big difference between using swear words and being racist, sexist or homophobic. Jim admited to using language of all three of these (although we didn't see any racism). Tw*t and divvy do not discriminate against any sector of society and are therefore not out of order.

Well sorry but if someone said I was a Tw*t or a divvy live on TV I'd be pretty upset and offended - it may not offend a particular sector but it's still nasty, unnecessary and uncalled for. Calling names is calling names which ever way you look at it.

As for the other quote - ever heard of humour? For goodness sake let's lighten up - he's always admitted he's never understood women so of course he's going to make quips like that. Most men do and most women make similar remarks about men.

For sure, if Abi or one of the other contestants had turned round and said there are humans and then there are men there wouldn't have been half the outcry, if any at all.

It's time people got over it, and moved on.

But he didn't tell it as a joke he was commenting on his relationship with the girls.

This gets to a bit of a important point actually. I don't mind Jim making his un PC jokes in his act, they are expected and it is very unlikely that someone who might be offended by them would be at one of his shows.

But this was not his act, it was first and formost his place of work and where he was living with other people. In this context he should respect those he is working and living with and not discriminate against them by using homophobic or sexist language. Furthermore having been told a term was offensive to one of his housemates he used it again which is simply not right. People attending a Jim Davidson show expect to hear some non-pc jokes and would not be surprised to hear them. People going on a cooking show do not expect to be bullied by a bigot and ITV did the right thing in pulling him out, who knows what would have happend had he remained (he has a history of wife beating remember).

All this is relevant before we even start to look at the fact that this was a prime time show on one of the biggest TV networks. Jim used to tone down his act for prime time tv when he was on Big Break and the Generation Game, why does he think he should be allowed to get away with it now when he didn't in the past?

I wonder now about it not being an act. He was very disingenuous at the start with his talk of only being there for the cooking lessons of a lifetime when it transpires that he's on tour in a month or so.

How perfect was it from his POV to go on this, be offensive, stir up some controversy and get in the papers. Perfect free publicity. If he'd won the show it would just have been gravy.

So he's a liar as well as a git.

What rubbish. Men belittle women, and women belittle men. In life, in general.

I say similar things to my girlfirned - and get just as bad (well lets face it - worse) back.

I keep sayign the same thing, but this thread is crammed full of professional offendees waiting for something new to be offended about.

Grow up!!

It's amusing ITV doesn't tolerate certain language such as shirt lifter but is happy to show the main chef going out into the countyside and shooting dead a young deer. Seems ITV is pro-killing animals or doesn't thing it's such a bad thing to see on television. I'd rather see someone be called a rude word than someone shoot a defenceless animal.

I find Marco Pierre White a loathsome individual. Far worse than Davidson.

Well thats fine because you have that interaction with someone who you know can take it and give it back. Not everyone can take it though and if you are saying it on a national TV show you should know you are going to offend people which isn't right.

I felt a bit uneasy about the hunting VT but as a meat eater I accept that it does go on. As stalking and hunting is not illegal on licensed Estates I guess ITV thought it was OK to show, even though they knew that there would be people who would be offended by it.

I like Marco and find this series of Hell's Kitchen far more interesting and informative than the past ones.

I am not a professional offendee. In fact I am very rarely rilled up about anything. However Jim Davidson has, on several occasions, had me shaking with anger!!

The thing is, as I see it, not about being pc or homophobic or anything of the sort. The thing that angered me the most was the fact that as a normal himan being, if Iwere quite calmly and politely asked not to say something or not to refer to someone in certain terms as they found it offensive, I would not respond with "I dont care" and then repeat the term. It is about common decencey, having to live with people and not going out of your way to knowingly offend them.

99% of people manage to go about with their everyday lives, irrespective of their personal views, without actively and intentionally offending and upsetting those around them. why should any less be expected of people like JD?

Quite aside from the fact I find his views small minded and downright silly!

You have hit the nail on the head, it was all about offending someone and trying to belittle them. I never saw it as a pc issue, it was Jim that brought the pc argument into it. I have a feeling he uses the non pc argument just to be downright rude to people.

I think it's obvious that Jim is a very confrontational, argumentative person, the type who would start an argument just for argument's sake.

If Brian wasn't there he would have picked on someone else, probably one of the girls. His humour is all about offending and belittling people and that's obviously a large part of his personality as well.

But then, as this is an 'elimination' show, isn't the right response that a dislikeable character should get the lowest votes and leave?

Offending and upsetting people isn't illegal or a reason to be banished from a TV show (which presumably hired JD to do just that).

Playing the 'I'm Gay & defenceless' card.Does not fool me he knew he could use that one against Davidson..& he did.