Purely from a health and safety point of view, and in view of Dom's injury. I mean one could say it is heavy lifting and I'm sure some of the male pro dancers incorporate some sort of fitness regimen on top of their dancing to ensure they are strong enough to do lifts and I understand not all the dancers are lift specialists. It's one thing to learn a dance but quite another to lift your partner bodily thru the air
Should lifts be banned?
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Nobody forces them to do lifts. You're no more likely to injure yourself doing a lift than you are just dancing, in my opinion.
But Dom was injured larking about and throwing himself onto a mat, not lifting Lilia.
I think lifts are perfectly safe as the professional men know what they are doing and the pro women wouldn't let the celebs do it if they were not 100% sure it would be OK.
However, I do have to confess that I was slightly worried when Mark Ramprakash lifted Karen above his had last year. But it was OK on the night thank god!!
I think lifts are perfectly safe as the professional men know what they are doing and the pro women wouldn't let the celebs do it if they were not 100% sure it would be OK.
However, I do have to confess that I was slightly worried when Mark Ramprakash lifted Karen above his had last year. But it was OK on the night thank god!!
Originally Posted by Diamondlife:
“Purely from a health and safety point of view, and in view of Dom's injury. I mean one could say it is heavy lifting and I'm sure some of the male pro dancers incorporate some sort of fitness regimen on top of their dancing to ensure they are strong enough to do lifts and I understand not all the dancers are lift specialists. It's one thing to learn a dance but quite another to lift your partner bodily thru the air”
“Purely from a health and safety point of view, and in view of Dom's injury. I mean one could say it is heavy lifting and I'm sure some of the male pro dancers incorporate some sort of fitness regimen on top of their dancing to ensure they are strong enough to do lifts and I understand not all the dancers are lift specialists. It's one thing to learn a dance but quite another to lift your partner bodily thru the air”
Health and Safety!! - no-one forces anyone to dance and or lift. How boring are you??
Originally Posted by kar3n:
“But Dom was injured larking about and throwing himself onto a mat, not lifting Lilia.
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“But Dom was injured larking about and throwing himself onto a mat, not lifting Lilia.
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He wasn't larking about, what he said happened on live radio this morning was that they were going to practice the lift and Dom was worried about his hand placement in between her thighs with Lilia in a long dress and if he would get it right on the night, so wanted to try and practice the lift with his hands in different places just incase he missed it on the night, it would still work, and Lilia said no, she was worried about falling, and he got the crash mat and said "here, this will catch you if you fall, it'll be alright," and threw himself on it to demonstrate, not realising how hard it was and hurt his shoulder.
Don't believe the spin and editing on ITT.
Dont be so boring!
If they cant lift they wouldnt, the celebs and the pros both know whats best for them. And as for Doms injury that was his own fault because he's such an idiot, its nothing to do with him lifting Lilia.
If they cant lift they wouldnt, the celebs and the pros both know whats best for them. And as for Doms injury that was his own fault because he's such an idiot, its nothing to do with him lifting Lilia.
the lifts shouldn't be banned, but it would be nice if someone would stick to the rules for a change,.......
Originally Posted by Princessblueys:
“And as for Doms injury that was his own fault because he's such an idiot, its nothing to do with him lifting Lilia.”
“And as for Doms injury that was his own fault because he's such an idiot, its nothing to do with him lifting Lilia.”
Oh do excuse me correcting you by quoting what he said on live radio this morning!
Obviously you were in the training studio and know better than he does!
As you're under the misapprehension that he does the choreography aswell, and believe the hype about him being desperate to touch her bum, you clearly have no clue about TV manipulation!
Originally Posted by waynebird:
“Health and Safety!! - no-one forces anyone to dance and or lift. How boring are you??”
“Health and Safety!! - no-one forces anyone to dance and or lift. How boring are you??”
I'm not being boring Waynebird. I'm being deadly serious. These guys are attempting to LIFT their partners. Sometimes above their heads. My heart was in my mouth when Mark Ramprakash seemed to fluff his first lift in the final last year. And having watched tonight's show John definitely botched the lift with Nicole. Dancing is one thing but lifting is quite another
I think they should follow the rules during the main weeks up to the final because it makes the show dance that bit more special with no rules.
Originally Posted by Diamondlife:
“I'm not being boring Waynebird. I'm being deadly serious. These guys are attempting to LIFT their partners. Sometimes above their heads. My heart was in my mouth when Mark Ramprakash seemed to fluff his first lift in the final last year. And having watched tonight's show John definitely botched the lift with Nicole. Dancing is one thing but lifting is quite another”
“I'm not being boring Waynebird. I'm being deadly serious. These guys are attempting to LIFT their partners. Sometimes above their heads. My heart was in my mouth when Mark Ramprakash seemed to fluff his first lift in the final last year. And having watched tonight's show John definitely botched the lift with Nicole. Dancing is one thing but lifting is quite another”
I like the lifts in the AS.
