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Old 29-10-2007, 22:13
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Is there any truth in this- Plasma TV's are to be faded out and eventually only lcd's will be available ???
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Old 29-10-2007, 22:47
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Well in terms of market share Plasma has plummeted thanks mainly to the huge increase in LCD manufacturers/models on the market. In real terms I expect the sale of Plasmas has held fairly steady since they really had the large 42" plus market to themselves and still do with a few LCD inroads made into those higher screen sizes.

Given that high end plasma still outperforms LCD in certain key areas and the ongoing R&D especially by Pioneer (just teamed up with Sharp) the technology is going to be around a long time.

All that aside purely on the box shifting front LCD is the favourite of the high street so the Plasma presence may fade but be still strong in more refined/specialist retailers.
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Old 29-10-2007, 23:49
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Is there any truth in this- Plasma TV's are to be faded out and eventually only lcd's will be available ???
They are certainly far less popular, but I suspect this is yet another newspaper scare story - like Australia banning incandescent lamps!.
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Old 30-10-2007, 08:27
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Is there any truth in this- Plasma TV's are to be faded out and eventually only lcd's will be available ???
Sony have decided that the future is LCD only and no longer make Plasmas - so, in the medium term, the answer is probably yes!
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Old 30-10-2007, 08:44
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Is there any truth in this- Plasma TV's are to be faded out and eventually only lcd's will be available ???
There not going anywhere.

let me guess you also read that they need to be regassed every month

load of rubbish!

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Old 30-10-2007, 08:54
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Sony have decided that the future is LCD only and no longer make Plasmas - so, in the medium term, the answer is probably yes!
Except that Sony is not the only manufacturer, and to my mind they have always been more of an LCD company than plasma.

If the likes of Pioneer & Panasonic are still making them, then there' plenty of future left.
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Old 30-10-2007, 12:23
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Inch for inch they also use more power than LCDs on average, so they'll also have the environmentalists against them.
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Old 30-10-2007, 12:26
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Inch for inch they also use more power than LCDs on average, so they'll also have the environmentalists against them.
I think that's the entire point of this thread?.
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Old 30-10-2007, 12:56
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Inch for inch they also use more power than LCDs on average, so they'll also have the environmentalists against them.
from what i have heard in the uk we should be ok although there was rumor of a 'carbon footprint tax' to retailers, obviously being passed on to consumers.
as for the EU there is talk of banning them altogether, on the grounds of environmental protection. not too sure what has happened to this of late though, read it in industry magazine a little time ago

personally i agree with some of above, top end plasma still hold some edge over lcd in larger sizes. the new pioneer kuro range look very good
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Old 30-10-2007, 13:08
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Inch for inch they also use more power than LCDs on average, so they'll also have the environmentalists against them.
That is not always true, LCDs tend to use constant power, whilst plasmas use more power for light scenes, and less for dark scenes. On balance, the power factors are broadly the same.
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Old 30-10-2007, 13:15
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That is not always true, LCDs tend to use constant power, whilst plasmas use more power for light scenes, and less for dark scenes. On balance, the power factors are broadly the same.
No, on balance Plasma still uses considerably more power, even the manufacturers admit this. It's not as bad as it was, but it won't ever get as 'low' as LCD, simply due to the very complicated way they work.
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Old 30-10-2007, 13:17
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No, on balance Plasma still uses considerably more power, even the manufacturers admit this. It's not as bad as it was, but it won't ever get as 'low' as LCD, simply due to the very complicated way they work.
yes i think early plasma were
upto double energy consumption!
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Old 30-10-2007, 13:21
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To be honest, I put picture quality above power consumption and always will. So why worry about 100W or so difference?
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Old 30-10-2007, 13:26
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To be honest, I put picture quality above power consumption and always will. So why worry about 100W or so difference?
Well our wonderful government like to tax us in the name of the environment, so maybe they'll introduce a plasma tax. Then you'll be wishing you'd gone for that LCD

Maybe they'll introduce a regassing tax too
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Old 30-10-2007, 13:27
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To be honest, I put picture quality above power consumption and always will. So why worry about 100W or so difference?



Exactly and well what is the practical difference between one home with a plasma and next door having two LCD's or another having a CRT and a computer monitor.


