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Results show - Week 4 - 28th October
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BuddyBontheNet
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by eponadebs:
“Can't concentrate on this pro dance for the amount of foxtail thingies swinging around. I keep wondering if they're real...she should have a sign on her back saying "fake fur" ”

I agree!

Originally Posted by Deathwarmedup:
“Well this is my first post in this thread.
It just goes to show how useless phone voting is. At this rate we will be left with the least glamorous most flat footed contestants. The phone voting is worse than Eurovision”

Welcome and I agree!

Originally Posted by xadie:
“Oh dear, I'm no Gabby fan, but that was really sad. And I thought she really was the better of the two, and that James' choreography spoke to the spirit of the samba a lot more. I saw Penny make a few clumsy moves, while Gabby seemed spot on, as well as really throwing herself in and enjoying every second.

To be b*tchy for a moment, I wonder whether Rod Stewart is booked to sing on the results show later in the series, and whether he might pull out (or have a sudden throat infection) if his wife were knocked out? Much as they loved their Wife Swap storyline, they love having old Rod there a lot more ...”

I thought this too.

Originally Posted by miaviv:
“As soon as Claudia said that Rod was on ITT next week it was clear that Penny would still be in. Call me a cynic but surely this must have something to do with it.”

I think a lot of people would have been panicking - you could well be right.

Originally Posted by bunnyds:
“Penny will make the final, that's obvious, where she will be the first out on the public vote.”

I hope you're wrong, I do hope you are wrong.

Originally Posted by frell-tastic:
“I think that was because she was trying not to cry.”

I think Gabby was trying her best not to cry by just smiling but not speaking.


Originally Posted by tvqueen1905:
“if only len had voted for Gabby”

Originally Posted by kittles:
“I thought all 4 of them conducted themselves with grace and dignity - my personal choice was for gabby to stay in but equally I thought it was daft penny and ian were in bottom 2 as well

I thought it was very very sad - for them abd for ola and kenny who both looked gutted

it was interesting the way the live audience went completely quiet - everyone in complete shock

eta must say quickly - Kelly and Brendan you were probably joking when you said that the other contestants wouldn't like u for getting a 10 and that they don't speak to you anyway but given what's happened to penny and gabby you might wanna be a bit careful....who knwos what the GBP will make of it”

Good post!

Originally Posted by Tango Tiger:
“What I could't understand was Kate's reaction of joy when she was voted through. If I were her, I'd be utterly embarrassed. The first couple of times she was voted through, it was funny. Now, it's just bizarre. Although, I guess, Claudia will say next week that the public see something in Kate's dancing that the judges are missing. Yeah, right, pah! Stop using that one Claudia, it's wearing thin.”

I think Kate is so into herself it doesn't occur to her that every time she gets through it is at the expense of someone who dances better.
Chris1964
28-10-2007
Its amazing how many posts start with"I am not a Gabby fan but.............
The truth is that Gabby is a winner, forging a career in a male dominated area. She took SCD seriously, tried hard and was positive in expecting to get through-all noble attributes.But thats a big turn off in this country. Its not surprising Britain rarely has the right to call itself the best at something when the attitudes are as they are.
The problem for SCD now is that the judges and the public are now in a childish game of tit for tat-the public wanting the likes of Kate to humiliate herself even more and the judges doing what they can to get the better dancers through-even if perhaps they may not dance so well. It just might become a farce this year.
MegaDancer
28-10-2007
What did everyone think of the way Kelly was clapping & all when Bruno & Len were arguing over the 10?
Lula Mae
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by MarkFan:
“I am truly sorry that talented dancers are facing the chop on account of bizarre voting patterns. I do wish people would start voting for the best, not the most sympathetic.”

Yes but voting for the best wouldnt have helped these 2... If people had genuinely voted for their best dance/dancer and not other factirs then I think most would have voted for Matt/Alesha/Kelly.

Originally Posted by dome:
“Of course they do, the GBP like nothing better than the underdog.”

