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Why is Kate still in there??
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Frodora
13-10-2007
Originally Posted by diamond1:
“True, they may have something in their contracts to say that after they have signed up that they are commited to compete to get their full fee, but I would have thought that there would be a get out clause were injury or illness were concerned, especially with something so obviously serious and painful as Kate's injury. It's not like she would just be saying she had twisted her ankle or didn't feel well.”

I am sure they could withdraw any time if it is due to injuries without breaching the contract - just that they would not be able to keep the fee unless they have competed at least one week. If they do withdraw just because they feel like it, I would imagine they would have to compensate the beebs.
Mistermind
13-10-2007
The judges are certain to mark Kate objectively on performance with bottom score. To stay out of the bottom two Kate will need to score at least third top on the phone vote. Sympathy for the underdog or not, that will take some doing.

I love Kate's blonde hair, but I also love Kelly, and Aleisha, etc etc. So many beauties this year, and they will all dance with charisma, topping the phone vote on merit.
Birdie65
14-10-2007
Frodora, will you tell Anton his singing last season was great - remember the duet he did with Craig? I would love to hear Anton sing again. I am a singer myself and I don't give compliments where they're not due . . . !

When Anton's CD comes out I'll be banging on the door of HMV on the first morning to get my copy!
Eternal Life
14-10-2007
I think Kate should have been in the bottom 2 and seems unfair that she has escaped.
frell-tastic
14-10-2007
I hate the sympathy vote!
Evenstar120
14-10-2007
I have no idea why anyone would vote to keep Kate in, considering the state she is in. She can hardly walk, let alone dance, and next week she is meant to be doing a jive.
I really can't see it ever happening. I think she should withdraw now. For heavens sake if she continues to dance on such an injury then she could really do some permanent damage. This isn't what anyone wants.
xadie
14-10-2007
I'm sure that in the case of a diagnosed injury, caused or excacerbated by dance training on the show, Kate would have been able to pull out without losing her fee. It would seem crazy if the BBC (effectively) damaged her and then said, "Oh no, you're damaged, you can't dance, we'll keep your cash." I'm also convinced the BBC were paying for her to see that Harley St specialist that we saw her visit on ITT.

No, I think her insistance on continuing was part determination, part bravado, and part publicity-seeking, nothing to do with money per se.
Mistermind
14-10-2007
Kate can't withdraw now. To do so would be to admit she has deprived another woman of a job, and is making a mockery of her supporters.

She is caught in a trap now, she has to try and put up a passable performance on Saturday, suffering 5 days of agonising practice to get there. I understand she is still hobbling off to work at an ungodly time of morning.
dome
14-10-2007
Originally Posted by xadie:
“I'm sure that in the case of a diagnosed injury, caused or excacerbated by dance training on the show, Kate would have been able to pull out without losing her fee. It would seem crazy if the BBC (effectively) damaged her and then said, "Oh no, you're damaged, you can't dance, we'll keep your cash." I'm also convinced the BBC were paying for her to see that Harley St specialist that we saw her visit on ITT.

No, I think her insistance on continuing was part determination, part bravado, and part publicity-seeking, nothing to do with money per se.”


I disagree if the producers wanted her gone she would have gone.

They probably didn't want to pay her fee.

Of course they are paying for her treatment and rightly so.
xadie
14-10-2007
Originally Posted by dome:
“I disagree if the producers wanted her gone she would have gone.

They probably didn't want to pay her fee.

Of course they are paying for her treatment and rightly so.”

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're disagreeing with. I think I agree with what you're saying so I don't know what's going on!
luckyforest
14-10-2007
I do feel sorry for Anton. None of his previous partner has ever complained about him, they were all full of praise saying he's always so nice and passionate. The thing is he's never rewarded, not even once. Maybe he's too nice that they thought he won't complain anyway.

It's not nice to be Mr. Nice. Poor Anton
dome
14-10-2007
quote=xadie;18679145]I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're disagreeing with. I think I agree with what you're saying so I don't know what's going on! [/quote]



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“No, I think her insistance on continuing was part determination, part bravado, and part publicity-seeking, nothing to do with money per se.”


Was the bit I was disagreeing with.

I think if the Beeb had wanted her gone she'd be out like a shot, but no doubt they were also trying to get away with not paying the fee.
xadie
14-10-2007
Originally Posted by dome:
“quote=xadie;18679145]
I think if the Beeb had wanted her gone she'd be out like a shot, but no doubt they were also trying to get away with not paying the fee.”

I agree that the BBC could have easily gotten rid of her if they'd wanted to. Is there an extra fee that they have to pay to somebody if they do that, though?

