Everyone seems to knock Patsy. I really liked her and she did come a respectable 5th
Why is Kate still in there??
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Oh god yes, Patsy's tango was so beautiful! Probably my favourite one ever on the show. I'm so sad that Anton probably won't get to choreograph another one this year 
I think the BBC are playing the sexy card this year by matching up the leggy girls with the guys who do the more seductive dance moves.
I agree that Anton's latin dances lack the sensuality so it would be a waste of time putting him with, say, Kelly, Penny or Alesha.
I agree that Anton's latin dances lack the sensuality so it would be a waste of time putting him with, say, Kelly, Penny or Alesha.
Originally Posted by yenston:
“Patsy? Gorgeous ballroom? Not in my IMO!! Tango was her only decent dance. I seem to recall she messed up nearly every routine she did!!”
“Patsy? Gorgeous ballroom? Not in my IMO!! Tango was her only decent dance. I seem to recall she messed up nearly every routine she did!!”
I really liked their AS aswell.
Alot of Anton Fans don't seem to like Patsy though.
Originally Posted by xadie:
“Oh god yes, Patsy's tango was so beautiful! Probably my favourite one ever on the show. I'm so sad that Anton probably won't get to choreograph another one this year”
“Oh god yes, Patsy's tango was so beautiful! Probably my favourite one ever on the show. I'm so sad that Anton probably won't get to choreograph another one this year
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On the night I preferred it to Zoe & Ian's Tango.
Originally Posted by La Rhumba:
“I really liked their AS aswell.
Alot of Anton Fans don't seem to like Patsy though.”
“I really liked their AS aswell.
Alot of Anton Fans don't seem to like Patsy though.
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It is rather ironic given that she did get him to 5th place. The highest he will probably ever get on SCD i believe now they are so many more couples that series one. I know he came 3rd with Lesley but how well would she have done if she was in one of the later series?
Originally Posted by La Rhumba:
“On the night I preferred it to Zoe & Ian's Tango.”
“On the night I preferred it to Zoe & Ian's Tango.
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Urgh, I think we'll have to agree to disagree!
Why is she still 'in there' maybe because she is determined to fulfil her commitments, maybe because she actually wants to do it. Maybe because if she did pull out half the country would miss Anton Du Beke.... and maybe because there isn't a replacment and the doctors think she might get away with it.
She has been training since Tuesday. When Jimmy Tarbuck pulled out of the show they put out a press release in the week and i dont think he got mentioned on ITT prior to that. So if they knew for a fact that she was not going to be dancing they would of done that i believe.
Originally Posted by Lukey37:
“It is rather ironic given that she did get him to 5th place. The highest he will probably ever get on SCD i believe now they are so many more couples that series one. I know he came 3rd with Lesley but how well would she have done if she was in one of the later series?”
“It is rather ironic given that she did get him to 5th place. The highest he will probably ever get on SCD i believe now they are so many more couples that series one. I know he came 3rd with Lesley but how well would she have done if she was in one of the later series?”
I still think that Anton and Lesley would have done quite well in the later series as they both have a reasonable fan base, they were excellent at the ballroom and Lesley gave the latin a good go.
I do think now though that the celebs seem to train a lot more and most of them seem to take it a lot more seriously, which happens in most of these reality shows once they know what they are up against by watching the first series.
I think a lot of people didn't like Patsy because she moaned a lot. Anton said himself afterwards that she didn't get it in her soul like some of the others. Whereas with Lesley she absolutely loved it and still does!
And just for the record his placing with Lesley in series 1 (3rd) is still the best Anton has done. If you work it out as a percentage taking into account how many couples were in each series- ie. winners get 100%, then with Lesley he scores 75% and Patsy 67%.
And just for the record his placing with Lesley in series 1 (3rd) is still the best Anton has done. If you work it out as a percentage taking into account how many couples were in each series- ie. winners get 100%, then with Lesley he scores 75% and Patsy 67%.
