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The objective thread
irishmikee
28-10-2007
Surely I can't be the only one who doesn't support anyone or doesn't want to start an appreciation thread for one couple, but instead votes each week based on the best performance or most improved. I hate when you see people knocking some of the couples performances, even when they're good just because they got higher marks than their favourite couples.
I usually vote around three times a week.
Last week i voted twice for alesha and matthew and once for kelly and brendan. This week I voted twice for matt and flavia and once for letitia and darren.
I hope others join this anti-favouritism thread!
dinosaur05
28-10-2007
Well, I do have my favourites (Letitia and Darren) but I also vote for dances that inspire me on any particular week as well.

I think its great that you are so objective -I actually think most of the GBP vote the way that you do. Week by week and dance by dance, unlike the forum.
Sports Fan
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by dinosaur05:
“Well, I do have my favourites (Letitia and Darren) but I also vote for dances that inspire me on any particular week as well.

I think its great that you are so objective -I actually think most of the GBP vote the way that you do. Week by week and dance by dance, unlike the forum.”




Surely your second paragraph suggesting that the majority of the viewing public vote in an objective manner doesn't belong in this thread.

How do you account for Chris Parker reaching the final or Emma Bunton losing out to Mark and Matt. Surely, on an objective basis the public would have booted Chris Parker out long before the final and Emma would have been crowned winner in 2006.

Perhaps I should open a new thread titled 'THE BONKERS THREAD'. You'd be welcome to post it there.
*Laura*
28-10-2007
I think it's difficult to be objective when personalities are involved. My faves this year are John, Dom and Matt and out of those 3 only Matt has a realistic chance of making the final. What has taken the objectivity away from SCD is the judges inconsistency if a judge is going to give a perfect score for an "illegal" routine then there will be a backlash from the public. They don't seem to have learned their lesson from previous series. I've no doubt that there will be an "outcry" on ITT when this weeks result is announced but, they can hardly blame the voting public when they themselves are haphazard in their scores and comments.
claire2281
28-10-2007
Yeah, tbh, I think you'll find very few out there are truly objective.

They are certainly few who are going to think 'well I can't stand so-and-so but I thought they did the best dance so will vote for them'.
Austen1984
28-10-2007
I have people i like and I don't like - but that changes as they change. I don't like Brendan's personality at all - but I'm increasingly enjoying his dances with Kelly (minus stupid illegal move!). I like Kate but recognise that her dancing is really very shoddy - and the others change from week to week. Of course personality has a lot to do with it as they are all interviewed to death (not a criticism - I love watching interviews!) throughout the week!
dinosaur05
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by Sports Fan:
“Surely your second paragraph suggesting that the majority of the viewing public vote in an objective manner doesn't belong in this thread.

How do you account for Chris Parker reaching the final or Emma Bunton losing out to Mark and Matt. Surely, on an objective basis the public would have booted Chris Parker out long before the final and Emma would have been crowned winner in 2006.

Perhaps I should open a new thread titled 'THE BONKERS THREAD'. You'd be welcome to post it there.”



Err, thats a bit rude

What I mean is that the viewing public might not steadily vote for one particular favourite like many of us do. Instead, they may change their vote from week to week -in one week a viewer may vote for the best dancer, another week they may vote for the dance they believe to be the most entertaining most entertaining even if they were terrible. This is different to the way that many forumites (although not all) vote ( some people would vote for their favourites if they fell over mid dance)

Therefore, I was talking about objectivity from a very personal sense - objectivity doesnt always mean the best partnership will be voted for. Indeed, the OP stated that they voted for people they believed had improved -not neccessarily those at the top of the leader board.

Im very sorry if you think my views dont belong in here -perhaps I misunderstood the thread or didnt make clear enough what I was trying to say. However, I think your response was a bit harsh.
Crystal Tips
28-10-2007
Not sure any of us, even the judges can be truly objective irishmikee. Even the more informed dance teachers/judges/former competitors sometimes disagree about the quality of dancing or performance. And it is inevitable that viewers will bring different expectations, preferences, prejudices to their viewing and voting. If we are drawn to someone's personality, or we identify with them, we may tend to overlook the mis-step or lack of rhythmn. If we think someone is a big head/too ambitious/not bothered enough/, we will see these qualities in things that they say or do. And really we all do it to some extent. We do it in real life, too.

