SONY OLED TV: Good & Bad News

soulboy77 · 01-10-2007, 18:26

Sony are to release an OLED TV in December 2007 - See Trusted Reviews-Sony OLED

...But, it will only be a 11" screen with a resolution of 960 x 540 (so not HD but notice relationship to 1920 x 1080 resolution). Contrast ratio claimed 1000000:1 and the panel is a mere 3mm thick.

thms · 03-10-2007, 02:10

more pictures here.. it looks terrific

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/sony-xel_...ber-305470.php

Jarrak · 03-10-2007, 06:56

I would find it amusing if we actually see domestic TV sized OLED's in UK stores before SED's

Apollo 1875 · 03-10-2007, 15:07

Tis a thing of beauty, if you have a limitless suppy of cash, and need a telly in your kitchen.

comicsansserif · 04-10-2007, 08:41

Has anyone seen an OLED in action and can comment on picture compared to plasmas and LCD, in particular motion slur?

Chrisj3456 · 17-10-2007, 10:11

so how long do we think until we can get proper size OLED's for our lounges then?

timmillwood · 17-10-2007, 12:55

yeh its nice but at £950 i think i will give it a miss

Jarrak · 17-10-2007, 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrisj3456

so how long do we think until we can get proper size OLED's for our lounges then?

Two or three years perhaps for the EU market, a little less for the US and Japanese markets assuming SONY can successfully scale up the technology to make mass production of 28" and above viable.

It took a long time for LCD panels and Plasma glass to be manufactured to a standard that reduce the waste to a level that allowed significant price cuts.

The kicker for OLED is of course both Plasma and LCD will continue to develop and make a profit while OLED plays catch up in the domestic market.

comicsansserif · 17-10-2007, 16:06

Quote:

The kicker for OLED is of course both Plasma and LCD will continue to develop and make a profit while OLED plays catch up in the domestic market.

Which is why I asked about motion slur. If this has beaten that problem, making the screens as comfortable to watch as a CRT, then it will almost certainly help sales growth. Motion slur just grates with me. I find I'm constantly hard blinking or rubbing my eyes to remove the imaginary gunk from the corneas.

Nigel Goodwin · 17-10-2007, 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by comicsansserif

Which is why I asked about motion slur. If this has beaten that problem, making the screens as comfortable to watch as a CRT, then it will almost certainly help sales growth. Motion slur just grates with me. I find I'm constantly hard blinking or rubbing my eyes to remove the imaginary gunk from the corneas.

I imagine people are going to be disappointed if (or when) OLED actually hits the mainstream market?. It's just another way of displaying coloured pixels, so will use the exact same upscalers as Plasma or LCD, so will have the problems associated with upscaling just the same.

bobcar · 17-10-2007, 21:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

I imagine people are going to be disappointed if (or when) OLED actually hits the mainstream market?. It's just another way of displaying coloured pixels, so will use the exact same upscalers as Plasma or LCD, so will have the problems associated with upscaling just the same.

Although in a few years time there will be less problems with upscaling as processors become faster and cheaper.

Nigel Goodwin · 17-10-2007, 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobcar

Although in a few years time there will be less problems with upscaling as processors become faster and cheaper.

So LCD's and Plasma's will improve as well

Jarrak · 18-10-2007, 07:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

So LCD's and Plasma's will improve as well

Exactly.
By the time OLED is in a 32" telly for the UK market the Pio G8 Kuro electronics and glass will be in a rebadged (probably Sharp) model selling for under a grand

bobcar · 18-10-2007, 20:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

So LCD's and Plasma's will improve as well

They certainly will, the point I was trying to make was that as the processing improves then the panel technology (coloured pixels etc) will have a bigger affect than they currently do where poor processing can wreck an otherwise decent display.

TelevisionUser · 31-12-2007, 19:31

It looks like there've been some additional moves at Sony following the original announcement that they are going to develop organic light emitting diode (OLED) televisions as mentioned by the OP. Sony has been rethinking its flat screen television operations and it's now announced that it will stop making rear projection televisions in February 2008 due to falling demand.

