seeing all the fuss on various message boards about certain Celebs having previous dance training at stage school, pop videos, private lessons etc - in next years SCD should the BBC only get in people like Kate Garraway, Fiona Phillips, Carol Vordeman etc that really can't dance - then we wouldn't have all these unfair advantage complaints
Should only Celebs with two left feet take part
What would be the entertainment value, except as car-crash TV (which is not the most edifying thing to watch)?
I certainly would not want to sit through one programme, never mind a complete series, stuffed full of the likes of Chris Parker, Fiona Phillips, Kate Garraway, Diamund Gavin etc.
I certainly would not want to sit through one programme, never mind a complete series, stuffed full of the likes of Chris Parker, Fiona Phillips, Kate Garraway, Diamund Gavin etc.
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“What would be the entertainment value, except as car-crash TV (which is not the most edifying thing to watch)?
I certainly would not want to sit through one programme, never mind a complete series, stuffed full of the likes of Chris Parker, Fiona Phillips, Kate Garraway, Diamund Gavin etc.”
“What would be the entertainment value, except as car-crash TV (which is not the most edifying thing to watch)?
I certainly would not want to sit through one programme, never mind a complete series, stuffed full of the likes of Chris Parker, Fiona Phillips, Kate Garraway, Diamund Gavin etc.”
Neither would I but there seems to be loads of people that complain about people having an unfair advantage so this seems to be the only answer
I like watching the variety between the contestants.
Sure, maybe some do have an advantage over others, but it's interesting to watch the improvements of those who haven't had any experience, and the talents who those who have dancing experience under their belts and are very good.
Sure, maybe some do have an advantage over others, but it's interesting to watch the improvements of those who haven't had any experience, and the talents who those who have dancing experience under their belts and are very good.
No, you're right, I wouldn't want to watch that. I also would find a programme full of people who could dance before they arrived pretty pointless. The mix works - and it works because we're all going to have different favourites for different reasons.
Whilst I don't usually mind the mix - at the moment the gulf between the likes of Kelly at one extreme and Kate and Kenny at the other is VERY unfair.
Of course Kelly is the best dancer on the show, but she's had years of training in dance, and I wish the judges would take some regard to the effort that the non dancers put in each week.
In fairness the car crash celebs are usually small in number (one per series), but I actually prefer to see the learning to dance celebs going on their journey than watching those who are already very good........
Of course Kelly is the best dancer on the show, but she's had years of training in dance, and I wish the judges would take some regard to the effort that the non dancers put in each week.
In fairness the car crash celebs are usually small in number (one per series), but I actually prefer to see the learning to dance celebs going on their journey than watching those who are already very good........
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“Whilst I don't usually mind the mix - at the moment the gulf between the likes of Kelly at one extreme and Kate and Kenny at the other is VERY unfair.
Of course Kelly is the best dancer on the show, but she's had years of training in dance, and I wish the judges would take some regard to the effort that the non dancers put in each week.
In fairness the car crash celebs are usually small in number (one per series), but I actually prefer to see the learning to dance celebs going on their journey than watching those who are already very good........”
“Whilst I don't usually mind the mix - at the moment the gulf between the likes of Kelly at one extreme and Kate and Kenny at the other is VERY unfair.
Of course Kelly is the best dancer on the show, but she's had years of training in dance, and I wish the judges would take some regard to the effort that the non dancers put in each week.
In fairness the car crash celebs are usually small in number (one per series), but I actually prefer to see the learning to dance celebs going on their journey than watching those who are already very good........”
everyone keeps on the saying that but I've looked and all I can find is that she went to stage school (like others Celebs) & did some pop videos when she was 16
Clearly everyone comes to the show with different skills and abilities and that's fine. If Kelly, Penny, Alisha etc have had training/lessons before the competition that's fine and I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is when the show pretends that this isn't the case ie that none of them have ever danced before......the audiance isn't stupid and shouldn't be treated as such.
Originally Posted by PrincessNidor:
“Clearly everyone comes to the show with different skills and abilities and that's fine. If Kelly, Penny, Alisha etc have had training/lessons before the competition that's fine and I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is when the show pretends that this isn't the case ie that none of them have ever danced before......the audiance isn't stupid and shouldn't be treated as such.”
“Clearly everyone comes to the show with different skills and abilities and that's fine. If Kelly, Penny, Alisha etc have had training/lessons before the competition that's fine and I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is when the show pretends that this isn't the case ie that none of them have ever danced before......the audiance isn't stupid and shouldn't be treated as such.”