I had the great misfortune to suffer from tendonitis a few years ago when I started to play football again after a long lay off. It is f ****** painful(excuse the language 
). I had to rest for several weeks and then very and I mean very slowly build up my training program.Kate may be able to dance for one wk but she`d probably need anti inflamatory steroid injections to get her through.There is no way she could train and dance for 10 wks. As soon as this condition was diagnosed she should have withdrawn and the BBC started the search for a replacement. If she dances this week don`t for one minute think she is OK. This condition is only truely relieved by rest and then very,very slowly increasing your training program. Kate does not have time on her side : I did and it took 6 to 8 wks( I think) before I could really start to train hard without any flare ups....... looking back it was probably months before I was fully up to speed and felt confident that all was ok......Oh and I did`t have to wear heels. or dance on a HARD floor.
). I had to rest for several weeks and then very and I mean very slowly build up my training program.Kate may be able to dance for one wk but she`d probably need anti inflamatory steroid injections to get her through.There is no way she could train and dance for 10 wks. As soon as this condition was diagnosed she should have withdrawn and the BBC started the search for a replacement. If she dances this week don`t for one minute think she is OK. This condition is only truely relieved by rest and then very,very slowly increasing your training program. Kate does not have time on her side : I did and it took 6 to 8 wks( I think) before I could really start to train hard without any flare ups....... looking back it was probably months before I was fully up to speed and felt confident that all was ok......Oh and I did`t have to wear heels. or dance on a HARD floor.
Originally Posted by swnymor1963:
“I had the great misfortune to suffer from tendonitis a few years ago when I started to play football again after a long lay off. It is f ****** painful(excuse the language). I had to rest for several weeks and then very and I mean very slowly build up my training program.Kate may be able to dance for one wk but she`d probably need anti inflamatory steroid injections to get her through.There is no way she could train and dance for 10 wks. As soon as this condition was diagnosed she should have withdrawn and the BBC started the search for a replacement. If she dances this week don`t for one minute think she is OK. This condition is only truely relieved by rest and then very,very slowly increasing your training program. Kate does not have time on her side : I did and it took 6 to 8 wks( I think) before I could really start to train hard without any flare ups....... looking back it was probably months before I was fully up to speed and felt confident that all was ok......Oh and I did`t have to wear heels. ”
“I had the great misfortune to suffer from tendonitis a few years ago when I started to play football again after a long lay off. It is f ****** painful(excuse the language
). I had to rest for several weeks and then very and I mean very slowly build up my training program.Kate may be able to dance for one wk but she`d probably need anti inflamatory steroid injections to get her through.There is no way she could train and dance for 10 wks. As soon as this condition was diagnosed she should have withdrawn and the BBC started the search for a replacement. If she dances this week don`t for one minute think she is OK. This condition is only truely relieved by rest and then very,very slowly increasing your training program. Kate does not have time on her side : I did and it took 6 to 8 wks( I think) before I could really start to train hard without any flare ups....... looking back it was probably months before I was fully up to speed and felt confident that all was ok......Oh and I did`t have to wear heels. ”
You're right, this is why I think she should have bowed out gracefully when the condition was first diagnosed. Surely the BBC had a couple of other names in hand before the show started who would have come in at the last minute. It would have been different if it had happened a couple of weeks into the show.
Like you say, even if she dances this weekend her condition will just be inflamed by further training.
I agree. I wasn't that excited about the prospect of seeing her anyway, but it seems a shame not to give Anton a chance. Couldn't they give him a bye into the next round - let the other ladies carry their points over and find Anton a very young, fit sleb at short notice who might have a fighting chance of catching up from a standing start? (Chantelle???? I'm not a fan but she might have some time on her hands and she seems quite good natured...)
?? I'm not a fan but she might have some time on her hands and she seems quite good natured...)
Originally Posted by diamond1:
“You're right, this is why I think she should have bowed out gracefully when the condition was first diagnosed. Surely the BBC had a couple of other names in hand before the show started who would have come in at the last minute. It would have been different if it had happened a couple of weeks into the show.
Like you say, even if she dances this weekend her condition will just be inflamed by further training.”
“You're right, this is why I think she should have bowed out gracefully when the condition was first diagnosed. Surely the BBC had a couple of other names in hand before the show started who would have come in at the last minute. It would have been different if it had happened a couple of weeks into the show.
Like you say, even if she dances this weekend her condition will just be inflamed by further training.”
