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Recording TV programmes for others
Homer Hotspur
12-10-2007
I have recorded a few programmes to hard disc for my son to play on his laptop. I transferred these onto a re - recordable DVD and the player advised me it had to be ' finalised' before it could be played on other equipment. Half way through the finalising process, a message informed me that ' finalisation had failed'.

I put the DVD into our PC to check and I got error messages which suggested that the DVD did not have the required ' rights'.

Is it really the case that I am not allowed to record freely available TV programmes to play on another machine? I am talking about match of the day and Heroes here. Does this restriction cover all TV or just high profile stuff like Heroes?

This would not have been a problem with a VHS video so I am rather surprised it is so restrictive.
Gilson
12-10-2007
Originally Posted by Homer Hotspur:
“I have recorded a few programmes to hard disc for my son to play on his laptop. I transferred these onto a re - recordable DVD and the player advised me it had to be ' finalised' before it could be played on other equipment. Half way through the finalising process, a message informed me that ' finalisation had failed'.

I put the DVD into our PC to check and I got error messages which suggested that the DVD did not have the required ' rights'.

Is it really the case that I am not allowed to record freely available TV programmes to play on another machine? I am talking about match of the day and Heroes here. Does this restriction cover all TV or just high profile stuff like Heroes?

This would not have been a problem with a VHS video so I am rather surprised it is so restrictive. ”


Not sure what you are saying here.

I am assuming you are transferring TV recordings made on a hard disc in a PVR or Sky+ box or similar to a DVD recordable using either an internal or external DVD recorder?

Are you finalising on this device?

What format and brand of disc are you using?

Exactly what are you recording and where from?

I am sure this is not anything to do with copy protection its more likely its procedure or most probable recordable disc quality.
mikepratt
12-10-2007
Originally Posted by Homer Hotspur:
“I have recorded a few programmes to hard disc for my son to play on his laptop. I transferred these onto a re - recordable DVD and the player advised me it had to be ' finalised' before it could be played on other equipment. Half way through the finalising process, a message informed me that ' finalisation had failed'.

I put the DVD into our PC to check and I got error messages which suggested that the DVD did not have the required ' rights'.

Is it really the case that I am not allowed to record freely available TV programmes to play on another machine? I am talking about match of the day and Heroes here. Does this restriction cover all TV or just high profile stuff like Heroes?

This would not have been a problem with a VHS video so I am rather surprised it is so restrictive. ”

Not a Philips or Panasonic machine is it?

If the finalisation failed then the disc is likely to be unplayable anywhere bar the original recorder.

The PC probably just cannot read it so the message is unlikely to be relevant.

Assuming the programmes are still on the HDD I would have another go.

But unless the discs you use are +RW then other formats will need finalising.

If the disc is RW and not just R then just delete the content and start again
Homer Hotspur
12-10-2007
Yes, it is a Panasonic and the DVD is a - RW disc. Does this mean something?
niall campbell
13-10-2007
it all depends on what you were trying to record, some progs do have macrovision

could even be rubbish discs, try another brand ............ it usually helps

or try a cheapo dvd player, they play practically anything
Homer Hotspur
13-10-2007
To further expand, I have a Panasonic DMR -EH50 Hard disc recorder. As I say, over the last couple of weeks, I have recorded a few things intending to transfer to DVD and give to my son to play in his laptop at University. This has included 'Heroes' and Match of the Day. Just the same as you would have done to video a programme for someone to watch or even to play on another TV in the same house.

Taking away the fact that I had recorded the programmes for my son to watch, it would have been exactly the same problem if I had wanted to watch the disc upstairs on another player or our own PC ( ie entirely for own use). Surely I should be able to do this?

DVD is Maxwell - RW.
Kojack
13-10-2007
To me it just sounds like the finalisation had failed & nothing more, prob due to a faulty disc, try another disc.

I use scratch proof TDK -RW & have never had a single fail in 2-3yrs, I have however had a finalisation fail using a -R being a bad disc.
bobcar
13-10-2007
Originally Posted by Kojack:
“To me it just sounds like the finalisation had failed & nothing more, prob due to a faulty disc, try another disc.

I use scratch proof TDK -RW & have never had a single fail in 2-3yrs, I have however had a finalisation fail using a -R being a bad disc.”

Similarly I use Verbatims and have never had a failure. With recordable DVDs there really is a big difference in quality between brands (sometimes even within brands), I don't think it's worth skimping and going as cheap as possible (in fact I'm sure it isn't).
chrisjr
13-10-2007
FYI.

It is actually illegal to record TV programmes for any other purpose than time shifting. Making a permanent copy of a recording to keep or to give to others is not allowed under copyright law.