Lifting is part of partnering, and all male dancers have to learn to lift, albeit they have a longer time period, but I wouldn't like to see them banned.
Originally Posted by La Rhumba:
“Oh do excuse me correcting you by quoting what he said on live radio this morning!
Obviously you were in the training studio and know better than he does!
As you're under the misapprehension that he does the choreography aswell, and believe the hype about him being desperate to touch her bum, you clearly have no clue about TV manipulation!”
“Oh do excuse me correcting you by quoting what he said on live radio this morning!
Obviously you were in the training studio and know better than he does!
As you're under the misapprehension that he does the choreography aswell, and believe the hype about him being desperate to touch her bum, you clearly have no clue about TV manipulation!”
I meant the injury wasnt caused when he was physically lifting Lilia, it was when he jumped on the mat yeah it might have been to show her and all that but didnt need to do it with such a force.
And i dont believe any kind of 'hype' i dont even see it, i'm just going by what i've seen in his routines and my opinion on that. Or oh sorry are we not allowed to have that anymore, do we all have to go by what you think where Dom can seemingly do no wrong.
I do agree with you that lifts are a great part of the AS though and shouldnt be taken out.
Originally Posted by La Rhumba:
“I like the lifts in the AS.
Lifting is part of partnering, and all male dancers have to learn to lift, albeit they have a longer time period, but I wouldn't like to see them banned.”
“I like the lifts in the AS.
Lifting is part of partnering, and all male dancers have to learn to lift, albeit they have a longer time period, but I wouldn't like to see them banned.
”
I like the lifts in the American Smooth too. I guess what I'm trying to get at is the sort of "mandatory" nature of the lifts which may potentiallly end in injury for a male celeb or female pro dancer. I guess it's fine if you're beefy or athletic. But then again I don't know enough about the juidging I suppose. Would a couple necessarily lose points if they chose not to include lifts?
La Rhumba The mats were there for safety. But Dom larked around and deliberately threw himself down onto them and hurt himself. There was no reason to do that, as I'm certain Lilia knows what they are used for. Please don't be so condescending of others. We know the facts.
I don't follow American style dancing, so I really couldn't say for sure, but I would guess not.
In showdance, many couples choose to do lifts, but there is nothing to say that they have to. It's probably more charateristic of the dance to actually do it, though, but I really don't think it matters if a couple chooses not to.
In showdance, many couples choose to do lifts, but there is nothing to say that they have to. It's probably more charateristic of the dance to actually do it, though, but I really don't think it matters if a couple chooses not to.
All I'd say is that in a competition like this, all the dancers should be allowed to put two (!) lifts in their dances or none. I know the rules for the various dances, etc, but they are so showstopping and dramatic that they put the couples doing the other dance at an enormous disadvantage. Doesn't feel fair to me.
Originally Posted by duryea:
“La Rhumba The mats were there for safety. But Dom larked around and deliberately threw himself down onto them and hurt himself. There was no reason to do that, as I'm certain Lilia knows what they are used for. Please don't be so condescending of others. We know the facts.”
“La Rhumba The mats were there for safety. But Dom larked around and deliberately threw himself down onto them and hurt himself. There was no reason to do that, as I'm certain Lilia knows what they are used for. Please don't be so condescending of others. We know the facts.”
No, god forbid I should stop everyone from the freedom to bash Dom at every available opportunity.
Just bear in mind that in TV editing is for a reason. Even the Queen has found that fact out.
Originally Posted by duryea:
“La Rhumba The mats were there for safety. But Dom larked around and deliberately threw himself down onto them and hurt himself. There was no reason to do that, as I'm certain Lilia knows what they are used for. Please don't be so condescending of others. We know the facts.”
“La Rhumba The mats were there for safety. But Dom larked around and deliberately threw himself down onto them and hurt himself. There was no reason to do that, as I'm certain Lilia knows what they are used for. Please don't be so condescending of others. We know the facts.”
But he was only doing it because he thought they were safe to fall on, to demonstrate to Lilia. He wouldn't have done it if he'd realised they weren't, as the whole point was that he wanted to lift Lilia without worrying about hurting her if she fell.
Originally Posted by Diamondlife:
“I like the lifts in the American Smooth too. I guess what I'm trying to get at is the sort of "mandatory" nature of the lifts which may potentiallly end in injury for a male celeb or female pro dancer. I guess it's fine if you're beefy or athletic. But then again I don't know enough about the juidging I suppose. Would a couple necessarily lose points if they chose not to include lifts?”
