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Old 25-09-2007, 19:48
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That may well be the case but, surely if it was in the press, it's on the web. You sound rattled....

(You used "And" after a full stop.)
I run a mobile phone store. I get the trade press by subscription. If you want to see if they have online editions then google would be a good place to start.
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Old 25-09-2007, 19:48
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here is the thing about t-mobile http://www.3g.co.uk/3GForum/showthread.php?t=66002
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Old 25-09-2007, 19:50
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I hope this is nonsense; I've just switched from T-Mobile (2G) to Three (3G) and the latter is vastly superior in signal and call quality, not to mention a cheaper contract and faster data. I don't want to end up back with T-Mobile!
Even if there was a sale, the 3 network would probably be sold as an asset to the new owner, along with it's liabilities. I which case it is highly unlikely the consumer would notice any difference in coverage.
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Old 25-09-2007, 19:52
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The sources were last week's mobile trade magazines. As I said. And you spelt rumour wrong.
If Three is growing at the rate of a million new customers a year that's a great thing for a company that only started 4 hours ago.

Voda / O2 etc have had many years to build up their customer bases. Three is now selling mobile internet, the USB broadband could sell in large numbers and boost the company's profits, add to that 1 million a year growth and retail expansion.

£15 a month does not include money paid out for phones, extra expenditure, music downloads, termination costs from other networks etc. ARPU is what matters and termination costs.

I wouldn't write 3 off just yet, it's early days for the company, they struggled a bit for the first couple of years but have made massive improvements recently. They are more competitive because of offshore call centres, lower cost base because of sharing 2g and now mast sharing, and they are growing at probably the fastest rate of any network. 1 million in a year is one hell of a growth, well done to them.
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Old 25-09-2007, 19:55
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If Three is growing at the rate of a million new customers a year that's a great thing for a company that only started 4 hours ago.

Voda / O2 etc have had many years to build up their customer bases. Three is now selling mobile internet, the USB broadband could sell in large numbers and boost the company's profits, add to that 1 million a year growth and retail expansion.

£15 a month does not include money paid out for phones, extra expenditure, music downloads, termination costs from other networks etc. ARPU is what matters and termination costs.

I wouldn't write 3 off just yet, it's early days for the company, they struggled a bit for the first couple of years but have made massive improvements recently. They are more competitive because of offshore call centres, lower cost base because of sharing 2g and now mast sharing, and they are growing at probably the fastest rate of any network. 1 million in a year is one hell of a growth, well done to them.
Makes you wonder why HW want to sell it eh!
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Old 25-09-2007, 19:57
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I run a mobile phone store. I get the trade press by subscription. If you want to see if they have online editions then google would be a good place to start.
It's your facts we are doubting, along with your credibility. Defend it and give us a link.
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Old 25-09-2007, 19:58
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Makes you wonder why HW want to sell it eh!

OMG!!!
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Old 25-09-2007, 20:07
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It's your facts we are doubting, along with your credibility. Defend it and give us a link.
Sod off.
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Old 25-09-2007, 20:29
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I run a mobile phone store..
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Old 25-09-2007, 21:04
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If Three is growing at the rate of a million new customers a year that's a great thing for a company that only started 4 hours ago.

Voda / O2 etc have had many years to build up their customer bases. Three is now selling mobile internet, the USB broadband could sell in large numbers and boost the company's profits, add to that 1 million a year growth and retail expansion.

£15 a month does not include money paid out for phones, extra expenditure, music downloads, termination costs from other networks etc. ARPU is what matters and termination costs.

I wouldn't write 3 off just yet, it's early days for the company, they struggled a bit for the first couple of years but have made massive improvements recently. They are more competitive because of offshore call centres, lower cost base because of sharing 2g and now mast sharing, and they are growing at probably the fastest rate of any network. 1 million in a year is one hell of a growth, well done to them.
Years lol.
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Old 26-09-2007, 09:51
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confirmation 3 is up or sale?

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/cgi-bin/n...EpEEFEzychdnlo
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Old 26-09-2007, 14:18
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Old news, I'm afraid.

There's still no confirmation at this time.

I said it before, I'll say it again - There is currently no evidence to state that 3 UK are up for sale

I'm not saying it's impossible, but until they announce it themselves, it's simply not happening.
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Old 26-09-2007, 14:37
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Old news, I'm afraid.

There's still no confirmation at this time.