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/copy/c-manage/...-timeshift.htm

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/copy/c-applies/c-tvfilm.htm

Up to you as to whether you consider the risk of getting caught is high enough to put you off doing it though.
martytoo
13-10-2007
Originally Posted by niall campbell:
“it all depends on what you were trying to record, some progs do have macrovision

..”

Usually if a program has Macrovision copy protection system, then you wouldn't be able to record it in the first place. This is the case with VOD material originating from the C4/E4/More4 channels you can record of air but not off VOD. Probably a bad disc.
hippotongue
13-10-2007
Originally Posted by niall campbell:
“it all depends on what you were trying to record, some progs do have macrovision

could even be rubbish discs, try another brand ............ it usually helps

or try a cheapo dvd player, they play practically anything”

Box Office programmes (or any other programmes) that use Macrovision will not transfer to dvd at all unless you use additional help to get round it like a special scart lead.

A disc refusing to finalise will have nothing to do with Macro at all.

There are lots of rubbish blanks on the market but whether your recorder dlislikes one brand or another is something to learn from experience.

Panasonic machines have always been picky with blanks but that problem seemed sorted a couple of years back.

But I have been reading recently about Panny machines around the 2-3 year old mark that have started showing these symptoms but I've not found any reasons behind it as yet.

Regarding blanks,I've always sworn by Verbatim but I recently bought a spindle of 100 and the failure rate was atrocious ,about 20%.

I have 2 Pioneer recorders and both had problems as did one of my laptops (and my laptop has never failed before with any blank).

Budget makes like Imation I usually avoid but I got a 50 spindle and although more reliable than the Verbatim there were still a few fails.

Thinking my equipment may be on the way out I got a spindle of 50 from Staples that were their own brand.

Halfway through them now and not a single failure

Regarding copyright law ,who gives a toss.

How do you get caught?

There has never been a prosecution of anyone anywhere who archives recordings.

Its the supply of copies of those recordings where the authorities will be inteested.
-GONZO-
13-10-2007
Originally Posted by Homer Hotspur:
“Yes, it is a Panasonic and the DVD is a - RW disc. Does this mean something?”

I didn't think you could finalise a -RW disc only -R discs can be.
hippotongue
13-10-2007
Originally Posted by -GONZO-:
“I didn't think you could finalise a -RW disc only -R discs can be.”

-RW discs still need finalising to play on other players.

If the disc is recorded in VIDEO mode it should play elsewhere.

If its recorded in VR mode its unlikely to play ,but Panny machines do not support VR mode.

Its +RW that does not need finalising ,although for some strange reason its been reported that some brands like Sony offer +RW finalising
Gilson
13-10-2007
Originally Posted by -GONZO-:
“I didn't think you could finalise a -RW disc only -R discs can be.”

This is gettng confusing I seem to remember a recent thread that said the same about +RW disc. notwithstanding this both my DVD-Recorders and my PC say I should finalise both RW formats and unless I do they dont read on each other.

The failure rate in DVD recordable media is IMHO atrocious.

The best I am told are those using Taiyo Uden dyes. These can be bought for reasonable prices in 100 spindles from several internet suppliers. However the only high st brand to use this technology AFAIK is Verbatim. However not all Verbatim discs use this technology but I still reckon they are better than most

I have had a 100% Verbatim policy for over a year now having had an atrocious failure rate previously. I have actually literally suffered my first problem with a Verbatim +R disc recorded on my PC and bitset to DVD-ROM whilst playing OK in all my equipment will not play first 3X5 min chapters on either student sons cheapo DVD player or his PC DVD player.
craigstirling
14-10-2007
Originally Posted by Gilson:
“This is gettng confusing I seem to remember a recent thread that said the same about +RW disc. notwithstanding this both my DVD-Recorders and my PC say I should finalise both RW formats and unless I do they dont read on each other.

The failure rate in DVD recordable media is IMHO atrocious.

The best I am told are those using Taiyo Uden dyes. These can be bought for reasonable prices in 100 spindles from several internet suppliers. However the only high st brand to use this technology AFAIK is Verbatim. However not all Verbatim discs use this technology but I still reckon they are better than most

I have had a 100% Verbatim policy for over a year now having had an atrocious failure rate previously. I have actually literally suffered my first problem with a Verbatim +R disc recorded on my PC and bitset to DVD-ROM whilst playing OK in all my equipment will not play first 3X5 min chapters on either student sons cheapo DVD player or his PC DVD player.”

Both my Pioneer recorders are pretty good.

MY Verbatim spindle was bad though.

TDK are 100% .

I suspect there are different Verbatim discs.

I had a Philips +RW recorder and there is no finalising on +RW discs.

I dont know why you would have recorders that do have that option.

The remaining +RW discs I have all play on both my Pioneers and my PC and they were never finalised
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