Well it looks like Marco is aware of Matt bullying the girls, probably the reason he swapped the soux chefs around last night.

Interesting article for any Marco fans of the female variety. So he likes to hold women's hands and lick them all the way up to the arm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/showbiz/late...9520-19793940/

thanks for that link, diamond

as i said before, you can't believe a word you read in the tabloids, but the general picture seems pretty clear - he's been a complete bar steward to his wife.

this was funny:

"His perfect woman is the demure, docile housewife who is a tiger in the bedroom."

really. well my perfect man is one who treats me with respect and is faithful, and i'm sure most women would agree.

"He loves big-breasted statuesque blondes"

oh dear. that's me. mind you, i'm a granny and i'm spoken for so i'm safe

i missed last night's show as me and the OH (brian) were at
the saltaire beer festival. saltaire is one of the lovliest villages in yorkshire, i don't know if anyone knows it. anyway, even though i have this rule of thumb that
no-one knows what goes on inside someone else's marriage, not even the couple themselves half the time, i still feel that MPW's wife has had a hard time of it. i've spent the last 3 years writing a trilogy about the devastating damage that emotionally abusive men can do to women, so it's a subject close to my heart.

so....me and bry are sitting in fanny's (john peel's favourite pub) just before the festival starts, and i say to bry

"i feel really sorry for MPW's wife. what do you think of him, anyway?" and he says,

"the more i hear and see of him, the more i'm convinced that he's another in a long line of chefs who are arrogant, boorish ars*h*les."

"so, when i get my 6 figure book deal we won't be inviting him along to celebrate" i say,

"he can come and do't catering. if he's not too expensive." he replies dryly.

so...there you have it, and brian is an excellent judge of men. i still think MPW is a great character and i love watching him on tv, but there is more to a man than being charming. real men look up to their woman, and put her first. the more i see, the more i get the big picture. yanno, i admired george best but i wouldn't have wanted to be shacked up with him. same thing really.

Great post moonsparkle.

I'm really enjoying MPW in HK3 but I used to read Private Eye regularly and I well remember some of the things I read in it about him. Actually I'm finding it very hard to believe that this is the same MPW that I'm seeing now on television.

Basically I think Marco and marriage aren't made for each other. He's more the type for friendships with women and no strings attached affairs.

This made me laugh:


I tend to believe this quote from the friend:

Nice to see that Marco has given the final 4 an appraisal. I really think he's taken his role as head chef and mentor far more seriously that Ramsey did.

Also interesting to see that the final two will be choosing to bring back 3 chefs each to help them out.

Wonder if anyone will bring Jim back

I absolutely agree with this and to be honest it has made Hells Kitchen a lot more interesting for me. All I remember Ramsay doing is shouting, swearing and goading people into a reaction. Gary Rhodes seemed to be permanently smarming around, showing people his stomach and generally being a nobhead.

Marco PW on the other hand, is actually TEACHING them something.

Pre HK3,I'd have chosen GR over MPW any day but I'm intrigued by MPW now and really want to see him on television again soon. Unfortunately,he's on record as saying that there will be no more television work for him.


Hopefully if the money's there he'll change his mind.

I'd like too see him with his own show focusing on Cookery.
The problem being is that are so many food shows now,it feels like nearly everything has been done before.

I would like to see MPW have his own show as well. He has made this series of HK very informative and he makes the cooking look so easy.

He's always been less than flattering about TV chefs though so I don't see this happening which is a shame.

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Wrong thread again

Moonsparkle, I'm stunned and flattered that you pulled that post of mine onto a new thread

And, I'm delighted to see that appreciation of Barry is more widespread than I'd dreamt when I first posted at the height of 'Jimgate'

Excellent posts deserve recognition washboard.


If I were to post 'Go Barry',it might be taken literally so I'll just second your appreciation of Barry.

I agree with a lot of what you say about Jim accepting what Barry said, because of who Barry is (a heterosexual man; his age etc).

Nevertheless, I still think that much of the effect came from the way Barry put his points across.

But I am in complete agreement with your yell

My lungs are ready to join in with that cry, and remain at your disposal!

(If it's OK with you, I'll use them for breathing in the meantime )

Stands up and applauds!

Superb post, moonsparkle.

Thank you very much, One and Only!

I am not ashamed to say that I want Barry to go all the way!





However, as we are both married (and have never met anyway)...

I'll settle for him winning Hells Kitchen

thanks



well, i've started reading his autobiography now. i didn't realise it was an update of "white heat" which i'd been meaning to buy for ages.

anyway, i understand a lot more now. marco's mother died when he was 6 and he explains how this has affected the rest of his life. i lost my own mother at 9, not through death, but through her leaving one day with no notice, and then i further lost her to mental illness as a result of her original leaving, so i understand how devastating it is for your mother to be there one minute and not the next, even though i accept that the death i experienced was of a different sort.

for a long time i blamed every bad thing i did on my mother leaving and my father's subsequent emotionally abusive behaviour towards me (he moved my new "stepmother" in a few hours after my mother left and lied about it, saying she'd come to keep house for us.)

but there comes a time when you simply have to take responsibility for your actions and bl**dy well GROW UP. it's no good blaming your car crash wreck of a childhood for hurting others, no matter how bad it was, and believe me, i understand suffering as a child. you have to move on, you have to try extra hard NOT to hurt others instead of wallowing in your own misery.

reading the autobiography i can see quite clearly how my original intuition about MPW was correct, that he's a deeply sensitive person who's been terribly hurt. but being an enfant terrible at 24 is one thing. being an enfant terrible in middle age just makes you look like you haven't put in enough emotional graft.

despite it being ghost written (ie we're not talking about a david niven "moon's a balloon" here folks) it's a GREAT read and i recommend buying the book.


he reminds me very much of a highly successful author who happens to be a close mate of mine, who is just a platonic mate. like MPW he's a bit of a loner, loves fishing, is incredibly charismatic and headstrong, but is crap at long term relationships. i give him advice about his relationships, i adore him, but i would never, ever, have got involved, even had i been single, because he's simply had too much pain in his life and unfortunately, the women he loves bear the price for that pain, although not intentionally on his part.


he just doesn't interest me in the slightest, that man.


he's got bad hair and he's fussy with his food. he's the chef equivalent of a man who has to have a shower before he makes love to you. right turn off.

