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Old 29-10-2007, 07:28
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When will we hear all of Hope sing instead of the two that can and backing singers?????
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Old 29-10-2007, 07:32
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simon wants them to stay in the competition so i'd say never!
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Old 29-10-2007, 08:21
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I don't think we will. At boot camp Simon said of Raquelle "if only she could sing" ... and i suppose you could argue that to be in a band you don't have to be a soloist. What's wrong with Hope for me is that the girls who DO sing solo are not that great but then I suppose that is to be expected as if they were they would have got through as soloists.

They don't blend as a band for me which I suppose is not a surprise considering how they were formed.
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Old 29-10-2007, 09:14
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Do you really think that 16 year old can sing?
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Old 29-10-2007, 09:24
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Do you really think that 16 year old can sing?
I think she can, I thnk the others are patchy at best, they had an awful lot of backing track on Saturday.
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Old 29-10-2007, 10:45
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Yes for 16 I think Phoebe is good, but generally I think they are overhyped and underdressed!
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Old 29-10-2007, 10:54
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Well oviously none of them can sing they were booted out cause they couldent sing in the first place but there nice to look at so that makes up for it
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Old 29-10-2007, 10:58
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I would like to have heard them with the backing vocals. Without them they would have been booted off on Saturday!
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Old 29-10-2007, 11:08
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Nope.
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Old 29-10-2007, 11:53
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Well oviously none of them can sing they were booted out cause they couldent sing in the first place
Yeah but some of the boys in FP would be better solo vocalists than Leon and Andy and they were booted out too so something was obviously going on.
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Old 29-10-2007, 13:36
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Of course they can sing. I think people are just jelous of them
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Old 29-10-2007, 13:47
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Of course they can sing. I think people are just jelous of them
Completely agree. People on this forum keep slagging them off when Hope have a lot of raw talent, when put together. They are the most...

Manageable
Media sassy
Attractive
Mouldable


act in the competition and all of those things are important to be honest, even the third one.
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Old 29-10-2007, 13:48
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Even the ones who sing lead are mediocre at best IMO.
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Old 29-10-2007, 13:59
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Well oviously none of them can sing they were booted out cause they couldent sing in the first place but there nice to look at so that makes up for it
Not true - I went home at that stage too! Not everyone at boot camp who could sing made it through - and not everyone who made it through could sing, sorry but it's true.

Myself aside, sime of the best acts at boot camp were sent home at that stage for no good reason other than because they didn't fit the parts Simon had available in his pantomime.

Can Hope sing?

Phoebe - Sometimes.
Raquelle - No.
Charlie - Sort of, nothing special.
Emily - Not yet, nice girl though.
Leah - don't know because we never hear her, but she's my favourite member, she was lovely.

Alisha would've slotted well into Hope and I'm surprised they didn't select at least a few better singers as there were some who would've suited being in the group. I wouldn't have - I' not a glamourpss and apparently the main reason I was sent home is because I was too unpredictable - and there were other girls who were better siners than Hope but wouldn't have suited being part of it, same goes for Futureproof although apart from one lad they seem to be better singers than Hope.

XF is a TV show not a talent show though so it does make sense in a way

BTW I don't want to comwe across as arrogant by talking about myself so much but a lot of what I know about it is from my experience, hope that's OK
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Old 29-10-2007, 14:03
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Not true - I went home at that stage too! Not everyone at boot camp who could sing made it through - and not everyone who made it through could sing, sorry but it's true.

Myself aside, sime of the best acts at boot camp were sent home at that stage for no good reason other than because they didn't fit the parts Simon had available in his pantomime.

Can Hope sing?

Phoebe - Sometimes.
Raquelle - No.
Charlie - Sort of, nothing special.
Emily - Not yet, nice girl though.
Leah - don't know because we never hear her, but she's my favourite member, she was lovely.

Alisha would've slotted well into Hope and I'm surprised they didn't select at least a few better singers as there were some who would've suited being in the group. I wouldn't have - I' not a glamourpss and apparently the main reason I was sent home is because I was too unpredictable - and there were other girls who were better siners than Hope but wouldn't have suited being part of it, same goes for Futureproof although apart from one lad they seem to be better singers than Hope.

