All I can say is thank god they gave Len the casting vote. At least the best dancer will go through out of the 2
Results show moves to Sunday
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Well, I just get more depressed the more I read about this.
It seems that the media fuss is about the judges getting the final say.
Whilst this is a probably a poor decision and will take away from the show, it is nothing compared to the destruction of the show by running it non-live on Sundays.
It seems that the media fuss is about the judges getting the final say.
Whilst this is a probably a poor decision and will take away from the show, it is nothing compared to the destruction of the show by running it non-live on Sundays.
Originally Posted by ITMA:
“Well, I just get more depressed the more I read about this.
It seems that the media fuss is about the judges getting the final say.
Whilst this is a probably a poor decision and will take away from the show, it is nothing compared to the destruction of the show by running it non-live on Sundays.”
“Well, I just get more depressed the more I read about this.
It seems that the media fuss is about the judges getting the final say.
Whilst this is a probably a poor decision and will take away from the show, it is nothing compared to the destruction of the show by running it non-live on Sundays.”
They're not likely to say "Oh and by the way, we'll be leaking the results to you!"
Originally Posted by rita1:
“I posted my concerns about the schedule changes on BBC's Points of View bulletin board this morning. So far only two people have reacted. Either this wider audience doesn't care, or people will only understand what's happening when it hits them.”
“I posted my concerns about the schedule changes on BBC's Points of View bulletin board this morning. So far only two people have reacted. Either this wider audience doesn't care, or people will only understand what's happening when it hits them.”
Just been back on the points of view webpage and there is another thread about this disaster on there as well as yours and it has had a lot of responses so people are bothered
Originally Posted by andiep:
“Just been back on the points of view webpage and there is another thread about this disaster on there as well as yours and it has had a lot of responses so people are bothered”
“Just been back on the points of view webpage and there is another thread about this disaster on there as well as yours and it has had a lot of responses so people are bothered”
I've just seen that too andiep. It's obviously better worded than mine, as more people have responded. As long as they do, that's all that matters.
Originally Posted by ITMA:
“Well, I just get more depressed the more I read about this.
It seems that the media fuss is about the judges getting the final say.
Whilst this is a probably a poor decision and will take away from the show, it is nothing compared to the destruction of the show by running it non-live on Sundays.”
“Well, I just get more depressed the more I read about this.
It seems that the media fuss is about the judges getting the final say.
Whilst this is a probably a poor decision and will take away from the show, it is nothing compared to the destruction of the show by running it non-live on Sundays.”
I agree ITMA. It is the loss of freshness and momentum that will be the real problem. I hope sincerely that the viewing figures are low on Sundays, so that the BBC make the decision to return to the way things were.
They thing that annoys me is people always bring up Spoony leaving early. The reason Spoony left so early was because people didn't vote for him.
Can't say I'm that bothered by the changes. Compared to last year proceedings it's not going to make a huge difference to how much I enjoy the show.
There'll be something decent to watch on Sundays (even if it's not live).
Time after time I've disagreed with the public vote so if the judges choose so, for me, it can only be just as bad or better. One downside is that the pro's may feel under pressure to please judges, like doing "filthy" and non "airy-fairy" rumbas
Really I'd like a complete change of the judges but that ain't gonna happen!
What do the BBC usually have on Sundays that gets crap viewing figures, I thought it was Last of the Summer Wine and that does quite well.
Maybe they are changing the voting because before they were fixing the votes now they can't so they've given power to the judges (that's just a random guess!) Hah!
eta: I don't think there will be a huge difference in the public voting anyway. The bottom 2 couples are not the public favourites so there shouldn't be much outrage whoever goes out.
There'll be something decent to watch on Sundays (even if it's not live).
Time after time I've disagreed with the public vote so if the judges choose so, for me, it can only be just as bad or better. One downside is that the pro's may feel under pressure to please judges, like doing "filthy" and non "airy-fairy" rumbas
Really I'd like a complete change of the judges but that ain't gonna happen!
What do the BBC usually have on Sundays that gets crap viewing figures, I thought it was Last of the Summer Wine and that does quite well.
Maybe they are changing the voting because before they were fixing the votes now they can't so they've given power to the judges (that's just a random guess!) Hah!
eta: I don't think there will be a huge difference in the public voting anyway. The bottom 2 couples are not the public favourites so there shouldn't be much outrage whoever goes out.
