If we are talking about someone who hasn't played the game very much and is new to FPS too than I'd say the M16 is the perfect first weapon - its accurate, and its three bullet burst "should" guarantee a kill. add the grenade launcher perk to it (its not called a noob tube for nothing), stopping power and either extreme conditioning/deep impact.

As other have said try not to run around too much and don't play either Free-For-All or Team Deathmatch (unless you hang back) because in both of these games the objective is to kill the opposition so the other team will be gunning for you from the start. Try Domination as your opponents attention will be divided between capturing the flags and racking up the kills.

Sabotage and Headquarters can also give your friend the chance to learn the ropes without everyone constantly trying to blast his head off.

Hakz, in saying all that, you're not new to the game yourself. What would be your own tips for your friend?

Get him to start a Private Lobby, either by himself or with someone who's been playing a while, so he can run through all the maps & get used to them - without someone trying to kill him. I did this when the new maps came out.

Domination is the best game mode, to start with, as it's not as manic as Headquarters & Sabotage and you can predict where the enemy are likely to be heading to & spawning from. (To the green flags - normally B, if your team has it, and spawning from the red ones.)

Ask him to concentrate on not dieing, to start with & then become more aggressive as he gets better at it.

Edit @ Minni: You do know more sniping spots than the tanker on Countdown (which is too well known to be useful anymore). You go to the best one on Creek, everytime & know where I go on Overgrown & Strike.

Alright I stand corrected

^^ Have to admit, I don't think that I've ever used an unsilenced pistol.

I think as a beginner class, it's either MP5 or the M16. The sniper rifle isn't worth bothering with at that point and the LMG isn't the best bet for a new person as the recoil probably, for them, won't be the easiest thing in the world to handle.

Regarding the sniper spots, that's actually a very good point. This time around I've been trying to get all the sniper achievements and I've come to know a lot of nice sniping spots across the maps, which will undoubtedly stand me in good stead going forward. Most maps have decent sniping point;

Ambush - Take your pick. Any of the elevated buidlings (if you have claymores). On the main road across B looking directly down one of the three paths that they can use to come up to B. Right at the back of the map on A side looking up the path towards B.

Backlot - The building with two sets of stairs, one at either side. The building at the opposite end of the map with the machine gun nest. Although, with both, don't be obvious and just sit in the most visible part. Tuck yourself away somewhere in those buildings and shoot at angles.

Bloc - Pretty much sniper heaven, but even now, trying to get the sniping achievements I still avoid that map like the plague.

Bog - At the top of the map, behind the container at the top on the left. A surprising one is just off the top of the mound at B. You'd be surprised how many kills you can pick up lying prone just off the top and the side of the mound. At the bottom of the map, if you're ultra cynical you can camp at your spawn point at the back of the building and shoot people coming through the shop. There's a great sniping spot on Bog in Old School, if you start at the bottom of the map, just go left out of the gate and in front of you there's a fruit stall, you can jump up on top of the stall and then jump up again and get on top of the blind. From there get into prone and you can see all across the map without being able to be seen yourself except from directly ahead.

Countdown - Anywhere around the periphery of the map, on top of the tankers/tanks, or inside the hangers.

Crash - The tall building is probably too obvious. Likewise the blue building, and the building directly opposite near to C. Probably the most cynical spot is if you start at C break left and go to the edge of the map. At the end there you can see all the way up that path that comes down from A. Get into prone and just pick them off on the way down. Most likely, because you're in prone and in the grass, they'll never even see you.

Creek - Too many. On top of the roof of the building next to A is a favourite, but again, obvious. Given the nature of the map though, there are so many spots for sniping, it's hardly worth trying to mention them all.

Crossfire - Again, the building at the top of the map, and the two at the bottom are obvious. The two best spots so far, down at the bottom of the map looking up the road, go into prone next to one of the cars in the middle of the road. Other than that, if you're being pushed back onto C, just go into the building behind C and hide either inside the doorway at the top, or behind the cooker in prone.

