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3 awarded best network
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chris20
26-09-2007
and if you look in 2005 they had 4milion in 2006 they had 3.6 so they lost a few and now they have 4.1 they have gained a few and have not lost many they are doing very good.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Mobile
Ricardodaforce
26-09-2007
Originally Posted by MacattacK:
“Don't get your knickers in a twist with me please. Why is it so hard for you to name the publication? It'd be a friendly thing to do and then I can seek it online.

So far my searches have found nothing that says that 3 is up for sale/going to be sold. So I'm afraid I still don't believe you.”


Have you considered telling someone who cares?
MacattacK
26-09-2007
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“Have you considered telling someone who cares?”

Good response.

And with that, I bid you and your false (until proven otherwise) claims goodnight.
steve_ludwig
26-09-2007
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“Have you considered telling someone who cares?”

Does mean that you cant name the trade publication because there was no such article?
Mr. X
26-09-2007
Originally Posted by intheknow:
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£15 a month does not include money paid out for phones, extra expenditure, music downloads, termination costs from other networks etc. ARPU is what matters and termination costs.”

I had a free phone, never go over my minutes and never download music or use any of 3's paid-for content services. They must hate me.
Ricardodaforce
26-09-2007
Originally Posted by steve_ludwig:
“Does mean that you cant name the trade publication because there was no such article?”

No, it means I won't play your childish little games.
wavejockglw
26-09-2007
The 'best network' award has to do with content and that is a failed aspect of the 3G business plan for 3 - so nothing much of a victory sadly for 3.

And the award was not made by votes from users.. it was a gimmie by a magazine panel... nuff said.
wavejockglw
26-09-2007
Originally Posted by Mr. X:
“I had a free phone, never go over my minutes and never download music or use any of 3's paid-for content services. They must hate me.”

NO... You are simply 1 of 1000's that proved the 3 business model did not work.

I did likewise and got as much as I could from their disfunctional network for 12 months, never paid for any downloads or went outwith my allowance and got all my cash back. Pretty useless phone free for a year with lots of annoying calls cut off and texts gone missing - but it was free... worthless... and so was the customer service which is why their retention was futile.

A bargain is only useful if it works!

3 UK is a dead duck thanks to misguided faith in the benefits of 3G technology, thinking that cheap = customers will accept rubbish offshore customer support, and that cheap = customers will be happy to accept a poorer level of service.

Bye Bye Hutchison.. your 2003 3G gamble in the UK was a BIG miastake.
c3pod4qp
26-09-2007
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“Have you considered telling someone who cares?”

I must remember never to visit your shop. I'll recognise it because it will be devoid of customers.
steve_ludwig
26-09-2007
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“No, it means I won't play your childish little games.”


I'm not playing childish games, that was my first post in this thread; I'm just asking for you to provde a link to your source or state your source.

Since you havent done that and are now hiding behind a cloak of mock outrage and exasperation, I shall assume you dont have a source and its pure speculation.
Ricardodaforce
26-09-2007
Originally Posted by steve_ludwig:
“I'm not playing childish games, that was my first post in this thread; I'm just asking for you to provde a link to your source or state your source.

Since you havent done that and are now hiding behind a cloak of mock outrage and exasperation, I shall assume you dont have a source and its pure speculation.”

Good for you Steve. You have my admiration. Top man!
c3pod4qp
26-09-2007
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“Good for you Steve. You have my admiration. Top man!”

You should run a comic book store.
Mr Cable
26-09-2007
Originally Posted by rwn72:
“You should run a comic book store.”

Naah, 'cos he'd CLAIM his best stuff would be outside of the shop and while he'd invite his customers to go find it - he wouldn't actually tell them where exactly and berate them for the pleasure.

After a short period of searching (even though it's not their job), customers would lose faith and see there was no truth in his claims, get bored, and the shop'd go bust.
Ricardodaforce
26-09-2007
Originally Posted by Mr Cable:
“Naah, 'cos he'd CLAIM his best stuff would be outside of the shop and while he'd invite his customers to go find it - he wouldn't actually tell them where exactly and berate them for the pleasure.

