DOI is one show that ITV have certainly got right, thanks to the class of T&D, and as for copying, well, stay tuned for the BBC to copy the DOI Tour next Spring.

DOI is ITV's biggest and most successful show and has saved it's bacon, plus the daily show Exclusive was much improved last year too. Also DOI's format is used all over the world.

When I stopped bothering with X Factor was the day that Louis chose his vested interest Irish Sisters group over the biggest talent the show has ever had in Maria. That told me what the show is really all about!

Here's a BBC report comparing the 2 shows from Finals Night 2004.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/new...4089433&news=1

{Jill Halfpenny & Darren Bennet and someone you've never heard of since, Steve, won - does that give you a clue?}

SCD is what you might call good old fashioned family entertainment.

I love the live music and singers. Mind you I quite like Karen Hardy too

As for XF....it should be renamed the Simon Cowell Cash Show...Kerching !! I can't do with the bloke !! It makes me feel very uncomfortable watching XF because of the way Cowell treats people with his well rehearsed put-downs.

Also anything with Shaz Oz in has to be missed !!!

Wasn't a version of DOI first shown on BBC ??? I seem to remember David Seaman winning it ??

Don't know how ITV managed to get hold of it ?? Big mistake by the BBC !!

No contest! They're not the same type of show. Presumably the question was only put because this year they'll be on at the same time? So you could say why SCD instead of whatever is on any of the other channels!

X Factor is reality TV which I hate, SCD is people who can actually do something doing something different!

Also having been to the auditions for the first series of X Factor I know how much of a con the whole thing is. They reject good acts (OK I'm biased!) and leave the really bad ones to go through to the third round which is when the show judges first see them. All those cringemaking acts you see on X Factor have passed 2 auditions already - and have only been passed because they'll make good telly.

There was Strictly Ice Dancing on at Christmas 2004, a one-off show that was prerecorded so didn't go out live, and was voted for by the studio audience, and yes, Seaman did win. It was nowhere near as slick or well produced as DOI by ITV, which has surprisingly high production values and alot of money spent on it. The BBC chose not to make it into a series, but by then T&D were already signed up by Granada, and Jayne ceased her commentary duties with BBC Sport. IMO none of the routines on the BBC show were anywhere near the standard of DOI, as it was up to the Pros involved to do it, who are not all used to choreographing, and not as talented as T&D.

Yeah, I heard the same this week from a Mum of one of the contestants. She was equally scathing about what a con on the public XF is.

Errrr no brainer, The X Factor/Pop Idol/any other search for a 'singer' attracts the very worst type of wannabee who was told when they were 5 years old they had a lovely voice, usually in some vain hope by relatives to stop them having to eat their own ears to stop the excrutiating pain caused by the 'noise' that is supposed to be singing.

SCD from the start has a realtively small group of highly motivated professional dancers passing on their skills to again usually highly motivated people who have been successful in their chosen field and don't take losing, being told they are useless very well at all.

Plus the glamour is far better and there are no b****y adverts in the middle of the show......

Right that is for starters...........

Better not some people might be offended cos for some strange reason there are people who like XF/PI/AOSFASC

Yes, but this is the SCD Forum, so naturally we're all fans of the show. If the OP really wanted to hear a load of praise for XF, why pose the question here?

Read "Chart Throb" By Ben Elton

I was so naive, I actually thought they gave Jonnie Average people a chance on the XF & the auditions were "real".
When I found out they sent along their proteges pretending they'd never heard of them & put them through I was shocked. What is also unforgivable is putting god-awful contestants through 2-3 auditions just to make good TV; by showing them up in front of Simon et al I was disgusted when that penny dropped & stopped watching.

Take a look at the X-Factor credits (if you can bear to stoop so low as to watch it!) The theme tune (the one that goes "duh duh du-du-duh duh duh" etc) is apparently "written by" Simon Cowell (and a couple of other names who of course actually wrote it). So why does it give Simon Cowell as a co-writer? Because every time that theme music gets played (every advert break etc etc) he gets a royalty payment. It's absolutely disgraceful, so although we moan about strictly sometimes, remember that 50% of the cost of a phone vote goes straight to Children in Need. However much Brucie and Tess get paid, it's not like the whole show is a moneyspinner for them personally, unlike X-Factor for Cowell.

Also, the whole show on Strictly is family entertainment (as opposed to exploitative trash tv) - it's not messing with (potentially vulnerable) young wannabes' lives - the celebs on Strictly know that it's basically only a bit of fun, not a life changing event!

Class not Crass

The minute Simon Cowell adopted the theme nights (last series) killed the X Factor.

How hard is it trying to sing a Barry Manilow song when your 17, sing it from the heart as though you mean it or Tony Bennet for gawd sake:yawn: these guys had their day in the sun the reason their not about in a big way is cos time passed them by. So what does Simon do dredge up some aging singer/rocker/has been who's only involvement to the show is plugging their lastest best of hits and make some poor wannabee desperado perform like a trained seal.

As an indie kid I don't like the MOR artists X Factor finds but I do have a soft spot for kitsch & sequins so I fell for SCD the first time I saw it. I also absolutely detest the way ITV put complete no-hopers through to be humiliated by the judges & I pretty much associate ITV with tack (rightly or wrongly - I rarely watch anything on ITV at all.)

I love and watch both shows, if they happen to be on at the same time I watch SCD and tape the X-Factor...the reason I do it that way round is I can fast forward the X-F judges who annoy me more then the SCD judges ever do. My favourite show of the year is DOI .

Strictly: Kitsch, glitzy, glamorous, slightly tongue in cheek show starring celebs who know the score (or should do), with charitable intentions.

X Factor: desperate wannabes singing dodgy cover versions in an attempt to win favour with a bloke who will take every opportunity to make a fast buck from them rather than nurture a proper career.

I'm more of a singing fan than a dancing fan, so should prefer X Factor, but over the years, since the early, "innocent" Popstars and Pop Idol days, it has become so contrived and year after year it has become more about a ratings winner for ITV and less about the first stage of someone's singing career. I got bored with the early auditions a few years ago, because there are only so many times I can laugh at someone singing badly, and the dramatic pauses don't seem dramatic, they seem fake. I started to record the live shows to watch back without the bits that annoyed me, and before long, I found I was fast-forwarding through most of it.

I'm sure Simon Cowell wants the people he signs to sell a lot of records, but the show is where his heart is.

I'm not a massive, massive SCD fan, but no-one is fooled into thinking that SCD is anything more than a tv show.

I got hooked on SCD because of the glamour. The first series I watched was S2 and the whole thing had a class which I hadn't seen for a long time on TV. It was so different to anything else around. It is a good, old-fashioned, family entertainment show. I love that it features pros and celebrities - I don't watch the other one involving members of the public.

The dresses, the dances, the glitter, the glitz...and wow...S2 final at Blackpool was just amazing! It's not quite as good now as it was back then but it's still the only TV programme that I watch!

Well put La Rhumba

SCD is streets ahead of X-Factor but that is only in my household

Der Chef says

Whats so new or interesting about the X factor its nothing really different from "Opportunity Knocks" circa 1967

Also I would sooner not spend my saturdays watching wannabees from the "dog and duck karaoke machine" going

"LOVE ME LOVE ME PLLLLLLEEEEASSSSE LOVE ME"



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