“I like the lifts in the American Smooth too. I guess what I'm trying to get at is the sort of "mandatory" nature of the lifts which may potentiallly end in injury for a male celeb or female pro dancer. I guess it's fine if you're beefy or athletic. But then again I don't know enough about the juidging I suppose. Would a couple necessarily lose points if they chose not to include lifts?”
That's a point I wish the Judges would make clear, and so far they haven't.
The AS on SCD is a hybrid dance anyway. On DWTS they don't do any lifts [or aren't supposed to] till the Freestyle Final, and the Ballroom rhythms are all danced in AS style, ie only partly in hold, but without lifts.
Originally Posted by La Rhumba:
“That's a point I wish the Judges would make clear, and so far they haven't.
The AS on SCD is a hybrid dance anyway. On DWTS they don't do any lifts [or aren't supposed to] till the Freestyle Final, and the Ballroom rhythms are all danced in AS style, ie only partly in hold, but without lifts.”
“That's a point I wish the Judges would make clear, and so far they haven't.
The AS on SCD is a hybrid dance anyway. On DWTS they don't do any lifts [or aren't supposed to] till the Freestyle Final, and the Ballroom rhythms are all danced in AS style, ie only partly in hold, but without lifts.”
AAARGGH!!!! La Rhumba don't mention the dances on DWTS to me
. Funnily enough I find myself agreeing with Len when he's judging on DWTS. The American Smooth aspect to the Ballroom dances lets couples get away with putting too little content into their dances in my opinion. In fact as far as DWTS goes perhaps they should put lifts IN to make them interesting
Originally Posted by Diamondlife:
“AAARGGH!!!! La Rhumba don't mention the dances on DWTS to me. Funnily enough I find myself agreeing with Len when he's judging on DWTS. The American Smooth aspect to the Ballroom dances lets couples get away with putting too little content into their dances in my opinion. In fact as far as DWTS goes perhaps they should put lifts IN to make them interesting”
“AAARGGH!!!! La Rhumba don't mention the dances on DWTS to me
. Funnily enough I find myself agreeing with Len when he's judging on DWTS. The American Smooth aspect to the Ballroom dances lets couples get away with putting too little content into their dances in my opinion. In fact as far as DWTS goes perhaps they should put lifts IN to make them interesting”
Totally, I've never seen one Foxtrot danced on there, and it makes me laugh when couples finish and go to the Panel and Len always says, "that was really an American Smooth not a Foxtrot" and they look baffled.
Originally Posted by Diamondlife:
“Purely from a health and safety point of view, and in view of Dom's injury. I mean one could say it is heavy lifting and I'm sure some of the male pro dancers incorporate some sort of fitness regimen on top of their dancing to ensure they are strong enough to do lifts and I understand not all the dancers are lift specialists. It's one thing to learn a dance but quite another to lift your partner bodily thru the air”
“Purely from a health and safety point of view, and in view of Dom's injury. I mean one could say it is heavy lifting and I'm sure some of the male pro dancers incorporate some sort of fitness regimen on top of their dancing to ensure they are strong enough to do lifts and I understand not all the dancers are lift specialists. It's one thing to learn a dance but quite another to lift your partner bodily thru the air”
SCD is based on the Baz Luhman film 'Strictly Ballroom' as well as 'Come Dancing'. Lifts are very much part of the format.
I'm glad they have lifts! I enjoy watching the coules do lifts but perhaps having the american smooth in week 4 where they are allowed lifts might be a bit early because some of them dont seem to have the skill or confidence to carry it off smoothly and successfully!
Originally Posted by Spinaker5:
“SCD is based on the Baz Luhman film 'Strictly Ballroom' as well as 'Come Dancing'. Lifts are very much part of the format.”
“SCD is based on the Baz Luhman film 'Strictly Ballroom' as well as 'Come Dancing'. Lifts are very much part of the format.”
It's only the title that the Baz Luhrman film lent to Strictly, and only the AS and final Freestyle where Lifts are allowed - not in any other Dance.
Originally Posted by princess_katy:
“I'm glad they have lifts! I enjoy watching the coules do lifts but perhaps having the american smooth in week 4 where they are allowed lifts might be a bit early because some of them dont seem to have the skill or confidence to carry it off smoothly and successfully!”
“I'm glad they have lifts! I enjoy watching the coules do lifts but perhaps having the american smooth in week 4 where they are allowed lifts might be a bit early because some of them dont seem to have the skill or confidence to carry it off smoothly and successfully!”
On the whole I've very impressed how well the lifts are done by the male celebs, no-one's ever had a disaster yet.
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