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Kelly and Brendan overmarked!!
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Electrat
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“I agree, Erin, in general, with your comments. In particular, I don't think there should be so many nine dished out so early in the competition. There are good performances in some of the dances, but to hear Craig saying if Gabby didn't make mistakes she would have tens (nines maybe) would be quite debatable...”


Yeh, I think it's too early for the 9's, especially where Kelly and Brendon were concerned. There was lots of passion but even I could see there were mistakes and some parts just looked sloppy. Gabby was great but she certainly isn't at a professional standard which getting 10's as Craig wanted to give her, would suggest.
SCD-Observer
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by Electrat:
“Yeh, I think it's too early for the 9's, especially where Kelly and Brendon were concerned. There was lots of passion but even I could see there were mistakes and some parts just looked sloppy. Gabby was great but she certainly isn't at a professional standard which getting 10's as Craig wanted to give her, would suggest.”

In Kelly's defence, I have said elsewhere that the choreography was TOO difficult for Kelly (though she had dance experience) to handle. The the spin-and-cocking-leg-backward moves was the case in point. I mean, why do so many of them and she wasn't even really good at it? One or maybe two times would suffice and it wouldn't then cause her to look SO uncomfortable and unstable on her feet. That looked to me to be very difficult to execute and I am sure it was...
BMLisa
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by EmilyIRE:
“Definitely, but so were some other couples. 8 across the board would have been fairer for them.

Thought Dom and Lilia and Gethin and Camilla were also overmarked though.”


I agree that Dom and Lilia were way overmarked, The choreography was fab, and I think this hindered their judgement. Dom was out of time most of the dance and I noticed at one point lilia wasn't keeping up with the beat, don't know if the music was too fast or if she was trying to sychronise with Dom rather than go with the beat, but it was obvious to me that depite being an enjoyable dance, it was waaaaaaaay to hard for Dom to master!
SCD-Observer
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“I agree that Dom and Lilia were way overmarked, The choreography was fab, and I think this hindered their judgement. Dom was out of time most of the dance and I noticed at one point lilia wasn't keeping up with the beat, don't know if the music was too fast or if she was trying to sychronise with Dom rather than go with the beat, but it was obvious to me that depite being an enjoyable dance, it was waaaaaaaay to hard for Dom to master!”

Jive is NOT an easy dance, unlike cha cha cha where you can shake about and just about get away with it with a good performance.
Erinfan
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by frell-tastic:
“I agree with the above, I actually prefered Kenny's to Gethin's, and Gethin's face was very scary-and not in a good way!”

So did I.
dancingbearbear
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by Aeryn:
“there is a strict rule about no lifts in any of the dances, except the American Smooth, and the show dance in the final, and NO,not even a few inches with both feet off the floor isn't allowed. Len picked that one up, and it was noticable that he was quite irritated by that,.....judging by the look on his face.”

In last week's DWTS practically ALL the dances had illegal lifts in them, and Len was rather peeved about it ~ guess he's even more annoyed to get back here and find it happening again (although doesn't Brendan have a tendency to put illegal lifts in e.g. with Fiona, Claire,etc ~ you know, cos he's superbad and all that ).
Electrat
22-10-2007
I thought Gethin's face was scary too, there's a difference between intense and downright angry. I thought Dom and Lillia were overmarked, he was out of time and fairly flat footed. Maybe Lillia's bobbles on her bottom hypnotised the judges!!
dancingbearbear
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by Erinfan:
“The lift definitely wasn't intended - it was a little bit of a mistake for the feet to come off the floor. Whether she should have marks taken off for that is debatable, the judges haven't really penalised for this in the past and I don't think they should have for this routine.”

Yes, they have ~ off the top of my head, Arlene took marks off Jill Halfpenny in one of their dances (may have been the cha cha) when Jill's feet came off the floor accidentally in their finishing position ~ it was acknowledged to be a mistake, but she was still penalised.
Erinfan
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by dancingbearbear:
“Yes, they have ~ off the top of my head, Arlene took marks off Jill Halfpenny in one of their dances (may have been the cha cha) when Jill's feet came off the floor accidentally in their finishing position ~ it was acknowledged to be a mistake, but she was still penalised.”

There have been exceptions, but overall if the lift looked like a mistake nd not intentional, it has been ignored. It happened to Jill in another dance and was ignored and has also happened to other couples (such as Louisa for example) and it has also been ignored.
dancingbearbear
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by Erinfan:
“There have been exceptions, but overall if the lift looked like a mistake nd not intentional, it has been ignored. It happened to Jill in another dance and was ignored and has also happened to other couples (such as Louisa for example) and it has also been ignored.”


Well, the judges are nothing if not inconsistent!
Erinfan
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by dancingbearbear:
“Well, the judges are nothing if not inconsistent!”

