To paraphrase something that was said to me before my first brass band contest...

"It's only 4 people's opinion of one performance on one day."

If all the celebs do their best and remember that then maybe we won't get strops and hissy fits.

Der Chef says

If all the celebs said

"I dont care what score I get , I am just grateful for the chance in a lifetime to take part and get to dance with _______ and go on a journey ect ect

We would have threads as to how dull the show is this year


Ohhh Yeah

Not just talking about thi thread - there is another one with a title making fun of the facial expessions used by Letitia. Some of the remarks about Kelly are a bit OTT as well. Son't get me wrong, not defending anyone particularly, just think criticism = OK personal attack/nasty comments = uncool!

Gabby needs to remember that by and large WOMEN vote for this show. To date she has come across as a hard faced b+*ch who is rather "up herself" and way, way too sure of herself and far too outspoken. Regardless of her ability she will be voted out because she is not likeable. Her husband seems much warmer and a far nicer person.

I have to admit I was really pleased with the judges comments on Saturday.

Gabby really came across like she thought she was going to walk it. After their comments though, she looked stunned. As though she couldn't believe it.

I didn't think it was that great a dance.

I didn't dislike Gabby's performance, it was oddly a little bit like Kenny's. I don't mean that in a bad way, lol, I mean it was all the steps but no real performance value or personality.

I think she hit the nail on the head herself when she said that after the judges' scores she was right where she didn't want to be - in the middle. She is savvy enough to realise that this is a danger zone. Because most of the boys have got catching up to do she will probably move up the order next week so long as she puts in a decent performance. But I think the thorny issue of personality and attitude will see her go before the end, unless she finds a way to let go a little and appear to be enjoying it a bit more - not just in the general sense of things but because it will improve her performances. Technically she isn't bad at all so that's probably her best bet for improvement - which is one thing the viewers love as well as the judges.

Spot on Astronbabe!

With the greatest respect to footygirl:

Before the coming of Hawkeye many pro tennis players disagreed with line calls but few challenged the umpire, and many were the times players were right. Bjorn Borg never complained. A young lion with a frightening will to win exploded again and again -- John McEnroe, earning himself boos from the audience and the title Superbrat.

John regularly exploded at perceived injustices, yet he was never spiteful or bitter. With explosion over, he was all smiles and did not harbour a grudge. Ten years later came Pete Sampras, the winningest champion ever, withe smiles and without complaints -- and Pete was the most boring champion ever.

Tennis cannot afford to have every player exploding like John, but I believe the game would be poorer without colourful flesh and blood like John. And the English language would be deprived of that delightful quotation

You cannot be serious.

It's really a shame but that post shows that the misogynists could be correct - all they have to do is sit back and watch, other women will put confident, aggressive (not a dirty word by the way), competitive, successful women in their place for them.

Gabby was recorded on film as saying she will try to beat her husband -- come one Saturday there could be Mr and Mrs in a dance-off against each other? ha ha ha). Hubby smilingly takes her competitiveness all in good heart.

My information is that her partner James Jordan respects her - James who never respected anybody. From a great distance not knowing the real Gabby then, I would have to keep an open mind and give her a chance to show her stuff. If the women will not vote for her, then I would have to compensate for that and invest 25p of my hard-earned?

If she is angry with her own failure and is beating herself up right now, and if that anger can be channelled into work and improvement, then there could come the heart-warming spectacle of Gabby fulfilling her full potential. I still cannot see her winning, because of the gifted and beautiful opponents ranged against her in this vintage year for women.

Please vote for her if you wish but this woman wont not because she is competitive- I have no problem with that- but because her attitude stinks- you can be competitve and be gracious- she was downright rude and badly behaved on Saturday with her results- whether she felt she deserved better scores or not and it was clearly the judges she was angry with and not herself. Whatever her potential as a dancer unless she can shift her attitude she will continue to be the one person I would not like to see win.

Also some people don't like her because she exudes this same attitude on everything- the only woman ever to have had twins as my sister calls her because Gabby always bangs on about their birth, having no nannies etc like she is a trail blazer in multiple births! Well plenty of other women manage that without the money and resources and a husband that doesn't work long office hours. There is a lot of assumption on this board that women dont vote for competitive women well in this case its attitude that counts.

I think a lot of people will vote for Gabby based on her dancing, and will think this type of abuse unhelpful and irrelevant.

If people ask her in interviews about having children she is more than entitled to talk about having children and her experiences. If other women don't like that then that might be because it plays on there insecurities and jealousy. That isn't her problem.

Really? Have you been watching the same series over the years as the rest of us?