I suppose they'd have to pay somebody else, too, but if Kate's medical bills stack up because she is making her injury worse, rather than resting and recovering, and they're paying Harley St prices, I wouldn't have thought, given the figure of £25,000 per competitor that was mentioned before, that there would be much difference between new competitor vs medical bills.
mintchocchip
14-10-2007
I have some muster of admiration for her carrying on but it's stamped out by the sheer foolishness of it. She could make her injury worse and has deprived Anton of a fit partner to work with.
moonglow
14-10-2007
I think its ridiculous she's still in it. Yes, she's injured her foot, but she's certainly milked it - every opportunity she's had she's gone on about her injury. Why didn't she just quite? Because she wants the limelight. Injury or not, she hasn't a clue how to dance, her rhythm is poor, and she's totally wooden. Hopefully next week she'll be out - but then the stupidity of the British public voting her in is crazy. We should have let the judges have total control of the judging - the British public have shown again that they haven't a clue.
dome
15-10-2007
Originally Posted by xadie:
“I agree that the BBC could have easily gotten rid of her if they'd wanted to. Is there an extra fee that they have to pay to somebody if they do that, though?

I suppose they'd have to pay somebody else, too, but if Kate's medical bills stack up because she is making her injury worse, rather than resting and recovering, and they're paying Harley St prices, I wouldn't have thought, given the figure of £25,000 per competitor that was mentioned before, that there would be much difference between new competitor vs medical bills.”


It's more than likely they won't pay the fee if a doctor says she can dance.

The doctor said she could so she did and yet she is being blamed???

I don't think people think this through it's a dance/entertainment show not the olympics.
Agent Krycek
15-10-2007
Originally Posted by Eternal Life:
“I think Kate should have been in the bottom 2 and seems unfair that she has escaped.”

There are times I could quite happily slap the GBP

Don't get me wrong, I quite like Kate (let's face it, anyone who isn't Fiona Phillips has already got plus points in my book) and I do like the fact that she gave it a go, but in no way should she have stayed over Steph. She gave it a go, danced badly, and lets face it, didn't show signs she'd do well without injury. So now we've lost the potential comic gold of Steph (who danced well and was slightly undermarked) and Vincent, because of the flipping sympathy vote.
Frodora
15-10-2007
Originally Posted by Birdie65:
“Frodora, will you tell Anton his singing last season was great - remember the duet he did with Craig? I would love to hear Anton sing again. I am a singer myself and I don't give compliments where they're not due . . . !

When Anton's CD comes out I'll be banging on the door of HMV on the first morning to get my copy! ”

Hello Birdie!! Would love to pass on the compliment but have not seen our man for a while - stopped lessons ages ago to concentrate on another dance (lambada, just in case you want to know! ). But if I ever see him again I sure will tell him he is a singing sensation, amongst other things!!

Back to topic - now with all these debates about their contracts I am now very curious what clauses they have in there. Does anyone amongst us who is a spy at the beebs? Can we have a copy of the contract? Please?

There is no way Kate can dance the jive properly with her injury - unless a miracle happens. Maybe she can swap to do a tango this week?

Edit: They ARE dancing the tango this week!! Which means they should score better, which means the judges will be kinder, which means the general public would think they are safe, which means they will be out!!
Last edited by Frodora : 15-10-2007 at 11:52
Apricot
15-10-2007
Has there been an occasion, over the last four series, where the ballroom/latin weekly sequence the dancers followed changed to ballroom one week followed by ballroom the next or latin and then latin?

Surely there won't be special arrangements made for Kate Garraway?? That wouldn't be cricket Auntie Beeb.
Pasta
15-10-2007
There isn't an automatic latin/ballroom sequence, or at least there wasn't last year. Peter Schmeichel had two or three ballroom dances in a row, as i recall, and i think other dancers had similar grouped dances.
Birdie65
15-10-2007
Originally Posted by Frodora:
“Hello Birdie!! Would love to pass on the compliment but have not seen our man for a while - stopped lessons ages ago to concentrate on another dance (lambada, just in case you want to know! ). But if I ever see him again I sure will tell him he is a singing sensation, amongst other things!!”

Is the lambada fun? I had 6 months of belly dancing lessons several years ago and still do a spot of undulating now and again. In fact I was at a barbecue in the summer when a woman there mentioned she'd always wanted to learn bellydancing. So I'm showing her how to do a hip shimmy and an Egyptian walk - and my skirt falls off! Exposing my knickers to a load of Baptists! Result!
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