XF is a TV show not a talent show though so it does make sense in a way

BTW I don't want to comwe across as arrogant by talking about myself so much but a lot of what I know about it is from my experience, hope that's OK

Interesting to hear opinions from people who were actually "there". I think a few people who got to boot camp were definite non-singers, presumably for the amusement value. There were others who could definitely sing but maybe didn't have the whole package. Then you get the girls in Hope. Some adequate singers and some who got there becaues of their images, like Raquelle.

I don't really like Hope but I don't hate them as much as I hated performances on Saturday from Daniel, Alisha and Leon. I really don't see them as winners but am interested to see if they can develop into a slicker outfit. That said, I would still have preferred to see the W4 girls in the live shows as they were great.
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Old 29-10-2007, 14:10
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Completely agree. People on this forum keep slagging them off when Hope have a lot of raw talent, when put together. They are the most...

Manageable
Media sassy
Attractive
Mouldable


act in the competition and all of those things are important to be honest, even the third one.
I wouldn't call being mouldable or manageable a talent. And attractive is a matter of opinion. Truth is, they're not very good singers - they are a plastic product that plastic corporate men will sell to the plastic public.

A couple of weeks ago I went to a live gig night at a local pub and spent half an hour spellbound by a girl with an amazingly pure voice, wonderful songs, and - judging by the reaction of the men in the room - very pretty indeed. She had raw talent. I got her homemade album and it's great. She also struck me as the kind of girl who would never go on a show like X-Factor in a million years, probably something to do with her own songs being infinitely better than the karaoke classics she'd be doomed to sing on a show like that.

The only thing Hope have going for them is Simon Cowell's desire to have a new girl band on his books who will do his bidding and replace Girls Aloud. Sadly, that's probably enough to ensure them a career for the next 3 or 4 years, maybe one of them will get lucky and bag a footballer and be in Heat magazine. But raw talent? I've seen enough really good singers over the years to say nuh-uh.
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Old 29-10-2007, 14:12
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I don't really like Hope but I don't hate them as much as I hated performances on Saturday from Daniel, Alisha and Leon.
You are right - to me they were one of the top five acts over the two weeks, but that was before I knew they were beefing up their sound with backing vocals. Why do that for a band - unless they can't sing?
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Old 29-10-2007, 14:21
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[quote=Evilredzebra;18994385]Interesting to hear opinions from people who were actually "there". I think a few people who got to boot camp were definite non-singers, presumably for the amusement value. There were others who could definitely sing but maybe didn't have the whole package. Then you get the girls in Hope. Some adequate singers and some who got there becaues of their images, like Raquelle.

I don't really like Hope but I don't hate them as much as I hated performances on Saturday from Daniel, Alisha and Leon. I really don't see them as winners but am interested to see if they can develop into a slicker outfit. That said, I would still have preferred to see the W4 girls in the live shows as they were great.[/QUOTE]

Glad you enjoyed reading my post!

I certainly don't have the whole package. I'm 17 (on Friday) but look about 13, and wouldn't be a "glamour puss" even if I did look older. I also sing unconvenional songs, can't dance (I'm visually impaired) and speak my mind at all costs! Therefore I'd probably have made great TV but "manageable" isn't a word Simon would use to describe me I'm sure!

As for W4, it really grates on me that they're bot in the live finals. I made friends with them at boot camp and they're a lovely bunch of girls. They showed me their audition pieces and they were fantastic, so I hope within hope (lol) that this isn't the last we've seen of them.
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Old 29-10-2007, 14:35
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[quote=Faria262;18994709]
Interesting to hear opinions from people who were actually "there". I think a few people who got to boot camp were definite non-singers, presumably for the amusement value. There were others who could definitely sing but maybe didn't have the whole package. Then you get the girls in Hope. Some adequate singers and some who got there becaues of their images, like Raquelle.

I don't really like Hope but I don't hate them as much as I hated performances on Saturday from Daniel, Alisha and Leon. I really don't see them as winners but am interested to see if they can develop into a slicker outfit. That said, I would still have preferred to see the W4 girls in the live shows as they were great.[/QUOTE]

Glad you enjoyed reading my post!