My fitness instuctor and physiotherpist said I`d have sufferred less if I`d broken a bone in my foot.Just look at the professional footballers. Rooney and Beckham were playing again 6/8 wks after fracturing bones in their feet while Michael Owen was out for a year after a soft tissue injury.I know Owen needed surgery but the point I`am making is that soft tissue injuries often take far longer to heal than fractures.
Originally Posted by The Swampster:
“I agree. I wasn't that excited about the prospect of seeing her anyway, but it seems a shame not to give Anton a chance. Couldn't they give him a bye into the next round - let the other ladies carry their points over and find Anton a very young, fit sleb at short notice who might have a fighting chance of catching up from a standing start? (Chantelle???? I'm not a fan but she might have some time on her hands and she seems quite good natured...)”
“I agree. I wasn't that excited about the prospect of seeing her anyway, but it seems a shame not to give Anton a chance. Couldn't they give him a bye into the next round - let the other ladies carry their points over and find Anton a very young, fit sleb at short notice who might have a fighting chance of catching up from a standing start? (Chantelle??
?? I'm not a fan but she might have some time on her hands and she seems quite good natured...)”
I agree with your point about giving him a bye and carrying the girls scores over to next week.....This suggestion was discussed in another thread last night. If she can`t dance then I don`t think anyone should be eliminated this week as we would end up with only 2 finalists...... and I think we all agree it would be more exciting with 3 in the final.The BBC really need to think this one through.
Originally Posted by yenston:
“I think a lot of people didn't like Patsy because she moaned a lot. Anton said himself afterwards that she didn't get it in her soul like some of the others. Whereas with Lesley she absolutely loved it and still does!
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“I think a lot of people didn't like Patsy because she moaned a lot. Anton said himself afterwards that she didn't get it in her soul like some of the others. Whereas with Lesley she absolutely loved it and still does!
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Anton & Lesley hit it off big time. But you can't keep comparing all his partners to her, as they will come up short in one area or another. I remember there was alot of anger directed toward Patsy on the forum at the time, and I felt for her.
From your percentages she isn't that far behind Lesley, and for someone with no natural ability or inate musical rhythm, that's not bad. TBH Anton's choreo for most of her Latin was dire.
It's funny, isn't it, that I started going to Anton's classes only AFTER I had see him dancing with Patsy! I adored Patsy - she was hillarious that year! I thought her rumba was good too, in retrospect her steps were very simple, but it was very beautiful. So it was all down to Anton's choreography (ooo, Anton + Latin -> good ---- controversy!).
We only ever saw Anton doing the paso once on SCD, I bet he is quite good at that, too, considering it should be in his blood! (His mother is Spanish)
I completely missed Lesley-Anton pasrtnership. Heard great things about it, but never interested enough to watch them on you tube. I think it's probably due to jealousy
Back to topic, totally agree that he should be given a young fit partner!! As for the slebs should not be young if they get paired up with him, well, I bet Darren Gough is at least 10 years older than Lilia and they looked great on the dance floor!
OK, not arguing any more. Back to work...
We only ever saw Anton doing the paso once on SCD, I bet he is quite good at that, too, considering it should be in his blood! (His mother is Spanish)
I completely missed Lesley-Anton pasrtnership. Heard great things about it, but never interested enough to watch them on you tube. I think it's probably due to jealousy
Back to topic, totally agree that he should be given a young fit partner!! As for the slebs should not be young if they get paired up with him, well, I bet Darren Gough is at least 10 years older than Lilia and they looked great on the dance floor!
OK, not arguing any more. Back to work...
Originally Posted by Frodora:
“It's funny, isn't it, that I started going to Anton's classes only AFTER I had see him dancing with Patsy! I adored Patsy - she was hillarious that year! I thought her rumba was good too, in retrospect her steps were very simple, but it was very beautiful. So it was all down to Anton's choreography (ooo, Anton + Latin -> good ---- controversy!).
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“It's funny, isn't it, that I started going to Anton's classes only AFTER I had see him dancing with Patsy! I adored Patsy - she was hillarious that year! I thought her rumba was good too, in retrospect her steps were very simple, but it was very beautiful. So it was all down to Anton's choreography (ooo, Anton + Latin -> good ---- controversy!).