But that's surely the BBC's fault NOT the contestants!
Originally Posted by welwynrose:
“Neither would I but there seems to be loads of people that complain about people having an unfair advantage so this seems to be the only answer”
“Neither would I but there seems to be loads of people that complain about people having an unfair advantage so this seems to be the only answer”
Only perhaps to those who have complained. And of course, there is the flipside argument - have no-one on with two left feet
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“Whilst I don't usually mind the mix - at the moment the gulf between the likes of Kelly at one extreme and Kate and Kenny at the other is VERY unfair.”
“Whilst I don't usually mind the mix - at the moment the gulf between the likes of Kelly at one extreme and Kate and Kenny at the other is VERY unfair.”
Sorry, but why on earth should it be fair in your view? It's just as likely that someone like Kenny could improve sufficiently to become a true contender, just as Mark Ramprakash, Matt Dawson and Darren Gough did. Those that really are at the top of their game have very little further to improve, whilst those at the bottom can demostrably improve in leaps & bounds each week.
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“In fairness the car crash celebs are usually small in number (one per series), but I actually prefer to see the learning to dance celebs going on their journey than watching those who are already very good........”
“In fairness the car crash celebs are usually small in number (one per series), but I actually prefer to see the learning to dance celebs going on their journey than watching those who are already very good........”
There is, thankfully a great deal of difference between a car-crash celeb and a learning to dance celeb.
Originally Posted by welwynrose:
“seeing all the fuss on various message boards about certain Celebs having previous dance training at stage school, pop videos, private lessons etc - in next years SCD should the BBC only get in people like Kate Garraway, Fiona Phillips, Carol Vordeman etc that really can't dance - then we wouldn't have all these unfair advantage complaints”
“seeing all the fuss on various message boards about certain Celebs having previous dance training at stage school, pop videos, private lessons etc - in next years SCD should the BBC only get in people like Kate Garraway, Fiona Phillips, Carol Vordeman etc that really can't dance - then we wouldn't have all these unfair advantage complaints”
Celebs without dance training would include:
Colin Jackson, Denise Lewis, Matt Dawson ,Darren Gough and Mark Ramprakash
So yesss please only celebs without dance training !
The reason I say those with experience have an unfair advantage is that the dear judges keep telling us we should vote for the best dancers, and indeed the judges keep marking the likes of Kelly higher than the rest. Why on earth are they inviting the never danced before brigade to participate at all when they can never catch up?
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If the programme really IS voting for the "best dancers" there should be a level playing field, and the celebs should have had little or no dance experience before doing SCD.
Fortunately, the much maligned public DO seem to choose a winner who has progressed the most during the series rather than one who was good from the start. Jill was upfront about how much dancing she had done in the past so it wasn't held against her
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If the programme really IS voting for the "best dancers" there should be a level playing field, and the celebs should have had little or no dance experience before doing SCD.
Fortunately, the much maligned public DO seem to choose a winner who has progressed the most during the series rather than one who was good from the start. Jill was upfront about how much dancing she had done in the past so it wasn't held against her
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“ Fortunately, the much maligned public DO seem to choose a winner who has progressed the most during the series rather than one who was good from the start.”
“ Fortunately, the much maligned public DO seem to choose a winner who has progressed the most during the series rather than one who was good from the start.”
I had thought it might have been an idea for the judges to be able to award a wildcard to the couple they feel had made the most progress each week, thereby allowing them to bypass the public vote and progress directly into the next round. That's if we could rely on the judges to award this honestly!?
It would help safeguard some of the more vulnerable celebs early on and maybe provide incentive for every couple to give each week their all, even if they were daunted by the level of the other competitors?
Originally Posted by jive bunny:
“I had thought it might have been an idea for the judges to be able to award a wildcard to the couple they feel had made the most progess each week, thereby allowing them to bypass the public vote and progress directly into the next round. That's if we could rely on the judges to award this honestly!? It would help safeguard some of the more vulnerable celebs early on and maybe provide incentive for every couple to give each week their all, even if they were daunted by the level of the other competitors?”
“I had thought it might have been an idea for the judges to be able to award a wildcard to the couple they feel had made the most progess each week, thereby allowing them to bypass the public vote and progress directly into the next round. That's if we could rely on the judges to award this honestly!?
It would help safeguard some of the more vulnerable celebs early on and maybe provide incentive for every couple to give each week their all, even if they were daunted by the level of the other competitors?”