It certainly is of relevance and, if Gabby is reading it's not unhelpful either. She is a good dancer and could be a great dancer if she listens to the judges and works on their comments - that will push her up the leaderboard. However, being a great dancer is not good enough to get votes and keep out of the bottom two once the competition is half way. You have to stick out as a voteworthy personality and she isn't coming across that way.

What she has to her advantage this year is the judges final vote; I fully expect her to be saved in any dodgy bottom two calls until at least half time.

Excuse me I wasn't abusive I was stating a point of view that I am perfectly entitled to comment on- I didn't call her, her children or husband a rude name I stated what other people had mentioned to me. I think that people in some cases on this board use the ABUSE word far too freely and this thread was about whether people would or would not vote for her and I was responding.

Also Lukey- we have twins in our family and so jealousy is not really a factor- nor money etc!

I think Gabby comes across as a more 'masculine' type because of the industry she is in. She seems to have lost her feminine 'softness'......

Ruth has put her finger on it, this could be the fundamental problem for Gabby. In the quickstep I had a brief glance at Gabby's hold, which looked like a truss designed to hold up a pile of bricks. Ballroom dancing is hardwired for a man to lead and a woman to follow. Equal and liberated roles on the dance floor would backfire.

Gabby stands at the bottom of the DS best-liked poll and top of the least-liked poll, so short of a miraculous performance her phone vote appeal looks bleak.

Intriguingly Kelly is second top in the best-liked poll and second top in the least-liked poll. Could it be men viewers want Kelly in, but women viewers want her out? As there is no eviction vote, the positive vote may matter more.

Interesting points MisterMind- I know several women that don't mind Kelly so maybe it is a personality thing again- after all not everyone likes everyone in any normal situation so I guess this is the same. Kelly's 'Who Me?' attitude annoyed some people on saturday so maybe this is contributing to the vote also

A lot of truth in this post - Gabby has 'made' it in a traditional 'man's role' career wise - she probably does have that Man's brain thing going on.

Re Kelly and how she's 2nd on best & least liked - that's easy to see - shes voted best liked by men and the women who don't feel jealous/threatened (however misplaced this may be as if she actually floats around with us little folk); and on the least liked by the women on this forum - as someone ponted out re Gabby earlier, it is mostly women that vote.

I agree that there is something manly about Gabby (I don't just mean in looks, I mean in attitude and in her whole persona).

I disagree though that all those who are voting Kelly as least favourite are jealous women. Kelly isn't my favourite but it has nothing to do with me being jealous of her looks or lifestyle. I think she is a very beautiful girl and seems nice enough, she is also a good dancer but I'm not keen on the little girl "who me?" act. So saying that she's not my least favourite and I didn't vote for her in the least favourite thread.

It seems that a lot of women like Alesha, who also happens to be my favourite, and she's just as attractive as Kelly, I just prefer her attitude and love the chemistry between her and Matt.

Good points, daimond1.

I don't actually have a favourite couple - but I keep reading posts where I am defending Gabby, Kenny, Kelly - mainly because I feel like they have been picked on a bit - lots of neg/bad things said very few positive.

Just keeping things fair & balanced - OMG Im just like Fox News!! Can't believe it I really HATE "News for Dummies".

I haven't got strong feelings about her either way - but i CAN understand her disappointment.

The judges gave her a great end of dance report (and her dance WAS very well executed with some quite difficult footwork in there), but the marks didn't match the comments or what I thought I saw on the screen.

I certainly thought it should have been 8s across the board given what the judges had said, and clearly both she and James did too, and I think that was the reason for her crestfallen look.

Given that "Sunday's" show was filmed on Saturday I'd have been surprised that she wasn't still upset during the comments bit backstage.

And how do we know that she "got the journos in Inside sport to hold up 10 paddles?" - sounds like the sort of prank colleagues play on one another - can't you see Ally Mc Coist doing the same to Matt on QoS if he'd thought of it??

All that said though - I still have difficulty warming to the woman.......

Hi all - just to add my thoughts here - I have to say that Saturday/Sunday's shows found me WARMING to Gabby Logan - which I really didn't think I would do. And I really liked her & James' quickstep - it had more humour and interest than some of the others (for me). To be honest, she came over as v human in her remarks afterwards, and I felt a bit bad that I'd decided I wouldn't like her before the series had even started.

So, I may be one of the few people that could vote for her!

Good for you!

Actually, a lot of people are not objecting to her QS. I quite like it too, especially the kicking sequence in the middle, which I thought was very clever choreography and musically adept.

I also personally think she should score 30 instead of 29. Not that it makes a difference to her, I guess, for she would still be place fourth and looked like this: