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Old 29-10-2007, 13:53
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He said Hope were the best group the show has ever had! I think they are great - but the best? They have sung two live shows and they are made up of all X Factor rejects! I'd like to see if they out sell G4. Well, since they are the best group the show has ever had; they should have no problem.

Futureproof. The new boyband in town? They have lovely voices, but again are just the rejects shoved together and not to meantion they are all completely dull - seriously, do any of them have personalities?

Same Difference. If they weren't in his category, would he like them? NO. He said they nailed their performance this week - it was cheesy and creepy (a brother and sister singing a song from a Disney channel movie) . He disliked them in their first audition and i still believe if they weren't in his caterogry he would slate them to the high heavens!!!

I usually find Simon is very honest, but this year he has completely lost the plot. Having said that, the groups this year haven't been great have they - two of them were last minute attempts for good groups.

Having said all that, i do think Hope and Futureproof are very good. Just very over-rated by Cowell.

Rant over....
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Old 29-10-2007, 13:56
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Same Difference. If they weren't in his category, would he like them? NO. He said they nailed their performance this week - it was cheesy and creepy (a brother and sister singing a song from a Disney channel movie) . He disliked them in their first audition and i still believe if they weren't in his caterogry he would slate them to the high heavens!!!

I totally agree with you about Same Difference. If they weren't in his group he would be giving them the same treatment he gave The MacDonalds last year.
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Old 29-10-2007, 13:57
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He said Hope were the best group the show has ever had! I think they are great - but the best? They have sung two live shows and they are made up of all X Factor rejects! I'd like to see if they out sell G4. Well, since they are the best group the show has ever had; they should have no problem.

Futureproof. The new boyband in town? They have lovely voices, but again are just the rejects shoved together and not to meantion they are all completely dull - seriously, do any of them have personalities?

Same Difference. If they weren't in his category, would he like them? NO. He said they nailed their performance this week - it was cheesy and creepy (a brother and sister singing a song from a Disney channel movie) . He disliked them in their first audition and i still believe if they weren't in his caterogry he would slate them to the high heavens!!!

I usually find Simon is very honest, but this year he has completely lost the plot. Having said that, the groups this year haven't been great have they - two of them were last minute attempts for good groups.

Having said all that, i do think Hope and Futureproof are very good. Just very over-rated by Cowell.

Rant over....
Good ranting! Absolutely agree.
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Old 29-10-2007, 14:00
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It's just an experiment for him - to see if he can take a bunch of ill-assorted low-rent wannabes (or two), make them into a group (or two), and promote them heavily until the GBP is convinced they are as good as he is pretending they are and votes them the X Factor winner(s). Simon Cowell has been believing his own press and is on a huge ego trip.
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Old 29-10-2007, 16:19
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I totally agree with you about Same Difference. If they weren't in his group he would be giving them the same treatment he gave The MacDonalds last year.
surely if he didnt like them he wouldnt have put them in his top 3 there were many other decent acts he could have put through
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Old 29-10-2007, 16:22
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surely if he didnt like them he wouldnt have put them in his top 3 there were many other decent acts he could have put through
Exactly, he knows exactly what he is doing. He looks around, sees what's popular and goes for it, and what is more popular than HSM at the moment.
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Old 29-10-2007, 16:23
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surely if he didnt like them he wouldnt have put them in his top 3 there were many other decent acts he could have put through
he does like them, but more as people than an act. he does see the ptential there also, but i think that now they are his act he can;t say that was unbelievably cheesy, or that was weird like he said in the past to other acts, as they are his own.
I dont think he can truly be honest with them because he's too far in now. saying they nailed that performance was rubbish, whether or not u enjoyed it, they didnt nail it! the girl was singing too screechy, and some bum notes were flying about.
so though he may liek them or think they are good, he's trying to make them seem better than they are with his comments, and i think what he is saying isn't what he actually thinks
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Old 29-10-2007, 16:58
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I think Futureproof do have a future - they have gelled very quickly and sound great - far better than a lot of the solo male acts in this year's show.

Same Difference are what they are - you either love it or hate it, but my nine year old niece loves them! So a High School Musical song? Perfect!

Hope. Thought they were good and thought they'd go far, but have completely gone off them because they are becoming an archetypal manufactured girl group who trade on sex rather than ability. They honestly look like the hookers you see on a Saturday night.

