But then of course it's chicken and egg. Bruno's POV is that the public can't be trusted to vote for the good dancers so he gives them extra marks when his colleagues mark them too low in his estimation.

There is a very good argument that people who seriously want to see good dancing should be congratulating him rather than getting all out of shape over 1 extra point.

Definitely chicken and egg scenario

Maybe the judges should award the best dancers really low marks and vice versa the bad ones excellent marks

Public will be running around like headless chickens then !

p.s. Still think Bruno should leave!

I have to agree....The judges basically want the best Dancers to survive and the deadwood to fall by the wayside. I know their meant to be impartial but I have to admit If I was in a position to judge on a SHOW like SCD I`d sneak in an extra mark for one of the Better Dancers when you know the GBP favour the dancing donkeys over the more accomplished performers. Sad but true...

Karen said yesterday on ITT that the way judging is usually done is the Head Judge takes the others to another chamberto discuss the situation if a rule break occurs. Now, this can't happen on SCD but surely this should be discussed and agreed before the series starts, and if a judge goes against what has been agreed, his or her score should be declared nul and void?

Quiet right.

The rules of the American Smooth clearly state that any rule infringment is punishable by automatic disqualification.

And we are talking STRICTLY Come Dancing

.........but SCD is`t a REAL dancing competition; it`s a TV show. If they used the same criteria they use for competitive dancers then the best celebs would be scoring 1 and 2s. SCD is show business and the marking reflects this. I have this sneaky feeling that if B+K dance had been disqualified then the GBP would have saved them........Now that would have been great TV.

Ah, so if Brendan and Kelly went out and performed a jive during American Smooth week, they should still be marked highly for a techinically perfect jive?

(sorry, I know, stupid example, but,,,)

W.T.H.!!
You speak for yourself with your dislike of Len!!
The bloke is a legend!

I don't think Italians are going to cringe because a fellow countryman is over-excited on the telly. I wouldn't have thought many are that sensitive!

No... what I`am saying is that even if B+K had scored 0 then the GBP may well have saved them. There is absolutely NO WAY the BBC would disqualify B+K from the whole competition for Brendan ignoring the rules.......but the judges could have disqualified their dance. I have personally really enjoyed Kelly`s dancing and I would be disappointed if her professional partner let her down.........which he most certainly did on Saturday.......Brendan needs a real kick up the arse as I agree the rules are there for a reason and should be adhered too.LOL

OH. Right. Sorry. Oops.

Well, the disqualification bit only came out later, and I think if that had happened at the time the 'sympathy vote' would have pulled them through. I think both daners are popular with the public, especially Kelly. And TBH I don't think the judges would have minded too much if that had happened.

I used to be Lens No 1 fan, but he has turned 180 degrees.

He used to be very straight and fair e.g his interview in America for his Bio.

Len (on Strictly Come Dancing): We get a lot of flak from audiences who think we're being mean to their favourite celebrity, but I have to keep stressing that we're voting with our heads. It's up to the audience to vote with their hearts.

We now vote with our hearts and he moans like an old washer woman.

In Brunos defense, he has always been an excitable wooley headed *&%^. So no change there.

Great quote............and oh so true.

Why would anyone want Kate to carry dancing like that!

I declare myself a moany old washer woman too!

Never said I liked Kate's dance....I voted for her because she is my favourite and I did not like the way the judges attacked her.

I like personality and bravery. She has these in trumps.

Others like Penny are just flat shallow characters.

As Bruce and Tess say, vote for your favourite. (not the best dancer)

I still prefer good dancers to personality and bravery, especially in a dance competition.

Well after Saturdays fiasco, Bruce was pleading for people to vote based on the dance NOT personality!!
Unfortunately, the BBC saw fit to cut that out of the Sunday results show!

IT'S A DANCE SHOW!!!

Nah.....As Karen said when asked how good Mark was in relation to a proffessional....it would take at least 20 years to get that good.

This is a celebrity popularity game show without the fluffy toys as prizes.

And yet Bruno's defence, in the telephone interview, on ITT was that he voted with his heart.

So now, the professional judges, the so-called experts, can vote with their hearts, but the public are supposed to vote on the technical competence of the dance?

It all sounds a bit *rse about face to me.

But all the judges and some of the dancers thought what Bruno did was wrong!
Craig said he's kicking himself that he gave Kelly and Brendan an 8 when he would have disqualified them.

They all felt that he should NOT be judging with his heart.

Judges are there to vote on the competency of the dance, including all of the technical aspects, and the choreography, not to vote with their hearts. If the BBC wanted Judges to vote with their hearts, they would invite members of the public onto the panel.

Where can one fine those rules, and what do they say about lifts?

Google it on the american web sites.

There are a multitude of dance sites available.

Funny though, no mention of lifts, apparantly that's on a contest by contest basis.

Bruno gave them a 10 because he thought it was a great dance.

He'd already given Alehsa a 9. If he thought K&B were better despite the pointless extra lift, he had nowhere to go but 10.

I tried yesterday & found nothing useful on lifts.

& nothing that said an extra lift means disqualification.

He said on ITT Monday that he gave them a 10 because he couldn't give them an 11 (indicating that the dance was better than perfection, or was he just jesting?).