Instead, they've now decided to concentrate on standard LCD flat screens and OLED technology following the announcement of the world's first OLED television with a screen just 3 mm thick. More info on this story can be found here at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7161623.stm and
http://www.tech.co.uk/home-entertain...leid=143622094.

stvn758 · 31-12-2007, 23:13

Saw a 31inch OLED in a recent review, flat doesn't do it justice.

Alrightmate · 14-01-2008, 10:51

I just watched 'Click' on News 24, and they showed a Sony OLED 11 inch at the recent technology expo.
Apparently the image quality is stunning according to the presenter(obviously we can't see it due to our current TV screens). It removes the current problem of fast images being blurry on plasmas.

If Sony are moving forward with this then it appears that they intend to make OLED for consumers sooner rather than later.
I saw some posts saying that it will be about 20 years before this technology is available to the consumer,..but if Sony are pushing it forward now and showing it to consumers then it looks like they intend to release these TVs a lot sooner than that.

Nigel Goodwin · 14-01-2008, 11:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alrightmate

Apparently the image quality is stunning according to the presenter(obviously we can't see it due to our current TV screens).

Funny you should say that!.

We had a lady come in the shop the other day, complaining that she had seen an advert on the TV for a television, and it was a far better picture than the set she had bought from us - that she was watching the other set on!

Jarrak · 14-01-2008, 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alrightmate

I saw some posts saying that it will be about 20 years before this technology is available to the consumer,..but if Sony are pushing it forward now and showing it to consumers then it looks like they intend to release these TVs a lot sooner than that.

Samsung indicate 2010 could be the target for mass market consumption, they only have to scale the technology up and reduce the wastage in production to bring the price down and the same will apply to SONY for their OLED screens.

Of course while both companies are making profits with LCD there is less incentive to bring OLED to the mass market, they could artificially delay perhaps only offering high margin panels for one sector of the market.

01-10-2007, 18:26	#1
soulboy77 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Herts Posts: 17,005	SONY OLED TV: Good & Bad News Sony are to release an OLED TV in December 2007 - See Trusted Reviews-Sony OLED ...But, it will only be a 11" screen with a resolution of 960 x 540 (so not HD but notice relationship to 1920 x 1080 resolution). Contrast ratio claimed 1000000:1 and the panel is a mere 3mm thick.

31-12-2007, 19:31	#15
TelevisionUser Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Storbritannia Posts: 28,930	Further Developments at Sony It looks like there've been some additional moves at Sony following the original announcement that they are going to develop organic light emitting diode (OLED) televisions as mentioned by the OP. Sony has been rethinking its flat screen television operations and it's now announced that it will stop making rear projection televisions in February 2008 due to falling demand. Instead, they've now decided to concentrate on standard LCD flat screens and OLED technology following the announcement of the world's first OLED television with a screen just 3 mm thick. More info on this story can be found here at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7161623.stm and http://www.tech.co.uk/home-entertain...leid=143622094.

03-10-2007, 02:10	#2
thms Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 56,818	more pictures here.. it looks terrific http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/sony-xel_...ber-305470.php

03-10-2007, 06:56	#3
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Posts: 18,075	I would find it amusing if we actually see domestic TV sized OLED's in UK stores before SED's

03-10-2007, 15:07	#4
Apollo 1875 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Moon Base Alpha Posts: 386	Tis a thing of beauty, if you have a limitless suppy of cash, and need a telly in your kitchen.

04-10-2007, 08:41	#5
comicsansserif Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: In front of my computer! Posts: 2,865	Has anyone seen an OLED in action and can comment on picture compared to plasmas and LCD, in particular motion slur?

17-10-2007, 10:11	#6
Chrisj3456 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Littlehampton, West Sussex Posts: 272	so how long do we think until we can get proper size OLED's for our lounges then?

17-10-2007, 12:55	#7
timmillwood Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 631	yeh its nice but at £950 i think i will give it a miss

17-10-2007, 14:12	#8
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Posts: 18,075	Quote: Originally Posted by Chrisj3456 so how long do we think until we can get proper size OLED's for our lounges then? Two or three years perhaps for the EU market, a little less for the US and Japanese markets assuming SONY can successfully scale up the technology to make mass production of 28" and above viable. It took a long time for LCD panels and Plasma glass to be manufactured to a standard that reduce the waste to a level that allowed significant price cuts. The kicker for OLED is of course both Plasma and LCD will continue to develop and make a profit while OLED plays catch up in the domestic market.

