I think he meant me. I was doing better than normal so maybe that's why he got us confused.

Im not THAT good

Sorry cream-egg it wasn't you, it was DNR that was there last night.

"I have this condition, I get confused sometimes"

as long as DNR is only stroking my Ego, then i dont mind

Rest assured I don't have those sort of feelings for you.

We've found a new game mode we quite like, to the point we play nearly nothing else anymore. Hardcore Team Deathmatch is more enjoyable to play we find. However people REALLY need to get a grip on using Martyrdom on levels where friendly fire is on !

Just played vacant with some Italians and I basically never got a shot because their Martyrdom just kept killing me, that and the bloody stupid spawning system constantly spawning me in front of the enemy. Infinity Ward really need to sort that out and not by adding MORE spawn points, I want to see wider apart spawn points at the very least.

They need to implement a system that NEVER allows opposite enemy soldiers to spawn near each other somehow.It's highly unfair as it currently is.

and one more thing I'd like to add. I HATE all the Assault Rifles in this game they are an absolute joke. I have to stick to using the SMG class and a shotgun because of it. We've all used some of these guns before in other games, like the G36C in R6V and personally I think it was much better in R6V.

Seeing as how the M14 is the exact same gun as the M21 one of them should not have been put in the game and should be taken out ASAP !

and breathe

Yes Minnimo take note

I was playing with a American on Hardcore Search and Destroy,and i blew him up,he then basically in an abrupt manner told me to take martyrdom off,i then told him if he wasn't sniffing my arse i wouldn't have blown him up

I know that martyrdom is a pain,but i wouldn't switch it off for the world

I set up different classes for different game styles. For Hardcore games or S&D i dont bother with martyrdom, but if it is HQ and Team deathmatch etc (non-hardcore) then i use the class with it on.

You say ran in front of you I say you picked me off with the precission of a sniper!

Think I also took a grenade from a certain team member too, maybe you are all dropping hints?

That kid though was wierd, the bomb is mine and if not I will kill you. Think on one of the rounds we only had 3 players left after about 5 seconds, as we were too busy killing each other.

Maybe IW can add a new game mode? Hardcore Search & Destroy: DS Mode

The team all turn on each other and the survivor gets to take on the opposition (or the opposition survivor)

I think my main problem is that I have not really settled on what kind of gun / perk combo I want to use. Some american player criticised my choice of gun in one of the maps but the only way to upgrade the weapons is to use them.

I'm using the M14 just now - yes it's a one shot weapon but with double tap and steady aim it usually kills with two shots (without aiming down the sight) and once I get a scope for it it might be handy for mid range sniping. I'm also working on my G36c challenges.

As for perks I have an 'offensive assault' setting (m16, 3 frags, stopping power and the extreme conditioning) and a 'defensive mode' (m16, claymores, stopping power, deep impact).

I have a 'run and gun' setup with p90, bandolier (extra ammo), double tap, extreme conditioning for house to house or more compact maps. Quite a rate of fire!

I also have a 'walking bomb' setup (p90, 3frags, more explosive damage, martyrdom) - I try and avoid using that on hardcore modes.

My 'ghost/stealth' setup is silenced M16, claymores, UAV jammer, and extreme conditioning. I was using 'dead silence' but I think the ability to get to the objective (or access points to it) quickly and lay a couple of claymores is more advantageous than the occasional sneaky knife kill.

I suppose weapons and perks are all down to personal preference. We could probably start a whole new thread on the various combinations. I think what I am finding is that even though I have my basic setups above I am constantly tweaking them from map to map (sometimes for the better - usually for the worse!)

If i have my stopping power taken away i cry like a big baby!!! That is perk number 1 i must have!!!!

Then it is just a case of whatever unlocks and i have..... oh and i always try to have a silencer on my gun if one is available as well, because even tho it isnt needed as much on deathmatch type games and also lowers range a bit, it is still handy for concealing you on the map when you shoot.

I always use stopping power as well, apart from my AK47 stealth class, where I go for UAV Jammer instead. If the damage stat bar is nearly full I don't feel much benefit from stopping power.

I find Jugernaut completly useless. Unless the enemy is I don't notice the difference & seem to able to take the same amount of punishment without it.

I wish IW published the detail of the bonuses you get from perks. It would help you make a more informed choice.

Has anyone else noticed that they've 'brightened up' Wetwork? It looks really crap, like when you turn the brightness on your tv up too high.
The night vision goggles are now pointless.

Thats cos it WAS. I was walking in front of you, plain sight! And you flashbanged me! I didn't see your name because of that and I shot you! What did you expect! Tea and Biscuits? Not anymore

Plus, that kid, when you picked up the bomb and he shot you, I was totally shocked, so I aimed at him and shot him back on your behalf! Won't do that again

I know that 'juggernaut' has the effect of cancelling out 'stopping power'. Is putting twice as many bullets into an enemy with 'double tap' better than doing twice the damage with 'stopping power'.

I wonder if there is a page of statistics about damage / accuracy / range for CoD4 weapons. I found one for for Counter Strike with loads of graphs and stuff for every weapon type in the game. It gave test lab style results rather than anecdotal reviews of each weapon. It was certainly geeky but was quite revealing.

It depends on the weapon type. Stopping power is much better for single shot weapons or those with quick fire rates.

I've only ever used Double Tap on LMG's as it seems to be a lot more effective than Stopping Power.

Double tap on SMGs just causes you to run out of ammo quicker. Stopping power is much better for them, I've found.

I never threw a flashbang:sleep:

I don't remember a flashbang either.

The idiot George was at the front so it couldn't have been him as I shot him as soon as the map started

Anyway, I don't think we need an inquest - these things happen.

Oi you two, i own up to my team player killings, lord knows ive done enough.

Monk you threw a flashbang upstairs in Bloc,deny all ya like, DNR - you weren't there I'm not talking about when that little guy shot Monk, this was upstairs where the flames burn in the cylinder.

And that's the last I'll say on it. i know why I killed him.

It was downstairs actually

I found people can be childish on hardcore games too. I was once watching my OH play, and when they started this one game, this little kid shouted 'LIE DOWN' and noone took any notice, so he shot everyone and said 'i told you to lie down, were playing cops and robbers!!'

I was like WTF?

Whatever you say

Anyone else hate Headquarters on Shipment?

I managed 64:64 k:d ratio, just, I camped the last 20 seconds hehe

How the heck do other people manage 60+:20+ ratios on that map? I was second on the leaderboard but I had way more deaths than the people with similar kill scores.

I had 96 kills 42 deaths doing that once! it depends who you play against. If you have all decent/good players its absolute chaos. I normally finish about 20/30 kills up though