Why did none of the other judges say "sounded great - now let's hear you without the backing vocals". They would have been bottom two.
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Old 29-10-2007, 17:03
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Apart from Same Difference I think Simons acts are very bland.
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Old 29-10-2007, 17:04
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he does like them, but more as people than an act. he does see the ptential there also, but i think that now they are his act he can;t say that was unbelievably cheesy, or that was weird like he said in the past to other acts, as they are his own.
I dont think he can truly be honest with them because he's too far in now. saying they nailed that performance was rubbish, whether or not u enjoyed it, they didnt nail it! the girl was singing too screechy, and some bum notes were flying about.
so though he may liek them or think they are good, he's trying to make them seem better than they are with his comments, and i think what he is saying isn't what he actually thinks
If they were in another judge's category, he would tell them they belonged in Butlin's.
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Old 29-10-2007, 17:04
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....I usually find Simon is very honest, but this year he has completely lost the plot. Having said that, the groups this year haven't been great have they - two of them were last minute attempts for good groups.

Rant over....
All 3 have been manufactured. SD originally auditioned separately.

Of all the manipulation this year, the fact that no actual groups got through is the thing that disappoints me the most as there were some that were good enough to be in the final that just never stood a chance because Simon had already decided to manufacture all 3 finalists from the solo performers he liked
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Old 29-10-2007, 17:13
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All 3 have been manufactured. SD originally auditioned separately.

Of all the manipulation this year, the fact that no actual groups got through is the thing that disappoints me the most as there were some that were good enough to be in the final that just never stood a chance because Simon had already decided to manufacture all 3 finalists from the solo performers he liked
Didn't know that about Same Difference.

I was really surprised by the bands who got to the final. I honestly thought it would be Futureproof, the geek band and other other girl group. Mind you I was surprised by some of the others who got through too.
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Old 29-10-2007, 17:15
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the chemistry doesn't look right with Hope yet - sex sells though - even I bought a PCD album!

Futureproof? singing is OK, but ugh, enough of the boy band stuff - purleeze. Soul bands of the 60s were highly motivated, highly talented, tight units often brought up in adversity. their capacity to work hard at what they did and do it brilliantly is a far cry from a bunch of wannabes who hope to get instant success from the TV. that's why Harold Melvin and the Bluenotes ("If you don't know me by now") are still good in concert after 30+ years and Futureproof will be lucky to last 3.

Same Difference - going for the youngsters vote - SD suit that market.
I'd love them to do something 'edgy' but preferably not following Rydian's Meatloaf excursion and doing "paradise by the dashboard light".
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Old 29-10-2007, 17:34
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I like Same Difference! i loved their performance on Saturday and they both seem sooo lovely.
I think they could actually do really well off the back of x factor with a younger audience.
I completely agree with you about futureproof but hope irritate me and they arent good singers.
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Old 29-10-2007, 17:36
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All 3 have been manufactured. SD originally auditioned separately.

Of all the manipulation this year, the fact that no actual groups got through is the thing that disappoints me the most as there were some that were good enough to be in the final that just never stood a chance because Simon had already decided to manufacture all 3 finalists from the solo performers he liked
I totally agree with this post! And it disappoints me too that there are no REAL groups in the final. I don't like any of the groups this year and think that they are all utter trash with no talent! If they were the rejects, they should have stayed the rejects!
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Old 29-10-2007, 17:40
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I keep changing my mind on Hope. I can see why they are the best group ever from Cowells perspective, but I don't think they can match up to PCD's, Girls Aloud or Sugababes. However, the few girlgroups we have around are all selling very well, so there could be room for more. That big girl needs to go, though, she ruins the image.

Futureproof are actually a talented bunch of guys. Simon and Louis could use a younger version of Westlife (now a covers group) and they were banging on about the idea last year. Their problem is that they are a bit tedious on TV and boybands aren't really "in" just now.

Same Difference are pure cheese. They make me smile when they come on, even if it is creepy. Still, they are good at what they do. I enjoy their performances far more than Andy :yawn: or Daniel :sleep: or the various other bland acts gracing our TV's this year.

Obviously he supports his own acts. He can't be slating Same Difference every week, as he choose to put them there. It's still not as bad as Louis who can't take any criticism of his acts.
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Old 29-10-2007, 17:41
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He said Hope were the best group the show has ever had! I think they are great - but the best? They have sung two live shows and they are made up of all X Factor rejects! I'd like to see if they out sell G4. Well, since they are the best group the show has ever had; they should have no problem.