&
Originally Posted by Aeryn:
“People tend to vote for the underdogs, and lets face it, kate, Kenny and John all did get a bit of a hammering from the judges. ”

Yes but to me the underdog is more so the one with the lowest score not the one given the harshest words. People soon forget that part.. but the score table stays. And well, you cant ask the judges to high score the rubbish dancers so they're not bottom of the table!

Originally Posted by miaviv:
“The spoiler thread has been buzzing since the result was announced last night, did any of you who didn't look before tonight's live show get an inkling that there was something controversial going on from the amount of posts in that thread ? (just out of interest)”

I didn't know it was buzzing or any more busy than usual, but I did click on it with very squinty eyes. All I saw was a "" lol so I knew it was a shocker and was dying to find out for that reason!
Eternal Life
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by MegaDancer:
“What did everyone think of the way Kelly was clapping & all when Bruno & Len were arguing over the 10?”

She loves the attention
MarkFan
28-10-2007
Dreadfully false. I did like her to start with, but the "who me?" attitude is starting to irritate.
jill1812
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by crazy-amy:
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I knew as soon as the two were annonced it would be Penny that was saved despite Gabby being the better dancer. I can't believe Penny started crying about her being out when she was ome in the lead and Gabby just kept smiling through the results. What does that tell you about their personalities?”

Gabby acts like a grown woman, Penny acts like a little girl.
Chelsea97
28-10-2007
I undertood the sympathy vote the first week for Kate because she clearly had an injury but that really should have been her one lifeline. Incidentally I wonder how GMTV presenters such as Kate and Fiona are allowed to appear on the show when Gabby was prevented from doing so when she at ITV? Although having said that I can certainly see why ITV wouldn't exactly be beating the doors down to get Kate and/or Fiona to appear on 'Dancing On Ice' !!
sjw8
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by Lula Mae:
“Thanks.


Personally I don't get the whole "if the judges weren't as harsh/personal to the bad dancers then they wouldn't be saved". I really don't think so many people vote as a sort of revenge against the judges!”

If you look at the position table at the end of the first show, you will note that quite often it's the middle rankers that are usually at risk, unless they have a large fan base.

What we are saying (as one of the above camp) is that if the judges made constructive comments instead of going for the jugular in search of a good sound bite, and marked accordingly (midway) then the situation would probably resolve itself

It's interesting that when Arlene / Craig are on ITT reviewing the Saturday night and week's practice sessions, they are constructive, pointing out where the dancers need to improve etc. Yet when on Saturday in front of the audience and the viewers, it's like Jekyll and Hyde - out come these ridiculous caricatures seemingly wanting to get the limelight

I'm sure this week on ITT they'll be in self denial though
duryea
28-10-2007
Quote:
“If horse features name is read out next week i want a loud boo from the audience...”

1) Don't be so personal and rude.
2) Don't be so childish as to boo. Besides anything else, that would only spare people on to vote for her more, not less.

I do wish people would stop with the insults against the dancers, pro or celeb, and the voters. Your favorites/better dancers go early. It's nothing new.

To blame the celeb for still being there is both pointless and ridiculous.

This will happen not matter what the rules are. But the change in the rules allowing the judges, not equal, but double the say in the result than the viewers is what is causing an escalation of what has happened naturally in previous years.

Let's face it. They overmarked Emma repeatedly last year and she was in the bottom two a lot as a result. Undermarking and being rude has the opposite effect. If they haven't figured this out after 5 years they deserve everything they get. Tough.
arddunol
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by Lula Mae:
“Thanks.


Personally I don't get the whole "if the judges weren't as harsh/personal to the bad dancers then they wouldn't be saved". I really don't think so many people vote as a sort of revenge against the judges!”

I don't think it is against the judges , it is to do just what they are told " vote to keep your faves out of the bottom two " .Now with the judges choosing who goes , it is more important than ever to keep a couple out of the bottom two .


