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Kelly and Brendan overmarked!!
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Numnum71
21-10-2007
I feel that for some reason - favouritism? - that the scores that Kelly and Brendan recieved for their Tango were way higher than they deserved.
As Len said, someone messed up during that routine, but there were obvious mistakes.
Being out of time
Stumbles
Mis-steps

Yeah, she is a good dancer, but I feel that yesterdays dance was not her best dance. I'd have given 7s and 8s, definitely not 9s!
LucyKay18
21-10-2007
Their tango wasn't polsihed enough for them to get marked all those 9's. I'm glad Len saw the mistakes and stuck to his thoughts.
MontyD
21-10-2007
Yes but they weren't the only ones to be overmarked I thought.
Aeryn
21-10-2007
Originally Posted by LucyKay18:
“Their tango wasn't polsihed enough for them to get marked all those 9's. I'm glad Len saw the mistakes and stuck to his thoughts.”

Not to mention that sneaky little lift close to the end of the dance. Typical Brendan again, I was glad that Len picked that up, and dropped a point for that. Brendan really doesn't learn.
swnymor1963
21-10-2007
I thought it was a great Tango.... but even I noticed the mistake( I`am no expert) I think straight 8s would have been fairer. Still a top 3 dance on the night though. Yes there was a mistake but it was a dramatic performance and deservedly praised.

Quick question.... Is there a strict rule about no lifts in the Tango........even if only by a few inches ?
ValLambert
21-10-2007
I'm a bit concerned about 9's at this stage of the competition. How do people improve and get better scores? very few professionals even get 10's.
SCD-Observer
21-10-2007
Great choreography (difficult), bleh about the music choice.

Noticed the mistake in the middle.

Also, I think the choreo, great as it is, is a little too difficult for Kelly to handle, so she actually panicked and even break up into a smile during the dance.

So yes, I also feel they are overmarked. Maybe all 8s will be more honest. Granted, they'll still be second place. Can't complain about their overall position in the leaderboard, though...
arddunol
21-10-2007
Originally Posted by MontyD:
“Yes but they weren't the only ones to be overmarked I thought.”

I agree.

And the only dances which are done on SCD with lifts allowed are the American Smooth and the Argentine tango .

The judges have penalised heavily in the past for lifts .

Often the lady will keep a foot or the toe of a shoe on the floor, in a spin perhaps , I sometimes think the pros can do that easily but the celebrities are not so adept at that type of move .
Aeryn
21-10-2007
Originally Posted by swnymor1963:
“I thought it was a great Tango.... but even I noticed the mistake( I`am no expert) I think straight 8s would have been fairer. Still a top 3 dance on the night though. Yes there was a mistake but it was a dramatic performance and deservedly praised.

Quick question.... Is there a strict rule about no lifts in the Tango........even if only by a few inches ? ”

there is a strict rule about no lifts in any of the dances, except the American Smooth, and the show dance in the final, and NO,not even a few inches with both feet off the floor isn't allowed. Len picked that one up, and it was noticable that he was quite irritated by that,.....judging by the look on his face.
Kaos
21-10-2007
Originally Posted by Aeryn:
“there is a strict rule about no lifts in any of the dances, except the American Smooth, and the show dance in the final, and NO,not even a few inches with both feet off the floor isn't allowed. Len picked that one up, and it was noticable that he was quite irritated by that,.....judging the look on his face.”

He was bound to be he's told Brendan off for doing it before...

It was overmarked, but I think 9's at this stage of the competition is a bit much for any of the dances ...
Paace
21-10-2007
Originally Posted by Numnum71:
“I feel that for some reason - favouritism? - that the scores that Kelly and Brendan recieved for their Tango were way higher than they deserved.
As Len said, someone messed up during that routine, but there were obvious mistakes.
Being out of time
Stumbles
Mis-steps

Yeah, she is a good dancer, but I feel that yesterdays dance was not her best dance. I'd have given 7s and 8s, definitely not 9s!”


I could say the exact same for Alesha and Matt. No way did she deserve four 9's. To give her four 8's would have been generous. She was way too stiff, with not enough moves.
Tissy
21-10-2007
Originally Posted by Aeryn:
“there is a strict rule about no lifts in any of the dances, except the American Smooth, and the show dance in the final, and NO,not even a few inches with both feet off the floor isn't allowed. Len picked that one up, and it was noticable that he was quite irritated by that,.....judging by the look on his face.”