I don't know what to think, as much as I like the judges they can act very biased... And some of the dancers that dance really badly one week or in one type (either the ballroom or latin) will be voted out because the judges didn't like them whereas they would have been saved by the public and then produced better the week after... And what if they danced really well but the judges just don't like them... I guess either way public or judges I'd be complaining 
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Originally Posted by Kaos:
“I don't know what to think, as much as I like the judges they can act very biased... And some of the dancers that dance really badly one week or in one type (either the ballroom or latin) will be voted out because the judges didn't like them whereas they would have been saved by the public and then produced better the week after... And what if they danced really well but the judges just don't like them... I guess either way public or judges I'd be complaining...”
“I don't know what to think, as much as I like the judges they can act very biased... And some of the dancers that dance really badly one week or in one type (either the ballroom or latin) will be voted out because the judges didn't like them whereas they would have been saved by the public and then produced better the week after... And what if they danced really well but the judges just don't like them... I guess either way public or judges I'd be complaining
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If it's the public at large I can accept it much better, if it's just 4 people or even as the case maybe just 2 deciding, then it's completely undemocratic in my view.
After all, we are paying for the wretched thing, and we should be entitled in the end to decide who stays and who goes, for better or worse.
Originally Posted by nancy1975:
“If it's the public at large I can accept it much better, if it's just 4 people or even as the case maybe just 2 deciding, then it's completely undemocratic in my view.
After all, we are paying for the wretched thing, and we should be entitled in the end to decide who stays and who goes, for better or worse.”
“If it's the public at large I can accept it much better, if it's just 4 people or even as the case maybe just 2 deciding, then it's completely undemocratic in my view.
After all, we are paying for the wretched thing, and we should be entitled in the end to decide who stays and who goes, for better or worse.”
I completely agree with you nancy, the public should be allowed to vote for who they like to keep in the competition not just have 4 people to do this for us.
My reasons for why Spoony left is because he did come across as a bit arrogant and big headed, also there wasn't really much of a partnership there when all the attention was all on Ola. Compared to other partnerships in last series like Louisa and Vincent plus Mark and Karen, Ray and Camilla's partnership was a bit dull and bland in comparison. This is probably the same reason why Emma and Darren was in the bottom 2 a few times, they just didn't seem to gel as a partnership properly.
I feel disappointed that the BBC have taken this new format, no longer shall we see any entertainers or any 'journeymen' like Matt Dawson or Julian Clary progressing through the competition. I think the BBC have forgotten that it's the public that watch the show and not all of the public are dance experts, and heaven forbid some would like to watch Strictly as purely an 'entertainment' show!
Originally Posted by Brunorama:
“I completely agree with you nancy, the public should be allowed to vote for who they like to keep in the competition not just have 4 people to do this for us.
My reasons for why Spoony left is because he did come across as a bit arrogant and big headed, also there wasn't really much of a partnership there when all the attention was all on Ola. Compared to other partnerships in last series like Louisa and Vincent plus Mark and Karen, Ray and Camilla's partnership was a bit dull and bland in comparison. This is probably the same reason why Emma and Darren was in the bottom 2 a few times, they just didn't seem to gel as a partnership properly.
I feel disappointed that the BBC have taken this new format, no longer shall we see any entertainers or any 'journeymen' like Matt Dawson or Julian Clary progressing through the competition. I think the BBC have forgotten that it's the public that watch the show and not all of the public are dance experts, and heaven forbid some would like to watch Strictly as purely an 'entertainment' show!”
“I completely agree with you nancy, the public should be allowed to vote for who they like to keep in the competition not just have 4 people to do this for us.
My reasons for why Spoony left is because he did come across as a bit arrogant and big headed, also there wasn't really much of a partnership there when all the attention was all on Ola. Compared to other partnerships in last series like Louisa and Vincent plus Mark and Karen, Ray and Camilla's partnership was a bit dull and bland in comparison. This is probably the same reason why Emma and Darren was in the bottom 2 a few times, they just didn't seem to gel as a partnership properly.
