Did u watch your CRT "Close Up"? who on earth watches TV that way?

Who are these people that sit with their nose pressed against an LCD screen and how do they have time to watch TV with all the time they must spend in the eye hospital.

knowledgeable maybe but Obviously cant display to you a decent SD image from one of the top 3 manufactures :yawn:

what where they doing reading off cards??

like i said again go-to a proper place to view.

Dal

Thats your opinion and you have seen mine thats the joys of fourms we get to voice them

Dal

You don't mention the critical point! - how large was his old set, and how large is his new set?.

That why my question as well, we sit 9-10 feet away from our 42"plasma which is the same distance we sat from our 32"CRT not by choice thats just the make up of our living room.

Sure from 2 feet with Std Def our screen looks a bit grainy but from our normal 9-10 feet away our PDP looks better than the CRT .

well, sort of - but my point was that if you watch from sufficient distance, the picture isn't crap.

Iain

That's usually the problem!.


That's about right for SD - you really need to be closer though for HD.

that sounds about right - i had thought that 40" set would be great, but no realise that 32" would be more than sufficient. (we currently have a 28", and view from about 10 feet.)

i think as well, now that sets are so big, it's deceptive looking at them in shops. a 32" set next to ll the big 40" + sets doesn't look any bigger than our 28", but seeing a 32" on it's own at my folks, you really notice the difference.

Iain

He replaced his 32" Philips CRT with a 32" Toshiba LCD.

However ,if you change from say a 28" CRT to a 36" CRT and view from the same distance the drop in quality is minimal.

Using the increase in screen size to excuse lcd is not really a good idea because you can switch from a CRT to an LCD of the same size and see the drop -going to a much bigger screen just makes it worse

If the change takes you below the minimum distance you WILL get a noticeable decrease in the picture quality - in that you can see the lines that make up the picture, and the MPEG artifacts if on FreeView.

Take it from someone who has had to hump 36 inch TV's about because it was too small a room, and viewing was too close! (and not once, many times!).


It's no 'excuse', just a simple statement of fact!.

There's a specific minimum viewing distance for SD, if you increase your screen size until it's below that minimum, you will see deficiencies in the picture.

CRT tends to hide it somewhat because of their less sharp picture (as do Plasma to a lesser extent), the sharper picture of an LCD doesn't hide it, but it makes them spectacular on HD, and great on SD - at a suitable viewing distance!.

no - of course not.

but you can still be aware of what it looks like close up, and CRT looks better close up than LCD.

so even from a reasonable distance, where CRT probably starts to look OK, LCD probably doesn't.

AFAICT i understand what people mean when they say LCD can look crap, but only if it's viewed too close up. at a reasonable distance they probably look perfectly OK. and that because viewing ditance is correlated to viewing distance, i would imagine that some people might be disappointed with the picture because they're sitting too close.

Iain

Who are these strange people with charts working out correct viewing distance- the daftest one is "HD" can be viewed closer-Do they really move the settee closer to the screen when viewing?HD?
Flat screens are usually viewed from further away for the simple reason that a flat panel can go about 2 Ft closer to the wall-this is more than compensated for by the larger screen.
Also did you know that an opinion becomes a fact when prefaced by the word "FACT" in capital letters, only my opinion of course!

Well yes actually though only for something that I think will be much better in HD. I would prefer it if the option was allowed to watch SD in a smaller box in the middle of the screen though.

I'm puzzled. Are the LCD fans saying an LCD picture looks as good as a CRT picture, on SD material fed from Sky or Freeview, when judged on the same size screen viewed from the same viewing distance? Only picking LCD here, as the largest CRT screen size is 36" (and there is a comparable 37" LCD screen size), and the smallest plasma tends to be 42".

My personal view is that, yes, the picture can be as good but it depends on the bitrate of the broadcast material and the actual LCD you have. In general I would say that CRT is better overall in that a lower quality CRT will beat a lower quality LCD, but you have to consider the impact in a room of the size of a 32" CRT. For me it is worth the compromise. Plus my LCD is nearly two years old. I saw my brother-in-law's TV the other day and although it cost much less than mine (still a top of the range Panny) the picture quality was considerably better. So, I am converted to LCD happily. Anyway, if I wanted to buy a large, widescreen CRT, where would I go?

You can get 37" plasmas, though a 37" plasma/LCD is around 20% larger than a 36" CRT.

I personally would say that an SD picture on the same size LCD was not as good in most respects as on a CRT though others would disagree, they do have better geometry though.

i'm not a fan either way, but currently the owner of a 10 yr old 28" sony wega considering an LCD at some point in the next 12 months or so.

looking at my folks' 32" here, from a distance of about 10 feet, i'd say the picture is probably about as good as our 28" CRT viewed from a similar distance.

that's using a freeview feed - i'm assuming a feed from cable, fed through a V+ box would improve the picture a bit, as might getting a newer, slightly better set.

Iain

But thats like comparing a photo from a 2 megapixel digital camera with one from a 4 mp camera.

From a distance you wont be able to see the lower quality of the former,but that does not mean its wrong to say the former IS lower quality.

You can watch a 50" plasma set of the most abysmal quality from 30 feet away and it will look fine ,but that does not change the fact that its poor quality does it.

Who are these idiots who think that comparing close up quality means that people are watching full time from that distance?

If the quality is shit then thats the end of it.
Not being able to tell that its shit because you sit far away is not a good enough excuse to justify crap pictures from £1500 tv's

Well said agree 100%!

My argument is why shouldn't they? The LCD/Plasma manufacturers have got to realise that the attraction of the flat screen is not just space occupied but that people expect a "bigger" visual experience. They expect their big flat panel to fill more of their field of view (more cinematic?). Why is it indicated that they sit in the garden and view through the window?

OK it can be argued that this is only possible with HD sources but these are frankly few and far between and if available costly to many.

Viewing distance seems to be the latest answer to the question:

Q:How do I make SD pix look any good on my lcd/plasma?

A:Just sit further and further away and then eventually it will look ok.


Thats all well and good but even 4 foot away a good CRT still gives a good picture.

There's no denying that once HD is the norm then flat panels will be worth buying.

What annoys me are all these jokers who say the SD quality on their LCD is better than it was on their CRT.

Perhaps these are the same people who used to watch incorrectly set up 4:3 pix stretched to 16:9 in composite (not RGB) and say the quality is excellent.


Nigel Goodwin: Like you I've done many an install and you must have been just as shocked as me at what some members of the public will watch and believe is good quality

i had a hitachi 32 inch crt with 50 hz progressive scan and i have not seen a better picture anywhere . lcd plasmas have issues with motion smearing on fast movement and unless fed high quality digital image from dvd or hd box image quality is poor . unless you intend investing in hd stick with crt . get a dvd with thx set up on it and adjust it using disk .

Exactly.

Like 100Hz sets ,flat panel sets also have their own issues with motion blur aswell as viewing angles ,contrast ratios etc.

The technology is miles away from perfection.

The simple maths says its just over 10%?