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Couple of DVD questions
Ok firstly,
I have recorded a film from Sky in HQ into my HD recorder. I want to transfer it onto DVD but it keeps popping up a message saying there is not enough disk space. If this maybe because I should have recorded at a lower quality. Secondly, only had the HD recorder a few weeks and have missed many recordings from SKY. Have pinned it down to the fact that you HAVE to set the recorder BEFORE the Sky box comes on. If it's the other way round you only record a blank screen and only the sound is heard. The machine in question is a Philips DVDR3440H. I have tried shortening the Scart leads but that didn't work. Wondering if gold leads would improve the signal?? Any advice gratefully received.
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Ok firstly,
I have recorded a film from Sky in HQ into my HD recorder. I want to transfer it onto DVD but it keeps popping up a message saying there is not enough disk space. If this maybe because I should have recorded at a lower quality. . ![]() SP= 2hr, LP= 4hr, EP= 6hr. Hope this helps. |
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HQ will only give you 1hr of recording,
SP= 2hr, LP= 4hr, EP= 6hr. Hope this helps.
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Thanks but the problem is that on the HD the film is recorded as SP (for higher quality), I need to put it onto DVD but it keeps saying there is not enough space on the DVD. There does not seem to be an option to change the quality to be able to burn it on to disk
![]() BTW, use HDD (for Hard Disk Drive) rather than HD (for High Definition). |
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Perhaps it won't allow you to change it when dubbing?, because it makes a digital copy - to change the quality would probably require converting from digital to analogue, then converting back to digital again with a lower quality setting. As far as I'm aware my Panasonic HDD/DVD allows you to do it?.
BTW, use HDD (for Hard Disk Drive) rather than HD (for High Definition). Had a feeling it could have been that. Does not tell you in the manual though ![]() Now just need to sort out the Scart issue and I will be sorted
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Now just need to sort out the Scart issue and I will be sorted
![]() If you subscribe to Sky, then upgrade to Sky+, and cure all your problems!. |
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I don't see as you have a SCART issue?.
If you subscribe to Sky, then upgrade to Sky+, and cure all your problems!. What I cannot understand is why he cannot copy his HDD recording onto DVD at SP rather than what the OP calls HQ which I assume is what most of us know as XP? |
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How does that solve his problems? AFAIK Sky + records to HDD as he is doing at the moment.
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What I cannot understand is why he cannot copy his HDD recording onto DVD at SP rather than what the OP calls HQ which I assume is what most of us know as XP? |
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Ok firstly,
I have recorded a film from Sky in HQ into my HD recorder. I want to transfer it onto DVD but it keeps popping up a message saying there is not enough disk space. If this maybe because I should have recorded at a lower quality. Secondly, only had the HD recorder a few weeks and have missed many recordings from SKY. Have pinned it down to the fact that you HAVE to set the recorder BEFORE the Sky box comes on. If it's the other way round you only record a blank screen and only the sound is heard. The machine in question is a Philips DVDR3440H. I have tried shortening the Scart leads but that didn't work. Wondering if gold leads would improve the signal?? Any advice gratefully received. ![]() If you had a make like Panasonic or Pioneer (and others) then there would be a conversion mode performed in real time only that will fill the dvd with the movie at the best possible bit rate without wasting space. Panny call it "Flexible Record" ,Pioneer call it "Optimise". This re-encoding is one of the key features I always mention to people when they say they are going to buy a cheap recorder. The recorders that rely on DVD+ never seem to offer a conversion mode and you end up with the problem you have. AS that is the case you need to try and estimate the running time of the movie (after editing ads out etc) then record at the level for that running time. This will then transfer from HDD to DVD at high speed. Other recorders also copy to dvd at high speed but it relies on you recording at the correct quality level. But as you can see a rate conversion mode is extremely useful. If the machine does not have this feature (and I've never seen a Philips that does)then you are basically stuffed and can either split it onto 2 dvd's or wait for a re-broadcast. There are PC programs that can help you out but messing about doing re-encoding is not really worth the hassle. |
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How does that solve his problems? AFAIK Sky + records to HDD as he is doing at the moment.