After a short period of searching (even though it's not their job), customers would lose faith and see there was no truth in his claims, get bored, and the shop'd go bust.”

Excellent. Are you a scriptwriter?
steve_ludwig
26-09-2007
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“Good for you Steve. You have my admiration. Top man!”


You are just like a reed blowing in the wind
c3pod4qp
26-09-2007
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“Excellent. Are you a scriptwriter?”

Excellent riposte. Do you read imaginary articles and run a fictional mobile phone store? I expect you do.
dreamypuma
26-09-2007
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“Excellent. Are you a scriptwriter?”

Anyone ever heard of Baron Munchausen?
Ricardodaforce
27-09-2007
Originally Posted by rwn72:
“Excellent riposte. Do you read imaginary articles and run a fictional mobile phone store? I expect you do.”


Yes on both counts. Rumbled again. If it wasn't for those pesky forummers.....
Ricardodaforce
27-09-2007
To Macattack, Dreamypuma et al, ie all those of you lazy fools who accused me of lying. Remember I told you not to be so lazy and to find what I had read yourself? It took me less than 30 seconds to find one of the articles online, the one from Mobile Today. Remember, Mobile Today is but one magazine in a plethora of weekly titles aimed that the UK mobile phone trade. The others ran similar stories.

"3 and T-Mobile in network share deal
10:30AM Mon 17 September 2007


3 and T-Mobile are poised to enter a network share deal, which could save millions in masts and base stations.

It is believed the two companies are in the early stages of discussions, having agreed preliminary terms.

Both networks have placed considerable importance on having HSDPA at the centre of their plans. Sharing the infrastructure costs would not only generate huge savings, but would also accelerate the rollout of the network to the target of 98% coverage.

The deal mirrors the arrangement between Orange and Vodafone announced in February this year with the two companies agreeing to share the burden of expanding their 3G networks.

3 and T-Mobile are already reckoned to lead the market with their 3G reach in the UK, with 90% and 85% population coverage respectively. Consolidation would push the companies way past Orange and Vodafone.

A deal between 3 and T-Mobile would leave O2 as the only network without a partner to share network costs.

Rene Obermann, CEO of Deutsch Telekom (T-Mobile's parent company), hinted at network consolidation last month, describing it as 'a perfectly logical and sensible move', in reference to one of T-Mobile's other European markets.

Both operators will have to convince Ofcom that they will remain competitive despite the potential deal.

Obermann said: 'Regulators should accept there is a need to make more efficient use of capital-intense resources for both economic and ecological reasons.'

T-Mobile remains the most likely bidder for 3, which has been up for sale for some time. 3 is currently valued at around £4bn, with around four million customers (largely on contracts).
Parent company Hutchison Whampoa is pulling back from pumping money into 3, leaving it with fewer resources to compete against bigger players. An acquisition from T-Mobile would bring a combined entity up to the level of Vodafone, Orange and O2, with many predicting a less-competitive market.

Some analysts see the network share deal as a stepping stone to an acquisition from the German-owned company."[/
I]

I feel somewhat annoyed at myself that I let your pathetic bullying attempts move me to find one of the articles for you. Why none of you have the wits about you to do it yourself is beyond me. What you are good at is accusing me of lying and just being pathetic. I told you the mobile phone press were stating that T-Mobile were likely buyers of 3. You told me I made up that story. I didn't, the above is verbatim from Mobile Today.
I accept your apologies.
You can doubt the veraicty of these articles all you want. But the fact is, the UK mobile press are stating that 3 is up for sale, and that T-Mobile is likely to buy it. If you don't like the story little men take it up with the media - not me.
Now run along and tuck your shirt in.
steve_ludwig
27-09-2007
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“To Macattack, Dreamypuma et al, ie all those of you lazy fools who accused me of lying. Remember I told you not to be so lazy and to find what I had read yourself? It took me less than 30 seconds to find one of the articles online, the one from Mobile Today. Remember, Mobile Today is but one magazine in a plethora of weekly titles aimed that the UK mobile phone trade. The others ran similar stories.

"3 and T-Mobile in network share deal
10:30AM Mon 17 September 2007


3 and T-Mobile are poised to enter a network share deal, which could save millions in masts and base stations.