17-10-2007, 16:06	#9
comicsansserif Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: In front of my computer! Posts: 2,865	Quote: The kicker for OLED is of course both Plasma and LCD will continue to develop and make a profit while OLED plays catch up in the domestic market. Which is why I asked about motion slur. If this has beaten that problem, making the screens as comfortable to watch as a CRT, then it will almost certainly help sales growth. Motion slur just grates with me. I find I'm constantly hard blinking or rubbing my eyes to remove the imaginary gunk from the corneas.

17-10-2007, 16:24	#10
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by comicsansserif Which is why I asked about motion slur. If this has beaten that problem, making the screens as comfortable to watch as a CRT, then it will almost certainly help sales growth. Motion slur just grates with me. I find I'm constantly hard blinking or rubbing my eyes to remove the imaginary gunk from the corneas. I imagine people are going to be disappointed if (or when) OLED actually hits the mainstream market?. It's just another way of displaying coloured pixels, so will use the exact same upscalers as Plasma or LCD, so will have the problems associated with upscaling just the same.

17-10-2007, 21:22	#11
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin I imagine people are going to be disappointed if (or when) OLED actually hits the mainstream market?. It's just another way of displaying coloured pixels, so will use the exact same upscalers as Plasma or LCD, so will have the problems associated with upscaling just the same. Although in a few years time there will be less problems with upscaling as processors become faster and cheaper.

17-10-2007, 22:41	#12
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by bobcar Although in a few years time there will be less problems with upscaling as processors become faster and cheaper. So LCD's and Plasma's will improve as well

18-10-2007, 07:09	#13
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Posts: 18,075	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin So LCD's and Plasma's will improve as well Exactly. By the time OLED is in a 32" telly for the UK market the Pio G8 Kuro electronics and glass will be in a rebadged (probably Sharp) model selling for under a grand

18-10-2007, 20:44	#14
bobcar Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,718	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin So LCD's and Plasma's will improve as well They certainly will, the point I was trying to make was that as the processing improves then the panel technology (coloured pixels etc) will have a bigger affect than they currently do where poor processing can wreck an otherwise decent display.

31-12-2007, 23:13	#16
stvn758 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 17,338	Saw a 31inch OLED in a recent review, flat doesn't do it justice.

14-01-2008, 10:51	#17
Alrightmate Inactive Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 65,796	I just watched 'Click' on News 24, and they showed a Sony OLED 11 inch at the recent technology expo. Apparently the image quality is stunning according to the presenter(obviously we can't see it due to our current TV screens). It removes the current problem of fast images being blurry on plasmas. If Sony are moving forward with this then it appears that they intend to make OLED for consumers sooner rather than later. I saw some posts saying that it will be about 20 years before this technology is available to the consumer,..but if Sony are pushing it forward now and showing it to consumers then it looks like they intend to release these TVs a lot sooner than that.

14-01-2008, 11:13	#18
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by Alrightmate Apparently the image quality is stunning according to the presenter(obviously we can't see it due to our current TV screens). Funny you should say that!. We had a lady come in the shop the other day, complaining that she had seen an advert on the TV for a television, and it was a far better picture than the set she had bought from us - that she was watching the other set on!

14-01-2008, 12:32	#19
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Posts: 18,075	Quote: Originally Posted by Alrightmate I saw some posts saying that it will be about 20 years before this technology is available to the consumer,..but if Sony are pushing it forward now and showing it to consumers then it looks like they intend to release these TVs a lot sooner than that. Samsung indicate 2010 could be the target for mass market consumption, they only have to scale the technology up and reduce the wastage in production to bring the price down and the same will apply to SONY for their OLED screens. Of course while both companies are making profits with LCD there is less incentive to bring OLED to the mass market, they could artificially delay perhaps only offering high margin panels for one sector of the market.

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