What I cannot understand is why he cannot copy his HDD recording onto DVD at SP rather than what the OP calls HQ which I assume is what most of us know as XP? They can only do a direct digital copy from the HDD in the same quality as the HDD recording. They cannot change the quality mode. As I said above ,plenty of other makes will offer this feature but he's stuck with the Philips and will now have to take care when recording stuff. A Sky+ would most definitely make the recording options easier than a standalone as there's no need to activate separate boxes and Sky+ also offers dual record and DD sound. |
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Because it makes it simple to record, in perfect quality (at least exactly the same as watching it live), and he could easily transfer it to DVD via SCART. Saves all his current messing about setting both recorder and Sky box.
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Well there's more confusing silly letters than you can shake a stick at!. But, from what I gather, his HDD/DVD recorder will only dub at the speed the HDD was recorded at - as he's recorded it at too high a quality to fit on a DVD at that quality, he's a little stuffed!.
As you appear to work fo a Sony dealer could you advise whether the Sony 870 would have this problem? As suboftheday says this would not be a problem with a Panny HDD/DVD recorder, which would give optimised quality for a flexible time just as I am able to do with material recorded to my PCHDD and then burnt to DVD. |
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Gilson - Is your surname Gilson. Just wondered why you chose the name. The reason I am interested is its an unusual Surname and happens to be mine!!
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Thats not the OP's issue as I read it!
Don't personally see the letters as silly. There is a general concensus as to useage on this forum which most adhere to. As you appear to work fo a Sony dealer could you advise whether the Sony 870 would have this problem? As suboftheday says this would not be a problem with a Panny HDD/DVD recorder, which would give optimised quality for a flexible time just as I am able to do with material recorded to my PCHDD and then burnt to DVD. Sony machines do have a rate convert option just like Panny and Pioneer machines,although a few ranges back they came with the suicidal option of NO DIVIDE . So if you did a bulk copy from Sky+ overnight (say 6 eps of a sitcom) there was no way to divide them into individual programmes for your dvd burn. But those machines were quickly withdrawn. For a while now Pioneer recorders will also burn to DVD-DL discs which is useful for some people. Not sure if Panny are there yet. |
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Looks like I am stuck with it on the HDD for now. Didn't realise when I bought the recorder that it wouldn't be able to record from a HQ recording to something suitable to fit onto a DVD. Maybe I should have done a bit of research before I bought it. It was only £120 and I did need a new DVD player after my last one died.
Still puzzled as to why it will not show Sky through Ext2 if the sky box come on before the recorder does. Its nothing major but its niggling at me as I lost a few important recordings
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Looks like I am stuck with it on the HDD for now. Didn't realise when I bought the recorder that it wouldn't be able to record from a HQ recording to something suitable to fit onto a DVD. Maybe I should have done a bit of research before I bought it. It was only £120 and I did need a new DVD player after my last one died.
Still puzzled as to why it will not show Sky through Ext2 if the sky box come on before the recorder does. Its nothing major but its niggling at me as I lost a few important recordings ![]() There may also be a setting on the recorder that enables it to auto switch on when the Sky box comes on. With Sky+ so cheap you really would find it much easier with Sky+. If you've not had the Philips for long take it back and get a Pioneer |
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Been all through the setup menu and there is no RGB input option. Quote:
There may also be a setting on the recorder that enables it to auto switch on when the Sky box comes on. ![]() Think it must be a bug with this model as the sound is there, to copy from Ext2 you have to cycle through the various other input options to bet back to it, then it displays correctly. (Or make sure the box comes on last). My only other thought was to run a Scart to S Video/Audio connector from Sky to the recorder but that seems a bit long winded way of doing it. My BETAMAX never had this much trouble!!
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Been all through the setup menu and there is no RGB input option.