Quote:
“This will happen not matter what the rules are. But the change in the rules allowing the judges, not equal, but double the say in the result than the viewers is what is causing an escalation of what has happened naturally in previous years.

Let's face it. They overmarked Emma repeatedly last year and she was in the bottom two a lot as a result. Undermarking and being rude has the opposite effect. If they haven't figured this out after 5 years they deserve everything they get. Tough.”

Oh yeah duryea .spot on .
miaviv
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by sjw8:
“If you look at the position table at the end of the first show, you will note that quite often it's the middle rankers that are usually at risk, unless they have a large fan base.

What we are saying (as one of the above camp) is that if the judges made constructive comments instead of going for the jugular in search of a good sound bite, and marked accordingly (midway) then the situation would probably resolve itself

It's interesting that when Arlene / Craig are on ITT reviewing the Saturday night and week's practice sessions, they are constructive, pointing out where the dancers need to improve etc. Yet when on Saturday in front of the audience and the viewers, it's like Jekyll and Hyde - out come these ridiculous caricatures seemingly wanting to get the limelight

I'm sure this week on ITT they'll be in self denial though ”

Very true
tamasooz
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by MegaDancer:
“What did everyone think of the way Kelly was clapping & all when Bruno & Len were arguing over the 10?”

I've got to say that, even though i've never studied it (in fact i'm an engineer), i'm very interested in the body language of the celebrities, whether it's forced or natural.

I think Kelly's body language was definitely forced, and was trying to justify the whole "3 lift" thing. I think maybe a few angry pros/celebs whispering about not deserving a 10. I think it was very "in your face" too, and sends a big warning sign to her competitors.

Staying on this theme, I was very interested in Gabby's reaction to being in the bottom 2. She immediatey stepped away and turned and looked at James, but also in that direction were Penny and Ian, and she began limbering up, stretching her arms and hands on hips. This was a big show to Penny of "Bring it on... I'm gonna fight right until the end for this against you." Again, very in your face.
loobyloo11
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by miaviv:
“The spoiler thread has been buzzing since the result was announced last night, did any of you who didn't look before tonight's live show get an inkling that there was something controversial going on from the amount of posts in that thread ? (just out of interest)”


I personally kept away from all that's Strictly until I had watched the show. Looked in the spoilers the first week and it certainly spoil it for me.
Spinaker5
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by mcchristie:
“very disappointing - gabby nailed her dance and penny didn't seem to have much to offer... i'm not a gabby fan, but she had a lot of content and danced really well. penny, on the other hand, has long legs and a bit of attitude... surprised len went for that

interesting that the spoiler thread mentioned bruce giving a bit of a lecture on it being a 'dance contest', but this was never shown...

the editing was VERY blatant i thought, and i wonder just how much was said on the night! clearly emotions were running high... can anyone fill us in on exactly what was being said and by whom?”

Going on what the judges have said previously about samba, this was clearly a wrong decision. Gabby's dance had something of the carnival about it whereas penny's was pure gimmick. Although I have found gabby a bit clinical, she was improving and is better all round than Penny. Craig looked very unhappy. Whatever anyone thinks about him the guy is genuine. I also really felt for james and Ola.
Chris1964
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by Aeryn:
“People tend to vote for the underdogs, and lets face it, kate, Kenny and John all did get a bit of a hammering from the judges. ”

Kate Kenny and John can hardly dance-its like watching the wedding disco.
CityofRoses
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by MegaDancer:
“What did everyone think of the way Kelly was clapping & all when Bruno & Len were arguing over the 10?”

Her and Brendan were really arrogant tonight, it's really not going to gain them public support.
tvaddict37
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by Tango Tiger:
“What I could't understand was Kate's reaction of joy when she was voted through. If I were her, I'd be utterly embarrassed.”

i think at the time (second to be announced) she didn't realise the significance of it - i was hoping that Kenny, Kate, and poss John go in the next 2-3 weeks, order isn't so important - although I agree Kate is awful, I don't beleive she thought a really good dancer would go instead of her.