If power consumption becomes the benchmark for consumer products legislation then we might as well ban half of the items on the market right now
By all means encourage the R&D into lower power requirments and if taxes are used to reward manufacturers who produce a new breed of products which use significantly less power then that's great but as usual the press and vested interests have blown the whole thing out of proportion.
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Old 30-10-2007, 13:28
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Then you'll be wishing you'd gone for that LCD



Yes and then a LCD tax when OLED can do the same job at much lower power requirments
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Old 30-10-2007, 13:31
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Yes and then a LCD tax when OLED can do the same job at much lower power requirments
Maybe we'll get all get a rebate.
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Old 30-10-2007, 13:43
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If power consumption becomes the benchmark for consumer products legislation then we might as well ban half of the items on the market right now
By all means encourage the R&D into lower power requirments and if taxes are used to reward manufacturers who produce a new breed of products which use significantly less power then that's great but as usual the press and vested interests have blown the whole thing out of proportion.
not really. if you consider the volume of sets, plasma and lcd, that will be sold in the wake of the digital switch, and the current 'green' attitude, it makes sense
to possibly put a stop on the most power hungry.

i don't agree with it, just as much as i dont agree with my local council banning bonfires for bonfire night as its bad for the environment and co2 emissions how pathetic is that!
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Old 30-10-2007, 13:57
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Sony have decided that the future is LCD only and no longer make Plasmas - so, in the medium term, the answer is probably yes!
Only because they couldn't make a decent set. They wern't (quite rightly) prepared to put thier name to a Plasma TV that wasn't up to thier high standard.
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Old 30-10-2007, 14:29
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not really. if you consider the volume of sets, plasma and lcd, that will be sold in the wake of the digital switch, and the current 'green' attitude, it makes sense
to possibly put a stop on the most power hungry.

i don't agree with it, just as much as i dont agree with my local council banning bonfires for bonfire night as its bad for the environment and co2 emissions how pathetic is that!


Yes I agree there is a fundemental truth in encouraging the more energy efficient products but taken as a whole the problem begins with a consumer driven economy/culture and using one product for "headline grabbing" purposes is short sighted approach and well just too easy.

It rather sums up the political slant to the environmental issues, we all know that strip away all the crap it comes down to over-population and short sightedness by our governments in terms of effective planning.
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Old 30-10-2007, 14:32
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Yes I agree there is a fundemental truth in encouraging the more energy efficient products but taken as a whole the problem begins with a consumer driven economy/culture and using one product for "headline grabbing" purposes is short sighted approach and well just too easy.

It rather sums up the political slant to the environmental issues, we all know that strip away all the crap it comes down to over-population and short sightedness by our governments in terms of effective planning.
i know, it all comes down to vote winning politics. they may as well ban cars, trains and planes if they ban plasma
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Old 30-10-2007, 14:33
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Only because they couldn't make a decent set. They wern't (quite rightly) prepared to put thier name to a Plasma TV that wasn't up to thier high standard.

did they not release a couple of large Wega plasmas in america??
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Old 30-10-2007, 14:46
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Only because they couldn't make a decent set. They wern't (quite rightly) prepared to put thier name to a Plasma TV that wasn't up to thier high standard.
Obviously Sony don't tell you anything, even as a major dealer, but as most people here probably know, Sony always made their own CRT's, the Trinitron, which was completely different to everyone elses.

Then along came flat screens - oops! - 40 years of colour tube technology down the pan!

Sony didn't have any flat screen experience, or technology, so like most manufacturers have always done with CRT's, Sony were forced to buy the panels in from other manufacturers.

Initially Sony bought both LCD and Plasma panels from a number of different manufacturers, and after a while decided to drop Plasma and concentrate on LCD - I've always presumed this was due to poor reliability of the Plasma panels?, of which I've changed many more than I have LCD panels - yet we've probably sold 100's of LCD's for every Plasma we've sold.

Sony did, and still do, keep a very close eye on panel failure, requiring all panels replaced under guarantee to be returned to their factory in Barcelona - so they have got an accurate count of which makes and types of panels fail, and (due to them all being returned) what actually fails with them.

Presumably they were happy with the performance of Samsung LCD panels?, because Sony and Samsung combined forces to build the S-LCD factory, which makes S-LCD panels for both Sony and Samsung.

Personally, I've always thought that Samsubg brought the technology to the deal, and Sony a big pile of cash! but to be fair, it's possible that Sony had a hand in making the factory more efficient?.
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Old 30-10-2007, 14:47
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did they not release a couple of large Wega plasmas in america??
They released 50 inch ones here as well - it's also rumoured they may be releasing some more Plasma sets in the not too distant future?.
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Old 30-10-2007, 16:16
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^^would they be sony made plasma panels though? with the success of their lcd range of late i would not be surprised, although they have just forked out £70 million on the latest advertising campaign!
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