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Major bug discovered after burning DVD from Toppy edited files
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cookie_365
26-09-2007
Originally Posted by ianmoticon:
“Thanks cookie. My reception is excellent. Unfortunately I'm a really busy guy and don't have time to do an in-depth investigation. I don't want to take 2 software packages into the shower. I just want to record-and-go.”

You don't really seem that busy from looking at your flood of comedy posts on this and other threads - maybe you have a PA to type them for you?
Hal_loe
27-09-2007
Originally Posted by nwhitfield:
“If Womble can't handle MPEG files with data breaks and timecode problems, that is Womble's fault. It is NOT the fault of the Toppy - you get that sort of problem with lots of sources of MPEG data, for lots of reasons, including edits, broadcast glitches, bad disk sectors and others.”

Here is some evidence that it is entirely a Womble fault...

I always roughly top and tail the files on the Toppy.

I then convert them to .M2P and remove any additional tracks not required using ProjectX.

Then using PVAStrumento I convert to .MPG (PS file).

Then I accurately edit the .MPG file using Womble MPEG Video Wizard, which has no problems that I have found with the files at this stage.

Then I burn a DVD using TMPGEnc DVD Author v1.6. This produces a good looking DVD with the menus with I have saved previously.

To me this demonstrates that it is a Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD problem, just the same as the way early versions of VideoRedo gave big audio sync problems whenever I tried to use it directly on .REC files.

Hope that helps.
Bonburton
27-09-2007
Originally Posted by ianmoticon:
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Major bug discovered after burning DVD from Toppy edited files

.........

Is this bug being addressed?”

Are you a Sun reader ?
KennyT
27-09-2007
I just wonder if there's a difference depending on the channel that was recorded. Using HDTV2MPEG, I've never had any issues with any BBC programmes. But I do remember having some failures with something from ITV2, yonks ago.

So, Ian, were you editing a "64QAM" channel when you had your problems?

K
mossy2103
27-09-2007
Originally Posted by KennyT:
“I just wonder if there's a difference depending on the channel that was recorded. Using HDTV2MPEG, I've never had any issues with any BBC programmes. But I do remember having some failures with something from ITV2, yonks ago.”

People have also reported having problems with some C4 channels (amongst others) when editing (from many sources), as they seem to use a non-standard GOP rate, and the application does not cope with it very well.
cookie_365
27-09-2007
Originally Posted by KennyT:
“I just wonder if there's a difference depending on the channel that was recorded. Using HDTV2MPEG, I've never had any issues with any BBC programmes. But I do remember having some failures with something from ITV2, yonks ago.

So, Ian, were you editing a "64QAM" channel when you had your problems?

K”

I actually use Womble too, and have found that Channel 5 always needs a demux before importing into Woble.

I stick with Womble because I like the editor over TMPGenc (though I use that for the DVD creation side of things), it's just a pain having to demux all the time
Hal_loe
28-09-2007
Originally Posted by cookie_365:
“I actually use Womble too, and have found that Channel 5 always needs a demux before importing into Womble.

I stick with Womble because I like the editor over TMPGenc (though I use that for the DVD creation side of things), it's just a pain having to demux all the time”

Hi

If you read the method I use HERE there is no need to demux. I have converted lots of episodes of House from Five without any problems.

Hope that helps.
simoncapewell
28-09-2007
You're demuxing when you use projectX to convert to rec to m2p.
Hal_loe
28-09-2007
Originally Posted by simoncapewell:
“You're demuxing when you use projectX to convert to rec to m2p.”

Yes partially because I remove the extra audio and subtitles streams not fully so you end up with separate audio and video streams...
cookie_365
28-09-2007
Originally Posted by Hal_loe:
“Hi

If you read the method I use HERE there is no need to demux. I have converted lots of episodes of House from Five without any problems.

Hope that helps.”

Err, what?

Not only are you demuxing with projectx, but you're adding an extra step too in PVAS.
Hal_loe
29-09-2007
Originally Posted by cookie_365:
“Err, what?

Not only are you demuxing with projectx, but you're adding an extra step too in PVAS.”

I might be adding extra stages but this is the only proceedure that I have found that correctly sets the bitrate for the video. Rather than having the 15000 Kbps bitrate which all DVB recordings incorrectly give.

It's mostly based on the guide on the Topfield forum Making DVDs with ProjectX and Nero (Windows) by malc.
ianmoticon
09-10-2007
Originally Posted by KennyT:
“I just wonder if there's a difference depending on the channel that was recorded. Using HDTV2MPEG, I've never had any issues with any BBC programmes. But I do remember having some failures with something from ITV2, yonks ago.

So, Ian, were you editing a "64QAM" channel when you had your problems?

K”

I'm not sure. To be honest, I've given up in recent weeks. However, I see that Womble has a correction feature which I'll try to run if I experience the problem again. I've already tried it on one file, but it didn't really work - it corrected the start of the movie, but the end was chopped off in the process.
figrin_dan
11-10-2007
Why would anyone EXPECT to create a DVD-Video file from a .rec file and then complain that they are incapable of doing it? There is nothing in the manual to suggest this is possible so why should Topfield address this non-issue?
R2-D2
11-10-2007
Well, it's apparently fixed in the TF5815. The editing suite now rivals production editors, and they claim the fastest "scrubber" in the PVR market. However, fixing all the PCR packets and associated info in an edited file (to ensure broken 3rd party software isn't inconvenienced) does take about half an hour for a normal length film.
mossy2103
11-10-2007
Originally Posted by R2-D2:
“Well, it's apparently fixed in the TF5815. The editing suite now rivals production editors, and they claim the fastest "scrubber" in the PVR market. However, fixing all the PCR packets and associated info in an edited file (to ensure broken 3rd party software isn't inconvenienced) does take about half an hour for a normal length film.”

Half an hour? Jeez, this is the 21st century, and as everyone has got super-fast 100meg broadband connections where they can download a complete feature film in less than 1 minute, who's going to hang around for half an hour? Do TF8515 owners want their friends & neighbours laughing at them behind their backs at such an antiquated PVR? They will be the laughing-stock of the street.

Another really serious flaw in the TF5815.
KennyT
11-10-2007
Of course, sometime in the future there will be a 5815 and some poor sod will google for it and come across these threads...

K
Hal_loe
12-10-2007
Originally Posted by figrin_dan:
“Why would anyone EXPECT to create a DVD-Video file from a .rec file and then complain that they are incapable of doing it? There is nothing in the manual to suggest this is possible so why should Topfield address this non-issue?”

Exactly it's not a Topfield problem but the writers of the editing software, in this case Womble.
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