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ejak
09-11-2007
I find in some cases certain threads are posted for the reaction from forum members, and not some uncontrollable urge to tell the world of their dislike .

Lets face it unless that person has been in the show constantly what would provoke the sudden reation of "I hate ........ who was kicked off early in the show and hasn't been seen that much to actually rile me up".

If the mods feel a certain thread has been posted just to provoke a reaction then they will remove them.

Which seems to have happened with a certain thread. confirms my thoughts to me that thread was just to provoke reactions.
Last edited by ejak : 09-11-2007 at 10:32
-meisje-
09-11-2007
Originally Posted by addicks1:
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But that's the difference isn't it, in the situation you are describing, they are asking for your views. When someone starts a thread 'I am so disliking ...' it's not in response to anything. Just imagine walking up to everyone that you know superficially but are not particularly keen on and saying I really dislike you because of ....”

What?! Do you really think that expressing your views to a bunch of nobodies on an internet forum is comparable to acosting someone in the street and ranting at them?!!?

I don't think so somehow! If they choose to come here and read those threads then they are deliberately seeking out people's views of them, which they could just as easily avoid if they chose.
Austen1984
09-11-2007
Originally Posted by Seymour:
“Stop whinging Karen you got your thread pulled!:yawn:”

HAHA!

Well - Karen may have something to say shortly...I have a comeback plan which may unsettle a few people on here....

I was quite balanced about Karen - I said I liked her choreography, loved some of her dancing, enjoyed her scd reports....I said I didn't like her crying or some of the things she did last year. Nothing was an aggresive personal attack.

If the Karen-fans can' cope with that...well, I guess it just spurs me to up it a notch!

The mods on here are clearly Karen fans - and hate Kelly and Dom, cos their hate-threads which were MUCH worse then the Karen ones - are still there.

Oh well - if I don't have a place to air my annoyances in my own thread - maybe I'll just pop into others...keeping within the guidelines of course!

Karen-fans - I think I'd like to get to know you better!
claire2281
09-11-2007
Originally Posted by Austen1984:
“The mods on here are clearly Karen fans - and hate Kelly and Dom, cos their hate-threads which were MUCH worse then the Karen ones - are still there.”

I agree that there is much worse elsewhere that doesn't get deleted but rather than them being Karen fans it is probably more likely because lots of people contacted the mods against your thread that they did something about it - anything for an easy life an all that.

Dom and Kelly just don't have that mass of people defending them.

There's nothing like a bit of mob rule, is there?
sarah-flute
09-11-2007
Originally Posted by Austen1984:
“I have a comeback plan which may unsettle a few people on here....”

Austen, I'm not bothered about who posts what hate thread (though I tend to think some are rather childish), but a "comback plan"? This smacks of tit-for-tat, and is something I expect to see in a primary school playground
diddygirl
09-11-2007
Originally Posted by sarah-flute:
“Austen, I'm not bothered about who posts what hate thread (though I tend to think some are rather childish), but a "comback plan"? This smacks of tit-for-tat, and is something I expect to see in a primary school playground ”

I tend to agree. Let the Karenites have their little victory. If it means that much to them that they had to have your thread removed, pity them instead, rather than carrying on with winding them up, it will only get out of hand.
DerChef
09-11-2007
Der Chef says

Better not post my

"who has a bigger belly <Male Celeb A> or <Female Celeb B> poll then "


Ohhh Yeah
Austen1984
09-11-2007
Originally Posted by sarah-flute:
“Austen, I'm not bothered about who posts what hate thread (though I tend to think some are rather childish), but a "comback plan"? This smacks of tit-for-tat, and is something I expect to see in a primary school playground ”

I never went to school - so I'm looking for a part of what I missed!

Nah - seriously - i've started a thread which is more about the particular Karen fans, and specifically about the mods, which is my last desperate attempt to restore some fairness to this forum (if there ever was any!) otherwise i'm going to leave this place for fairer fields!
Seymour
10-11-2007
Originally Posted by sarah-flute:
“Austen, I'm not bothered about who posts what hate thread (though I tend to think some are rather childish), but a "comback plan"? This smacks of tit-for-tat, and is something I expect to see in a primary school playground ”


Speaking of childish behaviour, I notice the children threw their rattles out of their pram again last night and got yet another thread pulled, bless, I bet Karen is really proud of them an extra pat on the back or maybe a smiley face...does she do smiley faces?
Muggsy
10-11-2007
Originally Posted by Seymour:
“Speaking of childish behaviour, I notice the children threw their rattles out of their pram again last night and got yet another thread pulled, bless, I bet Karen is really proud of them an extra pat on the back or maybe a smiley face...does she do smiley faces?”