Futureproof. The new boyband in town? They have lovely voices, but again are just the rejects shoved together and not to meantion they are all completely dull - seriously, do any of them have personalities?

Same Difference. If they weren't in his category, would he like them? NO. He said they nailed their performance this week - it was cheesy and creepy (a brother and sister singing a song from a Disney channel movie) . He disliked them in their first audition and i still believe if they weren't in his caterogry he would slate them to the high heavens!!!

I usually find Simon is very honest, but this year he has completely lost the plot. Having said that, the groups this year haven't been great have they - two of them were last minute attempts for good groups.

Having said all that, i do think Hope and Futureproof are very good. Just very over-rated by Cowell.

Rant over....

Agree that Simon has totally over rated his groups - the look of fatherly pride on his face when his groups have performed is actually quite puke inducing.

IMHO Hope are exceedingly average. Stick any five vaguely attractive girls together, with mediocre voices. Dress them in corsets or short skirts and have them wiggle a bit - and according to Simon Cowell you have the next best thing in the whole world.

Futureproof are incredibly bland, boyband by numbers. No spark, no personality zzzzzzzzz

Same Difference are quirky, but their voices are not good and they have the allure of a Seaside Special act from the 1970's.
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Old 29-10-2007, 17:44
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I totally agree with this post! And it disappoints me too that there are no REAL groups in the final. I don't like any of the groups this year and think that they are all utter trash with no talent! If they were the rejects, they should have stayed the rejects!
I feel for the REAL groups who auditioned and who had perhaps been practising together for years and eventually got to boot camp, just to kicked off so that the show could introduce this new twist.

It's a bit of a fraud really when the others auditioned as single performers.

I'm not a fan of Same Difference but at least they were put through to bootcamp as a group.
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Old 29-10-2007, 17:45
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Futureproof? singing is OK, but ugh, enough of the boy band stuff - purleeze. Soul bands of the 60s were highly motivated, highly talented, tight units often brought up in adversity. their capacity to work hard at what they did and do it brilliantly is a far cry from a bunch of wannabes who hope to get instant success from the TV. that's why Harold Melvin and the Bluenotes ("If you don't know me by now") are still good in concert after 30+ years and Futureproof will be lucky to last 3.

That could be said for any artist who makes it via a reality show though, not just them. Who are we to say they aren't hard workers just because they chose to use what is out there to achieve their dreams? I have to say, i wasn't a fan at all of Futureproof, but after seeing them on the past two live shows, i've changed my mind, three of them at least are very good singers, and their harmonies on Saturday night were tight.

Hope, only one of them can actually really sing, the others are just there to look good, well apart from the big girl, not sure why she's there, just looks like a man in drag. Cannot see them being together past the X Factor tour.

Same Difference, they are good at what they do, cheesy pop, they will get some gigs out of the show, Butlins definately would hire them, so at least they'll be able to sustain a career!
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Old 29-10-2007, 18:18
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I'm not a fan of Same Difference but at least they were put through to bootcamp as a group.
Yeah, but wasn't it the case that the boy was auditioning as a solo singer and some pressure was put on to have his sister go with him as duet? The boy was a but peeved at this.
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Old 29-10-2007, 18:22
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Simon has to play the game really doesn't he, I suspect if Hope sent him a demo tape (in the real world) he'd chuck it in the bin!
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Old 29-10-2007, 18:26
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Yeah, but wasn't it the case that the boy was auditioning as a solo singer and some pressure was put on to have his sister go with him as duet? The boy was a but peeved at this.
really? i had no idea about this, how did u know this?
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Old 29-10-2007, 18:30
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His best group comment really annoyed me. G4 were fabulous singers, whether you liked them or not.

I am undecided on whether Simon is trying to fog over the fact this years contestants are crap, whether he is desperately setting things up for Hope to win or has lost touch with reality.
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Old 29-10-2007, 18:30
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really? i had no idea about this, how did u know this?
There is a DS news thing.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/realityt...ed-by-sis.html

Dunno what caused the combination...it doesn't really say. Isn't there something else on a thread about it?
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Old 29-10-2007, 18:34
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A little secret about why Same Difference is in the final 12. Go look through your new Argos catalogues and look at all the new X-Factor branded Kareoke products and microphones that they want kids to buy so they are inspired to sing. SD are there to bring in the kiddie viewers, and all the kids are into High School Musical.
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