District - Only really found two decent spots on this one, and they're at either end of the road where B is. From either end, with sniper scope, you can pretty much see all along the road.

Downpour - One spot, that's all I've found really. At the bottom of the map, the greenhouse where A is, just to the side there's a garbage skip. Get in it and go into crouch. From there you have a clear view of the door of the building at the top on the lefthand side.

Killhouse - Who knows, only played it once. Given the size of the map though, sniping is unlikely.

Overgrown - Loads, but the best two for me; If you start on C side, the bridge on the left side, get up on the roof of the small building overlooking the bridge. The other one, if you start by the petrol station, right at the start go behind the oil drum and you can pick them off as they try and get control of B. A good spot is actually the wall by the bridge. From there you can pick off anyone coming towards/over the bridge from C, and also double back to cover B if you're in danger of losing it. There are a few more though; If you go into the building by B go right to the top and get onto the ledge of the hole in the wall that looks out onto the bridge coming from C. Not only do you overlook that area but if you get onto the ledge and crouch you can edge out and look out over the ravine and see the door of the building that's by C. You can take out anyone running through there, or anyone who's on the roof of that building.

Pipeline - The top of the map is obvious but I must admit, I don't snipe on this one.

Shipment - Not worth it.

Showdown - Again, I don't snipe this map.

Strike - Either, the top of the building by C, if you have claymores, or, the top of the steps of the building up from A. From there you can just sit at an angle and pick off anyone approaching A.

Vacant - Only found one spot on this. Outside the hanger, near A, there's an oil tanker. If you're by this you can see all the way across the map. Generally, there seems to be a lot of people running along here for one reason another. Easy kills.

Wetwork - On either bridge, or, if you're feeling lucky, any of the half decks in the middle of the maps.

Broadcast - In the building next to A. You can see anyone in the main reception, or anyone running towards C.

Chinatown - I don't bother sniping.

The best advice for sniping, if you can, protect yourself, ie. claymores. Always use a stealth configuration, ie. UAV Jam, dead silence, Iron Lungs. Finally, try and shoot at angles from behind cover, rather than taking the easier, but completely exposed shots.

How long did it take you to write all that????

^^ Not too long actually, once I got going. The hardest part was trying to remember all of the maps!

It's Friday, and I have no meetings all day, which means it's going to drag.

The aim for today, kill as much time as possible!

I will be On Tonight is there is space as for some strange reason i seem to be forgetting the maps ,GTA can wait for a night,so if there is space invite me around 8.30-9.00(when i come online)

OK, I'm staying in this thread from now on. It's fricking safer in here. I decided to venture "out" and read some of the other threads, and all there are are GTA, or PS3 vs 360. Seriously. Really starting to dislike this forum. Because for every 1 person that says "not another one" myself included, a half dozen of the same people come in moaning about the thread in the first place yet keep the stupid thing going with the same frickin arguments and facts! For every decent thread created they're wiped out by these incessant ones coming through.

You like the PS3 and it does it for you? FINE

You like the 360 and it does it for you? FINE

Get a BLOODY GRIP ON YOURSELVES AND STOP STARTING CRAP OVER IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN. And I don't care what way it's worded. The mods do a really good job of merging the same crap don't they?

Rant Over.

Ouch,Rant Indeed

Have a cup of your mocha chocca (whatever you call it) "coffee" and calm down

Some good spots there. I don't normally snipe on Domination, as the kill-cam makes it too easy to get tracked down & killed. And it's the easiest game mode to get kills with regular weapons, so it can feel like a bit of a waste.

A couple I would add, that I've done well with.

Overgrown: If you start near the bridge where A is (on Domination) quickly run round to the right and stand behind the box, near the bridge. You can snipe people moving accross the bridge from C & coming towards A through the grass. Make sure to check under the bridge for a sniper trying to take you out (can be difficult to see them, on my SDTV, if they stand in the shadows.

If you're getting shot at, or need to reload you can just crouch & they can't hit you.