Yeah, but at least I managed to have my say before it was consigned to oblivian.
Crystal Tips
10-11-2007
Originally Posted by Austen1984:
“Nah - seriously - i've started a thread which is more about the particular Karen fans, and specifically about the mods, which is my last desperate attempt to restore some fairness to this forum (if there ever was any!) otherwise i'm going to leave this place for fairer fields! ”

Austen, for what is it worth, I think you deserve the equivalent of the Victoria Cross for your services to this forum! I have marveled at your consistent attempts to be patient and clear and balanced about what you had to say in the face of some pretty difficult reactions. And I think it was a great shame that your thread was pulled. You tried over and over again to present your views in a very reasonable way and I can only imagine that it was the reaction of some posters to what they thought you were saying that got the thread pulled in the end. But who knows?

I don't know whether to laugh at the ridiculousness of this place sometimes, or to cry. I do a bit of both. Some people simply cannot accept that a different view is not necessarily an attack or that a dislike is not necessarily a 'hate'. And as for people who think that anytime anyone posts a thread or a post that invites discussion is being 'provocative', I can do nothing but throw my hands in the air with despair. All of us post because we want to share our thoughts or get a reaction. Thats what a forum is about! And yes, maybe sometimes some people do post to be 'provocative'. What on earth is wrong with that? If it gets people talking and listening and thinking, it can be a very good thing.

Sorry I did not come out of the woodwork to support you sooner. I really have admired your attempts to have a real discussion and I am sorry that your patience was not rewarded.
Seymour
10-11-2007
Originally Posted by Muggsy:
“Yeah, but at least I managed to have my say before it was consigned to oblivian.”


I didn't get to see the end result, I only saw the first few posts. I read on some thread this morning about banning the J word, it would appear the K word is well and truely banned... it would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic, it is hard to believe that at least one of the Karenites are 50plus.
Claudia57
10-11-2007
Originally Posted by Spinaker5:
“That is your point of view and I wouldn't expect you to hold any other. One thing I do know is that the people both here and on the BBC's website who are hurling mud pies at Kelly and Brendan nearly always turn out to be fans of Alesha and Matt.”

I thought the Karenites were accused of the Kelly bashing and that's why the banned thread started

So the name of the thread was wrong ? and should have been 'why I dislike Alesha'
Spinaker5
10-11-2007
Originally Posted by Claudia57:
“ I thought the Karenites were accused of the Kelly bashing and that's why the banned thread started

So the name of the thread was wrong ? and should have been 'why I dislike Alesha' ”

My understanding is that the thread was banned because fans of Karen's had complained when she was criticised. My point is that noboby has complained about Kelly being criticised in a personal and unpleasant way. The worst thing that i've read about re. Karen is that she pulls faces when she dances. It's a fact. Some like it and some don't.
Claudia57
10-11-2007
Originally Posted by Spinaker5:
“My understanding is that the thread was banned because fans of Karen's had complained when she was criticised. My point is that noboby has complained about Kelly being criticised in a personal and unpleasant way. The worst thing that i've read about re. Karen is that she pulls faces when she dances. It's a fact. Some like it and some don't.”

I just reacted to your point that it were mostly Alesha and Matt fans who did the Kelly bashing.

I don't mind whatever thread is started, can't take any seriously. Can't bother whatever thread is banned either.
Miah
10-11-2007
For what it's worth (and this coming from someone accused of being a member of the 'Karen Police', which I'm not) it was the second thread that I think was the controversial one. Starting a thread regardless of who it happens to be about, be they Karen fans, Camilla fans, Brendan fans etc is going to stir up a lot of unpleasantry no matter how nicely you try to phrase it.

People are always going to dislike individuals in high profile TV shows which is fair enough, and people are always going to voice their opinions, which is their right. But starting a thread about their fans is a sure way of getting a thread pulled as quick as you can snap your fingers. DS doesn't like to court controversy...
Spinaker5
10-11-2007
Originally Posted by Miah:
“For what it's worth (and this coming from someone accused of being a member of the 'Karen Police', which I'm not) it was the second thread that I think was the controversial one. Starting a thread regardless of who it happens to be about, be they Karen fans, Camilla fans, Brendan fans etc is going to stir up a lot of unpleasantry no matter how nicely you try to phrase it.

People are always going to dislike individuals in high profile TV shows which is fair enough, and people are always going to voice their opinions, which is their right. But starting a thread about their fans is a sure way of getting a thread pulled as quick as you can snap your fingers. DS doesn't like to court controversy...”

I don't like the whole idea of starting a thread 'I'm so disliking...' SCD is about supporting and voting for the dancers we like (for whatever reason). Although each week someone is 'evicted' SCD is a much nicer concept than Big Brother. I'm sorry that it's becoming more like BB and that some people have so much hatred that they need to offload.
Muggsy
10-11-2007
Originally Posted by Spinaker5:
“I don't like the whole idea of starting a thread 'I'm so disliking...' SCD is about supporting and voting for the dancers we like (for whatever reason). Although each week someone is 'evicted' SCD is a much nicer concept than Big Brother. I'm sorry that it's becoming more like BB and that some people have so much hatred that they need to offload.”