That's true!
Dollystanford
22-10-2007
a 10 for me should be when you can't tell who's the pro and who's the celeb, and the only person really to have done that is Jill - Zoe came pretty close

but Louisa, Mark, Darren Gough, Emma Bunton - not one of them did a '10' dance

I just think the audience expects now too
Quizmike
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by Dollystanford:
“a 10 for me should be when you can't tell who's the pro and who's the celeb, and the only person really to have done that is Jill - Zoe came pretty close

but Louisa, Mark, Darren Gough, Emma Bunton - not one of them did a '10' dance

I just think the audience expects now too”

Louisa's ten came after Emma being overmarked for her jive (33) and then Louisa coming out and doing an obviously better one. Bruno had nowhere to go but to give a 10.

It was really good though!
johnen56
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by Dollystanford:
“a 10 for me should be when you can't tell who's the pro and who's the celeb, and the only person really to have done that is Jill - Zoe came pretty close

but Louisa, Mark, Darren Gough, Emma Bunton - not one of them did a '10' dance

I just think the audience expects now too”

Disagree with Mark....
Dollystanford
22-10-2007
I just never found Mark THAT good, I enjoyed watching him but didn't see what others see I guess!!
shoequeen
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by dancingbearbear:
“Yes, they have ~ off the top of my head, Arlene took marks off Jill Halfpenny in one of their dances (may have been the cha cha) when Jill's feet came off the floor accidentally in their finishing position ~ it was acknowledged to be a mistake, but she was still penalised.”

Hi dancingbearbear - you were right, it was the cha-cha. I remember it because it was one of my favourite performances of theirs. Arlene said it was the only Jill's foot coming off the floor accidentally that stopped her giving a 10.

Agree with the general comments on overmarking. 10s should be for, as Dollystanford says, a performance where you can't tell the celeb and the pro. For me, Jill's jive is still the dance that best shows that.

I thought the placings were pretty fair this week even if the marks were a little generous for Aleesha's jive, Gethin's tango and Kelly's tango.
Quizmike
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by Dollystanford:
“a 10 for me should be when you can't tell who's the pro and who's the celeb, and the only person really to have done that is Jill - Zoe came pretty close

but Louisa, Mark, Darren Gough, Emma Bunton - not one of them did a '10' dance

I just think the audience expects now too”

Don't forget to add Natasha, Denise, Colin and James to the list of ten receivers (although James' was in a Christmas special).
Thess
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by Aeryn:
“there is a strict rule about no lifts in any of the dances, except the American Smooth, and the show dance in the final, and NO,not even a few inches with both feet off the floor isn't allowed. Len picked that one up, and it was noticable that he was quite irritated by that,.....judging by the look on his face.”

Well that's almost right.

A lift is deemed to have occurred when the lady has both feet off the floor whilst being supported by her partner, where her feet are above the knee level OR they leave the floor for more than one beat of music.

This ruling allows for accidental lifts which happen from time to time. I didn't watch all of Brendan and Kelly's Tango and so didn't see this alleged lift. I'll have to watch it back on You Tube!
c graham
22-10-2007
Does anyone have karens interview up on you tube by any chance
SCD-Observer
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by Thess:
“Well that's almost right.

A lift is deemed to have occurred when the lady has both feet off the floor whilst being supported by her partner, where her feet are above the knee level OR they leave the floor for more than one beat of music.

This ruling allows for accidental lifts which happen from time to time. I didn't watch all of Brendan and Kelly's Tango and so didn't see this alleged lift. I'll have to watch it back on You Tube!”

Which goes to show that his 'lift' is not all that memorable (even if intentional).

I remembered seeing James 'lifting' Gabby in their jive as well and the judges didn't mention it at all.
Lottie24
22-10-2007
Totally agree they did not deserve those marks if they mess up as they have deduced points from others in previous weeks for mistakes, Alesha to win I say I think she is an amazing dancer and I love her energy.
dancingbearbear
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“Which goes to show that his 'lift' is not all that memorable (even if intentional).

I remembered seeing James 'lifting' Gabby in their jive as well and the judges didn't mention it at all.”

TBH I don't recall seeing either of these lifts (B&K, G&J) ~ must be the eyes failing with age! I shall have to watch them back again tonight
Kaos
22-10-2007
I didn't see the lifts either at first till I watched them back after being told about them... I don't think it was an intentional lft...
lach doch mal
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by Erinfan:
“I thought Gethin and Camilla were hugely overmarked! Way too slow and his left arm was soft and in the wrong position for the entire dance! Another couple, another night - that particular feature would have been murdered by the judges.

I also thought Kenny and Ola were undermarked. Far from perfect, but a lot better than the judges implied.”

Thanks I thought I was the only one that thought so.
allyfree
22-10-2007
Originally Posted by Erinfan:
“I thought Gethin and Camilla were hugely overmarked! Way too slow and his left arm was soft and in the wrong position for the entire dance! Another couple, another night - that particular feature would have been murdered by the judges.

I also thought Kenny and Ola were undermarked. Far from perfect, but a lot better than the judges implied.”

So did I........ and Karen Hardy according to this morning's Breakfast
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