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Yes! Her Rhumba was lovely.
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“We only ever saw Anton doing the paso once on SCD, I bet he is quite good at that, too, considering it should be in his blood! (His mother is Spanish)”
“We only ever saw Anton doing the paso once on SCD, I bet he is quite good at that, too, considering it should be in his blood! (His mother is Spanish)”
His only ever Paso with Lesley was very good, super choreo and style, one of Anton's best Latin dances ever on SCD.
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“Back to topic, totally agree that he should be given a young fit partner!! As for the slebs should not be young if they get paired up with him, well, I bet Darren Gough is at least 10 years older than Lilia and they looked great on the dance floor!”
“Back to topic, totally agree that he should be given a young fit partner!! As for the slebs should not be young if they get paired up with him, well, I bet Darren Gough is at least 10 years older than Lilia and they looked great on the dance floor!”
Dominic is 42 and at least 14 years older than Lilia. Older/younger partnerships can work.
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“OK, not arguing any more. Back to work...”
“OK, not arguing any more. Back to work...
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Get outa town, that's not even a spat!
Awww La Rhumba are you just a lovely person??
Yes will get out of work now, heading home for some food. Wish everyone a good night!!
Yes will get out of work now, heading home for some food. Wish everyone a good night!!
Shazzer - no I wasn't grumpy - just concerned for Kate - as the poster who had tendonitis themselves said, the only thing which will help her recover is TIME and with the first show on Saturday, that is something she hasn't got!
Hamlet - meeting your commitments is one thing, but crippling yourself for a long time just to take part in an entertainment show when medical advice has been to rest just seems rather stupid (IMHO).
Hamlet - meeting your commitments is one thing, but crippling yourself for a long time just to take part in an entertainment show when medical advice has been to rest just seems rather stupid (IMHO).
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“Shazzer - no I wasn't grumpy - just concerned for Kate - as the poster who had tendonitis themselves said, the only thing which will help her recover is TIME and with the first show on Saturday, that is something she hasn't got!
Hamlet - meeting your commitments is one thing, but crippling yourself for a long time just to take part in an entertainment show when medical advice has been to rest just seems rather stupid (IMHO).”
“Shazzer - no I wasn't grumpy - just concerned for Kate - as the poster who had tendonitis themselves said, the only thing which will help her recover is TIME and with the first show on Saturday, that is something she hasn't got!
Hamlet - meeting your commitments is one thing, but crippling yourself for a long time just to take part in an entertainment show when medical advice has been to rest just seems rather stupid (IMHO).”
No I agree she shouldn't risk it! No I saw something in another thread (can't remember which) which was not like your usual self!! LOL xx
Originally Posted by Sloopy:
“It's a shame for Kate and Anton, but it's not looking good.
If she's unable to train then there's not much hope of her performing on Saturday.”
“It's a shame for Kate and Anton, but it's not looking good.
If she's unable to train then there's not much hope of her performing on Saturday.”
Seeing her on GMTV this morning with both legs still firmly strapped up, I feel she should take the sensible option and pull out before she incurs any further (possibly permanent) damage.
It's not fair on Anton either as he won't feel like he can push her to do any difficult routines lest it should do further damage.
Perhaps its time to 'call it a day' and bow out gracefully.
Originally Posted by Castanet:
“Seeing her on GMTV this morning with both legs still firmly strapped up, I feel she should take the sensible option and pull out before she incurs any further (possibly permanent) damage.
It's not fair on Anton either as he won't feel like he can push her to do any difficult routines lest it should do further damage.
Perhaps its time to 'call it a day' and bow out gracefully.”
“Seeing her on GMTV this morning with both legs still firmly strapped up, I feel she should take the sensible option and pull out before she incurs any further (possibly permanent) damage.
It's not fair on Anton either as he won't feel like he can push her to do any difficult routines lest it should do further damage.
Perhaps its time to 'call it a day' and bow out gracefully.”
Poor Anton...
Ah Ha! Perhaps he can join Karen in their reportage about everything SCD for BBC Breakfast! Yay!
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