I think that is an excellent suggestion,as long as you say we can trust the judges
Originally Posted by welwynrose:
“seeing all the fuss on various message boards about certain Celebs having previous dance training at stage school, pop videos, private lessons etc - in next years SCD should the BBC only get in people like Kate Garraway, Fiona Phillips, Carol Vordeman etc that really can't dance - then we wouldn't have all these unfair advantage complaints”
“seeing all the fuss on various message boards about certain Celebs having previous dance training at stage school, pop videos, private lessons etc - in next years SCD should the BBC only get in people like Kate Garraway, Fiona Phillips, Carol Vordeman etc that really can't dance - then we wouldn't have all these unfair advantage complaints”
Yup, absolutely!!
I'm not exactly a national celebrity, but everyone knows me in this 'ere village I live in. I have at least two left feet - feels more like three when I get up in the morning.
Bags I dance with James Jordan.
I'm not sure that you could exclude everyone who has had dance training, because most actors and actresses will have had some experience at stage school, even if they never had the vaguest intention of dancing professionally.
But I do think they should make an effort to not include people who have had extensive dance training, and should definitely exclude anyone who has ever danced professionally.
Personally, I'd like to see a line-up where I have no idea whether they'll be able to dance or not. Last year, the fact that Emma Bunton could dance was no surprise to me given that she danced in the Spice Girls. But who would have known that Matt Dawson and Mark Ramprakash would be able to dance at all?
That's what makes it a good show - not a procession of good dancers or a whole group of bad ones, it's about letting people you thought you knew through their public profile surprise you.
Last edited by JoDay : 02-11-2007 at 18:25
But I do think they should make an effort to not include people who have had extensive dance training, and should definitely exclude anyone who has ever danced professionally.
Personally, I'd like to see a line-up where I have no idea whether they'll be able to dance or not. Last year, the fact that Emma Bunton could dance was no surprise to me given that she danced in the Spice Girls. But who would have known that Matt Dawson and Mark Ramprakash would be able to dance at all?
That's what makes it a good show - not a procession of good dancers or a whole group of bad ones, it's about letting people you thought you knew through their public profile surprise you.
Last edited by JoDay : 02-11-2007 at 18:25
The problem is that you can't really tell how good people will be before they atart. A case in point is Kate; potentially she could have been pretty good.
But I do think that people who have had a lot of dance experience are at an advantage like the girl in DWTS (forgotten her name sorry).
But I do think that people who have had a lot of dance experience are at an advantage like the girl in DWTS (forgotten her name sorry).
Originally Posted by HANN4H:
“The problem is that you can't really tell how good people will be before they atart.”
“The problem is that you can't really tell how good people will be before they atart.”
Absolutely right. What can SCD do - audition people? A celebrity might be Ginger Rogers or Fred Astaire in their dreams. The reality only hits once they start learning.
Originally Posted by welwynrose:
“seeing all the fuss on various message boards about certain Celebs having previous dance training at stage school, pop videos, private lessons etc - in next years SCD should the BBC only get in people like Kate Garraway, Fiona Phillips, Carol Vordeman etc that really can't dance - then we wouldn't have all these unfair advantage complaints”
“seeing all the fuss on various message boards about certain Celebs having previous dance training at stage school, pop videos, private lessons etc - in next years SCD should the BBC only get in people like Kate Garraway, Fiona Phillips, Carol Vordeman etc that really can't dance - then we wouldn't have all these unfair advantage complaints”
Of course not. SCD has dancers of all abilities which is great.
Originally Posted by welwynrose:
“seeing all the fuss on various message boards about certain Celebs having previous dance training at stage school, pop videos, private lessons etc - in next years SCD should the BBC only get in people like Kate Garraway, Fiona Phillips, Carol Vordeman etc that really can't dance - then we wouldn't have all these unfair advantage complaints”
“seeing all the fuss on various message boards about certain Celebs having previous dance training at stage school, pop videos, private lessons etc - in next years SCD should the BBC only get in people like Kate Garraway, Fiona Phillips, Carol Vordeman etc that really can't dance - then we wouldn't have all these unfair advantage complaints”
Oooh this is quite an interesting thought. I think SCD full of left footers would be horrendous
In a sadistic way it's entertaining to watch the likes of Kate and Fiona get dragged around by their pro partners and of course (if/when it happens) it's a buzz to watch them blossom into good dancers. That said I would turn over if all SCD offered was terrible dancing and I bet it wouldn't be long before the pro dancers stopped getting involved with the programme.It's exciting and awe-inspiring to watch a dance done well so for me SCD has to have a nice mix - celebrities who have a certain level of ability and those who don't.