I feel disappointed that the BBC have taken this new format, no longer shall we see any entertainers or any 'journeymen' like Matt Dawson or Julian Clary progressing through the competition. I think the BBC have forgotten that it's the public that watch the show and not all of the public are dance experts, and heaven forbid some would like to watch Strictly as purely an 'entertainment' show!”
Totally right. I voted 3 times for Peter in Samba week as thought he embodied the spirit of the show and I didn't like the way Ray moaned all the time. Why should I have voted for him? And Spoony talked himself out of it.
The best dancers have pretty much always ended up in the final/won in the end so I can't see the issue which particular week somebody goes in the series. If Arlene had had her way last series on week 5, Matt would have gone out.
Originally Posted by nancy1975:
“The best dancers have pretty much always ended up in the final/won in the end so I can't see the issue which particular week somebody goes in the series. If Arlene had had her way last series on week 5, Matt would have gone out.”
“The best dancers have pretty much always ended up in the final/won in the end so I can't see the issue which particular week somebody goes in the series. If Arlene had had her way last series on week 5, Matt would have gone out.”
Matt wasn't in the bottom two in week five (it was Jan and Claire). His journey would have been safe up to the semi final, when the judges would have picked Emma over him.
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“Matt wasn't in the bottom two in week five (it was Jan and Claire). His journey would have been safe up to the semi final, when the judges would have picked Emma over him.”
“Matt wasn't in the bottom two in week five (it was Jan and Claire). His journey would have been safe up to the semi final, when the judges would have picked Emma over him.”
Sorry, yes you are right.
Matt was never in the bottom 2 until then, and of course it would have been Emma. But my point is that the judges are not infallible in who will make the most progress/ in getting to final/give best performances etc, and shouldn't be given this say.
If the judges are to be given the casting vote then I really believe the programme should NOT have an eviction the first week AND have both the men and women doing a proper dance - that way they will get to see everyone doing both a latin AND ballroom dance AND will be able to judge whether people have progressed from the first week.
After all in the first week many of the contestants will be very nervous and therefore might not put in the kind of performance they're capable of. There is every chance that someone who has the capability to go on to be an excellent dancer will be evicted before their time purely through nerves.
After all in the first week many of the contestants will be very nervous and therefore might not put in the kind of performance they're capable of. There is every chance that someone who has the capability to go on to be an excellent dancer will be evicted before their time purely through nerves.
Originally Posted by Puffle:
“If the judges are to be given the casting vote then I really believe the programme should NOT have an eviction the first week AND have both the men and women doing a proper dance - that way they will get to see everyone doing both a latin AND ballroom dance AND will be able to judge whether people have progressed from the first week.
After all in the first week many of the contestants will be very nervous and therefore might not put in the kind of performance they're capable of. There is every chance that someone who has the capability to go on to be an excellent dancer will be evicted before their time purely through nerves.”
“If the judges are to be given the casting vote then I really believe the programme should NOT have an eviction the first week AND have both the men and women doing a proper dance - that way they will get to see everyone doing both a latin AND ballroom dance AND will be able to judge whether people have progressed from the first week.
After all in the first week many of the contestants will be very nervous and therefore might not put in the kind of performance they're capable of. There is every chance that someone who has the capability to go on to be an excellent dancer will be evicted before their time purely through nerves.”
As in DWTS, as they don't have an eviction first week either.
Originally Posted by nancy1975:
“As in DWTS, as they don't have an eviction first week either.”
“As in DWTS, as they don't have an eviction first week either.”
Exactly! Surely the programme is big enough in the UK to carry viewers forward to the following week without the need for the 'drama' of an eviction on the first night?
Last edited by Puffle : 27-09-2007 at 16:46
Originally Posted by nancy1975:
“Sorry, yes you are right. Matt was never in the bottom 2 until then, and of course it would have been Emma. But my point is that the judges are not infallible in who will make the most progress/ in getting to final/give best performances etc, and shouldn't be given this say.”
“Sorry, yes you are right.
Matt was never in the bottom 2 until then, and of course it would have been Emma. But my point is that the judges are not infallible in who will make the most progress/ in getting to final/give best performances etc, and shouldn't be given this say.”
Any opportunity for me to stick up for Matt!
And as a general point you are right- if Matt had been in the bottom two against Jan, I bet Arlene at least would have said Matt had come as far as he could. Yet only a week later he had completely transformed, and two weeks later Arlene was describing him as "absolutely phenomenal". The judges don't necessarily know best. Neither does the public of course...