Chinatown: Not played Domination on this map but this is useful on Search & Destroy. If you're defending, quickly run towards B and stand next to the wall behind the railings.

Don't go near the railings, as then you'll be an easy target, but just go far enough forward so you can have a shot at the cars at the other end of the road.

Look for someone crouching behind the yellow car, as the attacking team can get to their sniping spot faster than you. You can usually get 1-2 people per round from this position, if you're quick, (depending how often the opposition go to the same place to try and get revenge. ).

Any pistol is less powerfull when attached with a silencer. And i only 'really' use my pistol when sniping(for close range combat) or as a last resort(when your clip is empty) so i see a silenced pistol as being useless unless your playing s & d with a sniper.

Can't remember offhand, but do you get kill-cam with sniping? I can't remember seeing a kill-cam of me getting offed by a sniper, although from memory, I swear that I've been taken out before and NOT had the kill-cam. AFAIK, you can't have silencers on sniper rifles can you? So I'm not entirely sure how they managed that if you DO get kill-cam.

To be honest though, it's a moot point. Whenever I've made a kill I generally tend to move as a rule of thumb anyway. I figure staying in the same spot for long is just asking for trouble.

Overgrown - I love that one. You can do something similar on Bog if you start at the bottom. Go out of the gateway and just stand behind the fruit stall, you can pick them off as they run to A.

Not sniping, but my favourite killspot at the moment is on Strike. Run from A, the backway towards C and go to the edge of the map. Crouch down by the steps that lead up to the building across from where they can exit the courtyard to come towards A the backway. If you do this right at the beginning of the game you can usually catch a couple. At the moment, I pick M4 with grenade launcher, tank it around there, wait and then take out the first one/two that try and come through there. As soon as I've done that I just switch classes back to my regular weapon.

Managed to pull off one of my favourite kills last night on Crash. Someone was sniping from the building just up the road from C. Snook in, got behind him, planted a claymore, stepped back, shot him just the once to get his attention, he turned around, straight into the claymore, bang you're dead! lol

The other one is perching on the loo in Broadcast. You can just imagine the comments when they see on killcam that they were killed by someone sitting on a loo!

In my experience any pistol is pretty short range anyway, so I figure that if I have to get that close to kill them I may as well just knife them.

I go with the silenced pistol to take people out who're unawares without giving my position away to the rest of their team.

I always feel that if i'm close enough to pistol someone i don't really care if they know where i am, they're gonna eat pistol. I ain't bothered about the range. I just think the pistol is less powerfull when attached with the silencer.

^^ No, thinking about it, you're probably right. I'm fairly sure that when I'm using the silenced pistol it takes me at least 4 shots to make a kill. Obviously if their back's to you then it won't make much difference as firing off four bullets, even with a pistol, is fairly rapid. When they're facing you though, you're at a distinct disadvantage.

If you sneak up on someone with a silenced pistol go for the headshot. You'll get them in one shot & the rest of the other team won't know what type of weapon he was killed with. If they're not a proper clan then they probably won't relay the information to their team mates.

When I see someone on my team get killed with the pistol, shotgun & (obviously ) knife symbol I know that the person who killed them will be fairly close to where they were. If it's a headshot, then they could be anywhere.

^^ It always amazes me when people try and get really close to you to kill you and make a complete fcuk up of it. I've lost count of the number of fumbling attempts to stab me that have failed and resulted in them getting rinced.

My favourite one is when they're sneaking up on you and get get a UAV just in time to turn around and whack them!

Won't it just say at the bottom left

Randomguy *pistol picture* He4rt.

>?>

Not with a headshot. It will come as a red target

too compicated tbh....i just kill em as fast as i see em

If ever i pistol someone, i fully expect company weather i'm packing a silencer or not.

To be honest, my standard config includes claymores anyway, so if I've offed someone with a pistol and I'm expecting company, I'll just set them and wait for the fun to ensue!

lmao. Not played this game for ages and just got 8-0 on hardcore S & D against a french clan.....they don't sound happy