I said it before, I'll say it again - There is currently no evidence to state that 3 UK are up for sale

I'm not saying it's impossible, but until they announce it themselves, it's simply not happening.
That's quite a naive view. In big business this kind of thing is usually kept quiet. If they publicly announce that they are up for sale then the share price could be affrected in such a way that it deters potential buyers from starting talks.

I am bemused why you feel you know more than the UK mobile phone press.
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Old 26-09-2007, 14:49
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Just to clarify 3 UK + Ireland have not put on anything like 1 million new customers in the last year.

According to Hutchison Whampoa's interim reports (most recent Aug 2007) they have 4.09 million customers, last year they had 3.75 million. So in a year they have added 234,000 net new customers. The customer acquisition rate has slowed down considerably after a frenzy of expensive giveaway attempted landgrabs in previous years.

The reasons why HWL have to exit the UK are well documented and include lower termination charging which for a long while gave 3 income from other operators that offset the lower number of users they have. Further competition from consolodation and new entrants will make market conditions tougher for 3 and the retreat to reliance on in-house distribution lowers costs but also limits 3's opportunity to gain market share.

Whilst HWL may end up walking away from the UK £5 billion lighter because of the failure of 3, the increase in market confidence and the effect on the core compamy's share price would compensate for the losses and that factor along with the others above will probably result in HWL making a staged exit from the UK mobile sector fairly soon. The sad fact is that 3G didn't offer customers any extras that they were prepared to pay a premium for and that sealed the fate of the network who's whole major selling point was the new technology. To acquire customers 3 UK sold cheaply and the expected new services didn't catch on on. Customer service was also lacklustre (offshore mainly) and has been a open wound for them since 2003.

After all is said and done I don't think HWL deserve any sympathy as they made a fortune from the sale of Orange and chose to gamble a lot of the proceeds of that on another telecoms venture. That in hindsight was a bad gamble as markets have become saturated in Europe but Asia's weathiest man won't be too bothered as he has made up for much of the loss by selling his Indian telco to Vodafone already this year.

BTW: 3 UK is 100% owned by Hutchison Whampoa Ltd as the other investors (NTT DoCoMo and KPN) bailed out nursing huge losses some time ago.
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Old 26-09-2007, 14:52
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I reckon they'd also win the prize of "best network with useless indian callcentre".

Agreed...totally incompetant
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Old 26-09-2007, 17:47
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...I am bemused why you feel you know more than the UK mobile phone press.
Excuse me?!? I have never said that I know more than the mobile phone press!

Anyway, in relation to such mentioned "Mobile Phone Press", you have been asked several times now to post proof, or a source of your claim that 3 are up for sale. You haven't done this. Ergo, it's not true at this time.

If YOU post information as fact, it's only common decency that YOU back it up with evidence.
You have not been able/willing to.

Therefore, I believe that at this moment in time - without proof to the contrary, that it is merely speculation - like when the deal selling 3UK to China Mobile was done and dusted....

That's quite a naive view.....
Oh really? I have read in selected "Press" that Microsoft are subject to an agressive takeover by Primark. I can't be bothered posting the source, but anyone who doesn't believe me is obviously naive...

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That's quite a naive view. In big business this kind of thing is usually kept quiet. If they publicly announce that they are up for sale then the share price could be affrected....
You spelt 'affected' wrong. Pedantic? Perhaps. Perhaps you shouldn't have started it on Post #22 on this very thread.
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Old 26-09-2007, 18:14
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3 since last year have gone from 3.6milion to 4.1milion customers now that was confrmed by them on the news so they are geting more and more customers slowley
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Old 26-09-2007, 18:39
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3 since last year have gone from 3.6milion to 4.1milion customers now that was confrmed by them on the news so they are geting more and more customers slowley
No that is not accurate. I provided figures from HWL's latest interim results above directly from their website and they include Ireland as well as the UK.


Aug 2006 : 3.75 Million
Aug 2007: 4.09 Million

Total increase (year on year) = 340,000

The rate of growth has slowed for sure and it's reckoned at least 20% of the totals are lapsed customers.

Overall the 3 customer base is far too small for a network operator. It's smaller than some MVNO's (like Virgin) and it's growth rate does not suggest it's sustainable.
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Old 26-09-2007, 18:45
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well its good this time last year they where loseing more customers then they where getting so it shows they are keeping customers and getting new ones give it a year and they will have over 5milion.
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Old 26-09-2007, 19:17
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well its good this time last year they where loseing more customers then they where getting so it shows they are keeping customers and getting new ones give it a year and they will have over 5milion.