I wish ![]() Think it must be a bug with this model as the sound is there, to copy from Ext2 you have to cycle through the various other input options to bet back to it, then it displays correctly. (Or make sure the box comes on last). My only other thought was to run a Scart to S Video/Audio connector from Sky to the recorder but that seems a bit long winded way of doing it. My BETAMAX never had this much trouble!! ![]() I know that Panny recorders have auto options? Why not get Sky+? |
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Why not get Sky+? Will no doubt get Sky+ in the future. The Philips works well if you manually record, just don't trust it to record something while out, or late at night when you are asleep.:yawn: |
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Wow too many sky fan boys here, sure he has encountered a problem with his set up, but sky+ aint all that, what if he upgrades on one of you's advice and is furnished with an Amstrad uint, will you be as helpfull when the afore mentioned knacks up in the first week?
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Page 34 of the manual clearly states that its not possible to change the quality when copying to dvd.
Page 37 onwards covers Timer recordings and it states that you need to leave the box on -so no auto option. |
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Wow too many sky fan boys here, sure he has encountered a problem with his set up, but sky+ aint all that, what if he upgrades on one of you's advice and is furnished with an Amstrad uint, will you be as helpfull when the afore mentioned knacks up in the first week?
![]() I am not a Sky fanboy. I have had Sky+ for 6 years ,Sky+ 160 for almost 3 of those. I also have a Freeview PVR ,Virgin tv and 2 Pioneer HDD/DVDR so I am far from biased. But having used all the equipment (including a Philips dvdr) I can say that compared to a Philips dvdr Sky+ is a modern miracle. If he gets a faulty unit he returns it. He does get a 12 month warranty with it Its not rocket science Sky+ is the best PVR on the market bar none. Sure its had its share of faulty models (the old Amstrad ones) and plenty of software glitches but its still the best |
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Duh!! Went out for a late dog walk to clear the head and realised that I had run a scart from the VCR socket on Sky to the recorder, no wonder it was having issues
![]() I really need a holiday!!! Cheers for the evenings Sky+ debate as well
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Ok firstly,
I have recorded a film from Sky in HQ into my HD recorder. I want to transfer it onto DVD but it keeps popping up a message saying there is not enough disk space. If this maybe because I should have recorded at a lower quality. Secondly, only had the HD recorder a few weeks and have missed many recordings from SKY. Have pinned it down to the fact that you HAVE to set the recorder BEFORE the Sky box comes on. If it's the other way round you only record a blank screen and only the sound is heard. The machine in question is a Philips DVDR3440H. I have tried shortening the Scart leads but that didn't work. Wondering if gold leads would improve the signal?? Any advice gratefully received. ![]() so you should be able to split the HQ recording into smaller parts that will fit on individual dvds if it's that important to keep At a push you could also then put them all on your computer and re encode them with something like dvd shrink so all parts fit on one disk if you wanted, or just keep the individual dvds. |
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Not an idea solution, but on most HD/ DVD recorders you are able to split recording once you've made them and they are on your HD
so you should be able to split the HQ recording into smaller parts that will fit on individual dvds if it's that important to keep At a push you could also then put them all on your computer and re encode them with something like dvd shrink so all parts fit on one disk if you wanted, or just keep the individual dvds. If so - how? I just got DVD Fab Platinum which can do that aswell as split stuff onto more than one disc,combine discs,copy data discs like PS2 games and PDF files and also converts into MP4 for ipod and psp |
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Does dvd shrink allow you to re-encode files from more than one disc per task?
If so - how? I just got DVD Fab Platinum which can do that aswell as split stuff onto more than one disc,combine discs,copy data discs like PS2 games and PDF files and also converts into MP4 for ipod and psp sorry for the late answer. Havent been able to add files from two or more dvds at the same time in shrink, but just tried with one from DVD and another couple from the computer HD and that works fine. using the Re-author button you can add several files from different places on your HD into shrink. ( Just added an episode of Batman from one folder, a film from another and the film that was on a DVD just to check that too. ) |
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