I certainly don't have the whole package. I'm 17 (on Friday) but look about 13, and wouldn't be a "glamour puss" even if I did look older. I also sing unconvenional songs, can't dance (I'm visually impaired) and speak my mind at all costs! Therefore I'd probably have made great TV but "manageable" isn't a word Simon would use to describe me I'm sure!

As for W4, it really grates on me that they're bot in the live finals. I made friends with them at boot camp and they're a lovely bunch of girls. They showed me their audition pieces and they were fantastic, so I hope within hope (lol) that this isn't the last we've seen of them.
The need to conform is what puts me off applying. Vocally I think I could beat any of the acts in the top 12 (ooh get my modesty!) but I'm sure I don't have the right image to go with it, or an interesting back-story.

If they asked me why I hadn't made it thus far, my answer would not involve dead parents, life threatening illness or a life of poverty. The answer would be that I'm too lazy and enjoy a steady income rather than the instability of a career in entertainment!
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Old 30-10-2007, 14:51
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I've actually got quite a good back story but I think Simon would be terrified of putting me on his show as - as anyone reading my postys should be able to tell, I'm not afraid to speak my mind!

I think I could have beaten anyone bar Niki and Rhydian who's still there on talent, and was probably one of the better acts in my category but there were better acts aroubnd

I entered because I'm such a huge fan of the show - even, if not especially, now -although ot of some of its workings, if you know what I mean. As I said I'm 17 so I wasn't too serious about the career side of things but if you're seruous about your singing it probably isn't the best move for you to enter, especially not if you are already comfortable with the life you have.

Niki, Emily etc can;t help the fact that the producers ask them about their back stories at every possible opportunity. When i was asked questions about mine I tried to be light hearted about it and even changed the subkect sometimes - although my dad didn't mind playing up to it. I don't mind telling my storyu, but it's not exactly relevant to the X Factor, at least not directly, so I preferred not to while I was still there.
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Old 30-10-2007, 16:30
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[quote=Faria262;18994709As for W4, it really grates on me that they're bot in the live finals. I made friends with them at boot camp and they're a lovely bunch of girls. They showed me their audition pieces and they were fantastic, so I hope within hope (lol) that this isn't the last we've seen of them.[/QUOTE]


Nice to hear from you Faria - I too felt really sorry for W4 and if I had been in that group I would feel very angry and frustrated to be upstaged by a group of failed single contestants. This should never have been allowed.

I don't think Hope can sing - they look like pole dancers and to liken them to Girls Aloud is an insult to GA! Lets have then sing without backing and see what happens.
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Old 30-10-2007, 16:34
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Please, they can sing better than half the contestants who are left in the LIVE shows.

The slagging of this girlband is getting quite old now. Whether you like them or not. Fine. People are entitled to their own opinions. But it really has gone to far and whether, you like it or not, people still vote for them and they have a larger fan base than you think
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Old 30-10-2007, 16:35
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There are a couple of members of Girls Aloud that struggle on the live singing in my opinion but as a group they work well together and Hope are far inferior. They just dont look right.
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Old 30-10-2007, 16:39
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Please, they can sing better than half the contestants who are left in the LIVE shows.

The slagging of this girlband is getting quite old now. Whether you like them or not. Fine. People are entitled to their own opinions. But it really has gone to far and whether, you like it or not, people still vote for them and they have a larger fan base than you think
Of course people are entitled to their opinions -thats what makes this forum interesting. As for singing better than some of the other contestants - its hard to judge with the heavy backing that they have. Their "fan base" remains to be seen.
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Old 30-10-2007, 17:56
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Like most (if not all) girl bands in living memory, there is one singer and a few others to get their bits out!

If Hope were half as good as they have been hyped up to be by the judges, they wouldn't require the enormous about of backing they had on Saturday's show.

I can't see they making it. They seem a bit hard to me and not nearly pretty enough to compete with the likes of Girls Aloud in the sex appeal stakes, which lets face it is what Girl Bands are all about.
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