It is believed the two companies are in the early stages of discussions, having agreed preliminary terms.

Both networks have placed considerable importance on having HSDPA at the centre of their plans. Sharing the infrastructure costs would not only generate huge savings, but would also accelerate the rollout of the network to the target of 98% coverage.

The deal mirrors the arrangement between Orange and Vodafone announced in February this year with the two companies agreeing to share the burden of expanding their 3G networks.

3 and T-Mobile are already reckoned to lead the market with their 3G reach in the UK, with 90% and 85% population coverage respectively. Consolidation would push the companies way past Orange and Vodafone.

A deal between 3 and T-Mobile would leave O2 as the only network without a partner to share network costs.

Rene Obermann, CEO of Deutsch Telekom (T-Mobile's parent company), hinted at network consolidation last month, describing it as 'a perfectly logical and sensible move', in reference to one of T-Mobile's other European markets.

Both operators will have to convince Ofcom that they will remain competitive despite the potential deal.

Obermann said: 'Regulators should accept there is a need to make more efficient use of capital-intense resources for both economic and ecological reasons.'

T-Mobile remains the most likely bidder for 3, which has been up for sale for some time. 3 is currently valued at around £4bn, with around four million customers (largely on contracts).
Parent company Hutchison Whampoa is pulling back from pumping money into 3, leaving it with fewer resources to compete against bigger players. An acquisition from T-Mobile would bring a combined entity up to the level of Vodafone, Orange and O2, with many predicting a less-competitive market.

Some analysts see the network share deal as a stepping stone to an acquisition from the German-owned company."[/I]

I feel somewhat annoyed at myself that I let your pathetic bullying attempts move me to find one of the articles for you. Why none of you have the wits about you to do it yourself is beyond me. What you are good at is accusing me of lying and just being pathetic. I told you the mobile phone press were stating that T-Mobile were likely buyers of 3. You told me I made up that story. I didn't, the above is verbatim from Mobile Today.
I accept your apologies.
You can doubt the veraicty of these articles all you want. But the fact is, the UK mobile press are stating that 3 is up for sale, and that T-Mobile is likely to buy it. If you don't like the story little men take it up with the media - not me.
Now run along and tuck your shirt in.”



I think most people here just found it highly comical and puzzling that you were not disclosing the source of your story. Normally when people make statements like yours, they post a link or give information about the source.

Its just the adult thing to do
tn2000
27-09-2007
Originally Posted by wavejockglw:
“ = customers will accept rubbish offshore customer support, and that cheap = customers will be happy to accept a poorer level of service.

Bye Bye Hutchison.. your 2003 3G gamble in the UK was a BIG miastake.”

An ex-pat mate living and working in the Philippines tells me the call centre industry is migrating further East from India for cheaper labour. It has already started in the Philippines and he expects it to end up in China. He also mentioned the Philippines have more of an American influence on its culture and spoken and written English. We may end up with even worse call centres in the near future.
steve_ludwig
27-09-2007
Originally Posted by tn2000:
“An ex-pat mate living and working in the Philippines tells me the call centre industry is migrating further East from India for cheaper labour. It has already started in the Philippines and he expects it to end up in China. He also mentioned the Philippines have more of an American influence on its culture and spoken and written English. We may end up with even worse call centres in the near future.”


Tell me about it. 2 failed appointments for an engineer to visit me and everytime I have to make half a dozen calls to BT foreign call centres.

Its time UK companies stopped using foreign call centres
steve_ludwig
27-09-2007
Originally Posted by Ricardodaforce:
“Hello you sanctimonious old fool. I never once lied in a post. I told you what was reported in the trade press and you refused to believe that such reports existed. I cave in and prove you wrong and you still harp on like the whining old nowitall that you are. Do you know more about mobile comms than the rest of us? I doubt it. Now get off your high horse and stop being a prick.”



Not a very nice post
Ricardodaforce
27-09-2007
Originally Posted by steve_ludwig:
“Not a very nice post”


Indeed and I have been warned about it by DS.
tn2000
27-09-2007
At one point 3 were glueing the sim cards into some of their pre-pay phones, are they still doing this?
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