Her and Anton were interviewed just after - I wonder if / when we'll see that reaction.

tomorrows Breakfast and ITT will be interesting!
SilverBird
28-10-2007
I think Penny performed out of her skin to stay in, and that's what they saw. It was also a brave gamble on Ian's part, in terms of the choreography. But love it or hate it, it had a certain wow factor which the other did not. Gabby's dance was clinical and technical, whereas Penny's was quirky, fun and warm, and that goes for the partnership between her and Ian too.

Neither of them should have been in the bottom two, but it's similar to last year when Spooney went out and Georgina stayed for a couple more weeks. I bet now it'll settle down and a weaker dancer will be voted off next week.

Penny was lovely and Ian looked devastated, not just at being in the bottom two, but that Gabby and James went.

And I don't buy the conspiracy stuff with Rod being involved somehow. It's just sour grapes IMO.
Chelsea97
28-10-2007
Watch out for Westlife rush-releasing a Gabby tribute single on Monday so that they can completely hog ITT/SCD like they do every other year!
beanbean
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Its amazing how many posts start with"I am not a Gabby fan but.............
The truth is that Gabby is a winner, forging a career in a male dominated area. She took SCD seriously, tried hard and was positive in expecting to get through-all noble attributes.But thats a big turn off in this country. Its not surprising Britain rarely has the right to call itself the best at something when the attitudes are as they are.
The problem for SCD now is that the judges and the public are now in a childish game of tit for tat-the public wanting the likes of Kate to humiliate herself even more and the judges doing what they can to get the better dancers through-even if perhaps they may not dance so well. It just might become a farce this year.”

Good point.
As much as i hated the fact Bruno gave Kelly and Brendan a 10 maybe he actually saved them from appearing in the bottom 2. But then again if Gabyy or Penny were bottom of the leader board last night would they have been in the bottom two?
FelineFantastic
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by tvaddict37:
“i think at the time (second to be announced) she didn't realise the significance of it - i was hoping that Kenny, Kate, and poss John go in the next 2-3 weeks, order isn't so important - although I agree Kate is awful, I don't beleive she thought a really good dancer would go instead of her.

Her and Anton were interviewed just after - I wonder if / when we'll see that reaction.

tomorrows Breakfast and ITT will be interesting!”

How could she have thought anything else- the others are way better than her- even Kenny- she knows every time that she stays someone who should be there next week won't be.
Lula Mae
28-10-2007
I undertand what you are saying sjw8, and you may well be right of course. It's just my view (as a fairly average GBP-er when it comes to SCD i think!) that if someone was gonna give a "sympathy" vote (which I'd like to say I don't lol) then it would be based on scores not the words, and like I said above the judges can't do nowt about that - ie. they can't give higher marks to Kate, Kenny etc just to put them in the middle of the table! Can you imagine the outrage!
Spinaker5
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by Aeryn:
“Penny & Ian were 4th, Gabby & James were 6th on the leaderboard.”

James said Gabby should have been in the top three. He is p***ed off and who can blame him.

I didn't vote for Gabby but I did vote for one of the 'good' dancers.
xadie
28-10-2007
Originally Posted by duryea:
“But the change in the rules allowing the judges, not equal, but double the say in the result than the viewers is what is causing an escalation of what has happened naturally in previous years.

Let's face it. They overmarked Emma repeatedly last year and she was in the bottom two a lot as a result. Undermarking and being rude has the opposite effect. If they haven't figured this out after 5 years they deserve everything they get. Tough.”

So true. They continue to blame the public for wanting to 'humiliate' the worst celebs, but I refuse to believe that the viewing public, particularly SCD's demographic, is that unkind, whatever the actual outcome might be. People vote for celebs that they think have been cruelly treated, that's all, whether it be with cutting remarks or low scores. Brits love a plucky fighter, and they can't warm to a teacher's pet. As you say, if the judges haven't learned that yet, they must be rather dim. Perhaps they just love the ratings and attention that this kind of result provokes?
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