(however his pork pie recipe looks very, very good.)



i really admire the way that he actually cares that they're learning, that he's passing on his passion for food to them.
when he shouted at paul though, i just believe this kind of behaviour is plain wrong in any work situation.


seconded, fried kickin.


well, great posts deserve applause! i want barry to win, too, what a man.



exactamundo, smiley.


chuckle.

btw. whilst the OH, bry, was weiling his great big 2 kilo club hammer this morning (he's rewiring the kitchen, bless him. keeps him away from that horrible dangerous mountain biking malarky anyway) i said to him "you know what bry, you can't just dismiss marco pierre white like you did the other day. reading his autobiography, he's an amazing bloke."

and he said (you've got to imagine this in a broad yorkshire accent) "ah, that was an off the cuff comment. ah know nowt about the man."

sigh....

ps i'm sure i noticed product on MPW's hair last night.

At first I thought it was just wet, but it did look like he had put something on it to calm it down. I also noticed that he'd had a shave.

I'm reading his autobiography at the moment too moonsparkle and it was very sad reading about his mothers death so soon after giving birth to his younger brother, who was then adopted by his aunt and taken to Italy. I felt for him when he described being fostered for a short while (although he didn't realise it was fostering) as his dad was struggling to cope. He just thought he was living in this strange house with these strangers and he described how he just turned his emotions off.

well worth the read, isn't it? and like you say, some very sad moments.

anyway, re last night, YAY bazza won! i was SO PLEASED he won. he showed such strength of character and determination, and seems like a thoroughly nice guy. ok here i go again with another story, but brian told me last night that the guy who taught him to make potcheen (irish moonshine) once went backstage when bazza was in panto with...um...some celeb burd can't remember who...and he and bazza got pissed together. anyway he said that barry was a really nice bloke. i guess that's obvious now though innit?

my favourite bit of last night's show was when he stood up to tim. i know as viewers we only get to see what the production team want to show us, and i realise that for tim to be a sous chef to MPW he must be brilliant, but last night all we saw of tim was him swaying around the kitchen, his face impregnated with essence of smirk, and it just made me want to give him a good SLAP, so i'm glad barry verbally did it for me. actually, barry standing up to tim was the highlight of the entire series.

i liked marco's response, merely chuckling "6 million viewers and barry's going to chin the sous-chef." it's obviously not just the cooking that obsesses MPW; he's also addicted to the drama of the kitchen (great if you're just a viewer, however from personal experience the drama is the bit i detest about kitchens but there ya go, that's why i'm a writer. the only drama that happens round here is when my cat walks over the keyboard.)*

*note to self - try to stick to talking about the show and not you all the time.

i also liked the clips of nic last night because he's just wonderful, i adore him. whoever's writing the script for angus' pieces to camera is great, it was really funny last night. nic does remind me of scott tracy, it has to be said. but that's a compliment. alan tracy was the first man i ever fell in love with.

all over, a big round of applause for the entire production team and all the contestants except for jim davidson who remains a complete ars*wipe.

As ever moonsparkle,great post.

Since I loathe and detest Jamie Oliver,I agree with every word attributed to MPW.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a7595...ef-oliver.html

MPW describes Jamie Olivier as a"fat chef with a drum kit" LMAO

oh thank you one and only. i realised last night that i've been referring to "have i got news for you" as "not the nine o clock news" on these threads with reference to angus deaton, and i was so embarrassed i nearly didn't come back here, duh.


thanks for that link. although i've had marco pierre white in my "would like to meet" list on my myspace for over a year, i've had jamie oliver in my "heroes" list. oooh hold on let me check. no, marco's in the "heroes" list too, LOL

just to prove it, here's my heroes list:

"anyone who fights for truth, justice and liberty. harry enfield's yorkshireman character ("ah NOR serfistikayshun ahv BEEEN ta leeds!"), my partner brian, paolo coelho, goya, jamie oliver, boudicca, thomas hardy, oliver reed, william hogarth, theodore gericault, pete care, kieslosvski, caravaggio, joan of arc, gaudi, marilyn monroe, dostoevsky, joe simpson, franz marc, adrian cooper, marco pierre white, velasquez, gabriel garcia marquez."

there. he's above marquez and velasquez so he can't complain.

anyway where was i? yeah jamie oliver. i really admire him for trying to do something about the big companies that have taken over school dinners and have been feeding our children crap for too many years. for that alone he's a hero. but i also like watching him cook. he's just a different type of cook to marco pierre white. it's like, marco pierre white is mikhail baryshnikov, and jamie oliver is a brilliant club dancer. they're both great dancers, but in different ways.


marco took the piss out of a bald man's head when he's thinning on top himself, and accuses jamie of being fat when they both have middle aged spread. i think one has to take marco with a pinch of salt, so to speak. he's just being deliberately obstreperous, like a naughty three year old (raises one eyebrow in a grandmotherly fashion.)

and jamie's faithful to his wife, wink, which makes him a real man.