But where I do agree with you is that beyond a certain point with preferences and prejudices, there are some people who clearly cannot dance very well and most of us can recognise that...even if some of us might want them kept on because we like the underdog or we like their bum,and some of us might want them burned at the stake because we don't like being manipulated. Good for you for voting for who you think is best each week and trying not to get drawn in too much to blinding favouritism. Its a good way to do it.
irishmikee
28-10-2007
ahh crystal tips you speak alot of sense there. I know what you're saying and i do agree with you, its just all the sycophantic appreciation threads in here that i dislike, where people are so clearly unobjective in their opinions.
Yeah its difficult to remain objective with personalities coming into it, i've had to stop reading some appreciation threads because its actually putting me off the couple.
Sports Fan
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by dinosaur05:
“Err, thats a bit rude

What I mean is that the viewing public might not steadily vote for one particular favourite like many of us do. Instead, they may change their vote from week to week -in one week a viewer may vote for the best dancer, another week they may vote for the dance they believe to be the most entertaining most entertaining even if they were terrible. This is different to the way that many forumites (although not all) vote ( some people would vote for their favourites if they fell over mid dance)

Therefore, I was talking about objectivity from a very personal sense - objectivity doesnt always mean the best partnership will be voted for. Indeed, the OP stated that they voted for people they believed had improved -not neccessarily those at the top of the leader board.


Im very sorry if you think my views dont belong in here -perhaps I misunderstood the thread or didnt make clear enough what I was trying to say. However, I think your response was a bit harsh.”


My response was both objective and logical. I merely pointed out what I saw as the flaw in your reasoning. And after all this is the 'Objective Thread'. And as such I (with tongue-in-cheek) suggested an alternative thread in which your illogical statement could be posted.

If I have offended, then you have my sincerest apologies.

However, yes of course, there will be many viewers who will vote from week to week based on what they subjectively believe to be the best dance. But how large a percentage of the voting population will this be??

I have mentioned this on other threads before, but the idea of LIKEABILITY is key to winning this competition. Nobody will vote for a 'miserable git' to take an extreme. You really do have to appeal, to get someone to get out of their seat and phone a vote through for you.
The Lady Boz
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by Sports Fan:
“Surely your second paragraph suggesting that the majority of the viewing public vote in an objective manner doesn't belong in this thread.

How do you account for Chris Parker reaching the final or Emma Bunton losing out to Mark and Matt. Surely, on an objective basis the public would have booted Chris Parker out long before the final and Emma would have been crowned winner in 2006.

Perhaps I should open a new thread titled 'THE BONKERS THREAD'. You'd be welcome to post it there.”

I would have thought that the GBP (God belss 'em) were objective in NOT voting for Emma Bunting, she wasn't the best dancer.
The Lady Boz
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by Sports Fan:
“Surely your second paragraph suggesting that the majority of the viewing public vote in an objective manner doesn't belong in this thread.

How do you account for Chris Parker reaching the final or Emma Bunton losing out to Mark and Matt. Surely, on an objective basis the public would have booted Chris Parker out long before the final and Emma would have been crowned winner in 2006.

Perhaps I should open a new thread titled 'THE BONKERS THREAD'. You'd be welcome to post it there.”

I would have thought that the GBP (God bless 'em) were objective in NOT voting for Emma Bunting, she wasn't the best dancer.
*Sparkle*
28-10-2007
I have my favourites, but I've not pinned my colours to any particular mast yet in terms of who I want to win. I think it is inevitable that personality will come into it, or people will think back to the week before. What does intimidate me with some of the couple specific threads is that some of the regulars were fans of that particular professional from last year, and if the new celeb is talented and good fun, then that's a bonus.
dinosaur05
28-10-2007
[quote=Sports Fan;18973366]My response was both objective and logical. I merely pointed out what I saw as the flaw in your reasoning. And after all this is the 'Objective Thread'. And as such I (with tongue-in-cheek) suggested an alternative thread in which your illogical statement could be posted.

If I have offended, then you have my sincerest apologies.
QUOTE]

Alright, I am a sensitive soul you know!
MegaDancer
28-10-2007
There are pros/celebs I like and dislike - none rabidly like some posters.
I find some of the threads so OTT about either the pro or the celeb that you have to wonder about what goes on in people's minds! Sometimes reminds me of when I was about 12 or 13 and drooling over Donnie or David Cassidy in the way only pre-pubescent girls can manage!
Im not getting at anyone - I find it rather amusing and entertaining - if I didn't I wouldn't pop in to read them!
Sallyforth
28-10-2007
I know what the OP meant as far as not pinning colours to a mast...but even if you change votes from week to week, you are still being subjective in that decision each time.
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