More rubbish..... 3 have never reported a loss of customers in the UK since they started.

As for 5 million?

Get real...

With far fewer outlets (High Street Dealers) they will achieve a 1 million increase where the previous year with some major retailer support they managed 340,000 - DUH!!

Fantasy!!

Hutchison Whampoa know when the game is up and they will ditch 3 in the UK nicely and run back to China with a boost to their share price that will compensate for the biggest loss ever recorded by a UK company.

That will be the face saving for HWL who have a global perspective. Truth is that the whole 3 nonsense cost HWL dearly and Vodafone now control a large part of the rapidly developing Indian mobile market because HWL had to sell assets to bankroll their Euopean 3G folly. Of course HWL will survive and probably prosper but not with mobile telecoms in Eurpoe.
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Old 26-09-2007, 19:23
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Excuse me?!? I have never said that I know more than the mobile phone press!

Anyway, in relation to such mentioned "Mobile Phone Press", you have been asked several times now to post proof, or a source of your claim that 3 are up for sale. You haven't done this. Ergo, it's not true at this time.

If YOU post information as fact, it's only common decency that YOU back it up with evidence.
You have not been able/willing to.

Therefore, I believe that at this moment in time - without proof to the contrary, that it is merely speculation - like when the deal selling 3UK to China Mobile was done and dusted....

Oh really? I have read in selected "Press" that Microsoft are subject to an agressive takeover by Primark. I can't be bothered posting the source, but anyone who doesn't believe me is obviously naive...

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You spelt 'affected' wrong. Pedantic? Perhaps. Perhaps you shouldn't have started it on Post #22 on this very thread.
Oh dear, you truly are quite sad. Said news about 3 was in ALL of last week's mobile trade press. YOU want to read it your self, then YOU can go find back copies or online editions. Just because YOU haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Do not be so lazy, go find the magazine. And whilst you are at it, grow up a bit eh!
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Old 26-09-2007, 19:45
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why dont you stop talking crap i know people who work for 3 3 did say that they where loseing loads of customers thats why they are offering £1 contracts and very cheap contracts to keep customers they where a few years losing a lot. you dont see other networks offering crazy deals like that.
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Old 26-09-2007, 19:45
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Oh dear, you truly are quite sad. Said news about 3 was in ALL of last week's mobile trade press. YOU want to read it your self, then YOU can go find back copies or online editions. Just because YOU haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Do not be so lazy, go find the magazine. And whilst you are at it, grow up a bit eh!
Oh dear.

I'm sorry but it's good forum etiquette to quote your sources when posting stories. Until you do so it is entirely acceptable for you not to be believed - no matter how many cries you make of "Find it yourself".

I also haven't seen it and I keep my eye on many of the trade websites. So forgive me for asking again but can you please help other readers out and supply a link or at the very least the place that you read it so we can indeed go and find it for ourselves.

Please also refrain from using insults against another FM. It's just really bad... mmmkay?
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Old 26-09-2007, 19:50
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Oh dear.

I'm sorry but it's good forum etiquette to quote your sources when posting stories. Until you do so it is entirely acceptable for you not to be believed - no matter how many cries you make of "Find it yourself".

I also haven't seen it and I keep my eye on many of the trade websites. So forgive me for asking again but can you please help other readers out and supply a link or at the very least the place that you read it so we can indeed go and find it for ourselves.

Please also refrain from using insults against another FM. It's just really bad... mmmkay?
Dear boy. I have said time and time again that I read the trade press. By that I mean magazines. Do I know if these titles have online editions? No I do not. I am NOT going to go searching to see if they have just because you and your pals are too lazy to do so. If the state of the UK phone industry interests you so much do what I did - subscribe to the press and stop asking others to do your leg work for you. Ciao bello.
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Old 26-09-2007, 20:02
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Dear boy. I have said time and time again that I read the trade press. By that I mean magazines. Do I know if these titles have online editions? No I do not. I am NOT going to go searching to see if they have just because you and your pals are too lazy to do so. If the state of the UK phone industry interests you so much do what I did - subscribe to the press and stop asking others to do your leg work for you. Ciao bello.
Don't get your knickers in a twist with me please. Why is it so hard for you to name the publication? It'd be a friendly thing to do and then I can seek it online.

So far my searches have found nothing that says that 3 is up for sale/going to be sold. So I'm afraid I still don't believe you.
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