I don't think I've got any hatred to offload.

Sarcasm and mockery is more my style.
Last edited by Muggsy : 10-11-2007 at 11:48
davidnicholl
10-11-2007
I do agree, up to a point. I think to start a 'how much I hate XXX' threads is pathetic and unnecessary. But I do like to give my opinion on how I like a certain celeb/dancer or if I don't like them/their dance for any reason. After all, these are discussion threads and I think it's important to be able to give your opinion, even a negative opinion.
swnymor1963
10-11-2007
Originally Posted by Crystal Tips:
“Austen, for what is it worth, I think you deserve the equivalent of the Victoria Cross for your services to this forum! I have marveled at your consistent attempts to be patient and clear and balanced about what you had to say in the face of some pretty difficult reactions. And I think it was a great shame that your thread was pulled. You tried over and over again to present your views in a very reasonable way and I can only imagine that it was the reaction of some posters to what they thought you were saying that got the thread pulled in the end. But who knows?

I don't know whether to laugh at the ridiculousness of this place sometimes, or to cry. I do a bit of both. Some people simply cannot accept that a different view is not necessarily an attack or that a dislike is not necessarily a 'hate'.
And as for people who think that anytime anyone posts a thread or a post that invites discussion is being 'provocative', I can do nothing but throw my hands in the air with despair. All of us post because we want to share our thoughts or get a reaction. Thats what a forum is about! And yes, maybe sometimes some people do post to be 'provocative'. What on earth is wrong with that? If it gets people talking and listening and thinking, it can be a very good thing.

Sorry I did not come out of the woodwork to support you sooner. I really have admired your attempts to have a real discussion and I am sorry that your patience was not rewarded.”

Great post.....I too am beginning to despair at the reaction of some members when a negative comment is made about their favourite. Many members seem to want all debate censored on this board in the belief that all should be "pink and fluffy". Well having posted on several Big Brother forums for a couple of years it is now my belief that there is far more hostility on this board than any BB forum..... unbelievable I hear you gasp.....no I`am not joking, this site really is hostile towards anyone who dares to raise their head above the parapit. A little humour and wit would`t go a miss when defending the honour of your favourite..... and it`s much more entertaining than pressing the dreaded alert button.
Tissy
10-11-2007
Originally Posted by swnymor1963:
“Great post.....I too am beginning to despair at the reaction of some members when a negative comment is made about their favourite. Many members seem to want all debate censored on this board in the belief that all should be "pink and fluffy". Well having posted on several Big Brother forums for a couple of years it is now my belief that there is far more hostility on this board than any BB forum..... unbelievable I hear you gasp.....no I`am not joking, this site really is hostile towards anyone who dares to raise their head above the parapit. A little humour and wit would`t go a miss when defending the honour of your favourite..... and it`s much more entertaining than pressing the dreaded alert button.”

You have got to be joking !

BB forum is really ugly when in full swing
swnymor1963
10-11-2007
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“You have got to be joking !

BB forum is really ugly when in full swing ”

Maybe it just feels that way at the moment........ I think members expect hostility on the BB forum......but the humour always seems to take the heat out of the debate. I think the SCD board has had a humour by-pass this year.......well apart from the lazy journalist thread.
Spinaker5
10-11-2007
Originally Posted by davidnicholl:
“I do agree, up to a point. I think to start a 'how much I hate XXX' threads is pathetic and unnecessary. But I do like to give my opinion on how I like a certain celeb/dancer or if I don't like them/their dance for any reason. After all, these are discussion threads and I think it's important to be able to give your opinion, even a negative opinion.”

I agree that all opinions don't have to be positive but the line has to be drawn somewhere. Most of us have not met any of the celebrities or pro dancers and do not know what they are really like. Someone who comes across as 'genuine' rather than 'fake' could just be a good actor/actress. Conversely, someone who comes across as 'fake' could really be sincere. For me than line comes when remarks are unpleasantly personal.
Spinaker5
10-11-2007
Originally Posted by swnymor1963:
“Maybe it just feels that way at the moment........ I think members expect hostility on the BB forum......but the humour always seems to take the heat out of the debate. I think the SCD board has had a humour by-pass this year.......well apart from the lazy journalist thread.”

I've read some of the lazy journalist postings and Bridget Jones. There are some talented people out there. I too would welcome more humour rather than these deadly earnest fan wars.
Inner Self
10-11-2007
Originally Posted by Seymour:
“I didn't get to see the end result, I only saw the first few posts. I read on some thread this morning about banning the J word, it would appear the K word is well and truely banned... it would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic, it is hard to believe that at least one of the Karenites are 50plus.”

I assume you are referring to me

For the record its 50 ( no plus about it )

And also I'm not a Karenite

You can ask anyone on the Karen Hardy thread.

I post there occasionally , I go to her classes , I abhor unfair personal criticism of her ( or anybody else of my acquaintance) and I like her, professionally and personally.
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