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“Any opportunity for me to stick up for Matt!
And as a general point you are right- if Matt had been in the bottom two against Jan, I bet Arlene at least would have said Matt had come as far as he could. Yet only a week later he had completely transformed, and two weeks later Arlene was describing him as "absolutely phenomenal". The judges don't necessarily know best. Neither does the public of course...”
“Any opportunity for me to stick up for Matt!
And as a general point you are right- if Matt had been in the bottom two against Jan, I bet Arlene at least would have said Matt had come as far as he could. Yet only a week later he had completely transformed, and two weeks later Arlene was describing him as "absolutely phenomenal". The judges don't necessarily know best. Neither does the public of course...”
Of course not but the public 'usually' can see when somebody has potential and has more to give and Matt proved it. Also they weren't fooled by the over hyping of Emma.
Not saying the public are always right (we are talking about a disembodied mass here) but I can more happily accept a decision made by a million or so than just 4 or perhaps 2 people who more often than not have an axe to grind.
I think the public vote is for who we want to see- a mixture of dancing, personality, pro dancer, journey, swivelling hips 
etc.
Surely that's a good thing as far as ratings go? Loads of people on DS swore they wouldn't watch the final last year if Mark was knocked out, yet if he had been in the bottom two with Emma the judges might have eliminated him (I don't think they would have after the AT but otherwise they might). So then they would have had their "best dancer" in the final, but people wouldn't have been as interested in watching it.
etc.Surely that's a good thing as far as ratings go? Loads of people on DS swore they wouldn't watch the final last year if Mark was knocked out, yet if he had been in the bottom two with Emma the judges might have eliminated him (I don't think they would have after the AT but otherwise they might). So then they would have had their "best dancer" in the final, but people wouldn't have been as interested in watching it.
No, No, NO!! This is sooo wrong BBC 
If they'd done this last year Matt Dawson would never have made it past the first couple of weeks and we would never have seen his battle or the complete turn around in his mindset to actually enjoy dancing. Come to that, I think it's unlikely that Darren Gough would have made it through to the final thinking back to his earlier rounds.
Part of what makes this show so good is watching the really rubbish dancers progress - that's what made me believe that I could give dancing a go.
The only way they could make this work is if the judges don't vote initally and not give them two votes
As for recording it on saturday and putting it out on the sunday that's just stupid - more pro-dancing aside (the only benifit to this idea) think I'd prefer Claudia to have the honour of revealing whose out on ITT on Monday - at least that goes out live.
If they'd done this last year Matt Dawson would never have made it past the first couple of weeks and we would never have seen his battle or the complete turn around in his mindset to actually enjoy dancing. Come to that, I think it's unlikely that Darren Gough would have made it through to the final thinking back to his earlier rounds.
Part of what makes this show so good is watching the really rubbish dancers progress - that's what made me believe that I could give dancing a go.
The only way they could make this work is if the judges don't vote initally and not give them two votes
As for recording it on saturday and putting it out on the sunday that's just stupid - more pro-dancing aside (the only benifit to this idea) think I'd prefer Claudia to have the honour of revealing whose out on ITT on Monday - at least that goes out live.
The mind shuts down at that possibility of Mark out...yes they could have done.
The best dancer always wins...though sometimes what the judges might rave about leaves me cold, and others can move me more by sheer enthusiasm.
The best dancer always wins...though sometimes what the judges might rave about leaves me cold, and others can move me more by sheer enthusiasm.
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“Any opportunity for me to stick up for Matt!
And as a general point you are right- if Matt had been in the bottom two against Jan, I bet Arlene at least would have said Matt had come as far as he could. Yet only a week later he had completely transformed, and two weeks later Arlene was describing him as "absolutely phenomenal". The judges don't necessarily know best. Neither does the public of course...”
“Any opportunity for me to stick up for Matt!
And as a general point you are right- if Matt had been in the bottom two against Jan, I bet Arlene at least would have said Matt had come as far as he could. Yet only a week later he had completely transformed, and two weeks later Arlene was describing him as "absolutely phenomenal". The judges don't necessarily know best. Neither does the public of course...”
yay.......
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