Didnt Mark lift Karen is his AT last year?
swnymor1963
21-10-2007
Originally Posted by Aeryn:
“there is a strict rule about no lifts in any of the dances, except the American Smooth, and the show dance in the final, and NO,not even a few inches with both feet off the floor isn't allowed. Len picked that one up, and it was noticable that he was quite irritated by that,.....judging by the look on his face.”

I loved their dramatic Tango.........But Brendan appears to be playing with fire. Firstly it was his foot work error and then he performs an illegal lift. So I suppose you could say:

1- Dramatic Tango =9
2-Obvious mistake -1
3-Illegal lift............ -1

Score....Straight 7s..........No wonder Kelly gave him a slap
Aeryn
21-10-2007
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“Didnt Mark lift Karen is his AT last year?”

Sorry forgot to mention the AT, that's another dance where it's allowed.
robbies_gal
21-10-2007
i agree completely overmarked

lens the only one talking sense there
SCD-Observer
21-10-2007
Hmm. I seem to recall Gabby and James has one 'lift' in their jive as well?


Maybe if it's below knee level and than one second then it's 'acceptable'?
DerChef
21-10-2007
Der Chef says

Yeah it was a wee bit But this is the problem with the judges when they paint themselves into a corner early in the evening.

It was the best Tango but I would have said 4 x 8

PS I would have given Matt and Alesha the same BTW

Ohhhh Yeah

I am still sore at that mark they gave Penny and Ian's awful jive it was the worst dance of the evening but then the fab 4 are seeing a bigger picture
claire2281
21-10-2007
My initial reaction was 8 and having rewatched it I stick with that.

There was the mistake, obviously, and in a move or two she looked a little unsteady as though Brendan was pulling her into position as if she wasn't quite certain of it. And he did lift her at the end as well which was a bit naughty.
swnymor1963
21-10-2007
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“My initial reaction was 8 and having rewatched it I stick with that.

There was the mistake, obviously, and in a move or two she looked a little unsteady as though Brendan was pulling her into position as if she wasn't quite certain of it. And he did lift her at the end as well which was a bit naughty.”

Having re watched Alesha`s Jive as well, I now think straight 8s would have been a fairer score. That said both Alesha and Kelly deserved to be at the top of the leader board.
claire2281
21-10-2007
Originally Posted by swnymor1963:
“Having re watched Alesha`s Jive as well, I now think straight 8s would have been a fairer score. That said both Alesha and Kelly deserved to be at the top of the leader board.”

No because there were no mistakes or sneaky lifts in Alesha's routine and you should rewarded (and conversely punished) for that.

Alesha was rightfully top, Kelly rightfully second.

The scoring I didn't exactly agree with last night but I thought on the whole the placings were correct.
Numnum71
21-10-2007
Originally Posted by swnymor1963:
“Having re watched Alesha`s Jive as well, I now think straight 8s would have been a fairer score. That said both Alesha and Kelly deserved to be at the top of the leader board.”

To be honest, much as I love Alesha, yeah, she should have had more 8s but she did dance better than Kelly.
I like Kelly too by the way!
Kevnaldo
21-10-2007
Kelly & Brendan weren't overmarked, they were very good.

However i feel that Kate & Anton were undermarked, I would have given them at least 21!

Willie Thorne to leave tonight.
swnymor1963
21-10-2007
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“No because there were no mistakes or sneaky lifts in Alesha's routine and you should rewarded (and conversely punished) for that.

Alesha was rightfully top, Kelly rightfully second.

The scoring I didn't exactly agree with last night but I thought on the whole the placings were correct.”

Totally agree. However my first impression of Alesha`s Jive was... WOW. However a few forum members have pointed out that she was a bit "stiff" . Obviously the more you view the dances the more faults you seem to find. That said, what counts for the viewer at home is the first impression and just like a football referee there are no multi angle, action replays for the judges....and most posters seem to agree that the score board was a fair reflection of the contestants performances.
dinosaur05
21-10-2007
The drama was good but she was a bit stumbley -and that was even before 'the mistake'. This is undoubtedly due to difficlut choreography. Most of her stumbles (on watching back) was when Brendans back was to the judges and when she broke into a smile she was in a position that the judges could not see her face.

It may well have looked dfferent from where they were sitting.

A good dance but should have been 4 8's I feel.
sophisticate
21-10-2007
I thought they were fairly good. They were overmarked but not as much as some other couples. I thought Gethin and Camilla were horrible. Kenny Logan wasn't that good easier. I know the mae celebrities have it harder in the fact that they have to lead but still. Those two couples didn't deserve the marks that they got where Kelley and Brendan's performance was a bit closer in quality to the marks they recieved.
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