I like the Sunday show.
Petition to the BBC
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This series is getting MORE coverage in the papers etc so the BBC won't give a monkeys.
I won't vote Kate as I want her out. Shes a embarrassment. If I wanted her on my TV I'd watch "World's most dumbest dancers"
I won't vote Kate as I want her out. Shes a embarrassment. If I wanted her on my TV I'd watch "World's most dumbest dancers"
On a different tack to voting systems, would "celebrities" stoop to being auditioned prior to the series so that those with some vague ability to stand up and move in a coordinated manner to music are selected for the show, and hopefully leaving out the Parkers, Phillips, Willsons and Garraways?
I imagine at this point in time, Anton would be in favour of this (in private).
I imagine at this point in time, Anton would be in favour of this (in private).
Originally Posted by TangoLover:
“Possibly.
And when defining the word “irony” one could use this from an online dictionary:
Irony: the discrepancy between what is said and what is meant, what is said and what is done, what is expected or intended and what happens, what is meant or said and what others understand.”
“Possibly.
And when defining the word “irony” one could use this from an online dictionary:
Irony: the discrepancy between what is said and what is meant, what is said and what is done, what is expected or intended and what happens, what is meant or said and what others understand.”
I'm sorry Tangolover I'm afraid that this was lost on some people. You have to say exactly what you mean.
However, this admonishment does not apply to Craig. He is forever being told not to be so mean to the poor Kate. The audience apparently always votes against what he says. Maybe he should switch to Irony.
Oh well, that's it then, some people are taking this all far too seriously.
DEMANDS....... just who does anyone think they are kidding.....
Scrap the Sunday show AND change the bias of the voting method.
So pretty determined to go for the beebs jugular... Or is this a position of bargaining. You know demand a billion quid an settle for 4.5 K and plane full of enough fuel to get the perpertrators to Cuba.
How very very sad.
DEMANDS....... just who does anyone think they are kidding.....
Scrap the Sunday show AND change the bias of the voting method.
So pretty determined to go for the beebs jugular... Or is this a position of bargaining. You know demand a billion quid an settle for 4.5 K and plane full of enough fuel to get the perpertrators to Cuba.
How very very sad.
The reason the Beeb wouldn't allow the petition is because it contained the word "dancing" and this is not what the contest is all about.
It's about appealing to the bozos who'll vote for any favourite of theirs whether or not they can dance.
The most stupid thing about the whole contest is that people are voting BEFORE the dancing takes pace, a nation of Mystic Megs.
Ok I'll vote on monday for a dance contest which takes place the following Saturday , DOH.
It's about appealing to the bozos who'll vote for any favourite of theirs whether or not they can dance.
The most stupid thing about the whole contest is that people are voting BEFORE the dancing takes pace, a nation of Mystic Megs.
Ok I'll vote on monday for a dance contest which takes place the following Saturday , DOH.
Originally Posted by dancepro:
“However, this admonishment does not apply to Craig. He is forever being told not to be so mean to the poor Kate. The audience apparently always votes against what he says. Maybe he should switch to Irony.”
“However, this admonishment does not apply to Craig. He is forever being told not to be so mean to the poor Kate. The audience apparently always votes against what he says. Maybe he should switch to Irony.”
I understand your point. Maybe he should be "nice" for an ulterior motive but I generally prefer Truth.
Originally Posted by hiawatha:
“The most stupid thing about the whole contest is that people are voting BEFORE the dancing takes pace, a nation of Mystic Megs.
Ok I'll vote on monday for a dance contest which takes place the following Saturday , DOH.”
“The most stupid thing about the whole contest is that people are voting BEFORE the dancing takes pace, a nation of Mystic Megs.
Ok I'll vote on monday for a dance contest which takes place the following Saturday , DOH.”
Hey get with the programme. I know who's on in the 2008 series and I'm already voting for my favourite, trying hard personality on that series.
Originally Posted by TangoLover:
“Hey get with the programme. I know who's on in the 2008 series and I'm already voting for my favourite, trying hard personality on that series.”
“Hey get with the programme. I know who's on in the 2008 series and I'm already voting for my favourite, trying hard personality on that series.
”
I understand the Krankies are representing Scottieland2008
Should win easily.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Agree most of that.
I wouldn't stress the viewing figures - they are doing too well to change their minds on that - yet . The second point in that paragraph is the stronger one - its becoming a farce. Its not a viewing figure problem yet but you logically can't sustain a show where who goes has no relationship to who performs best. If anyone can go and who wins isn't related to ability or effort its not sensible for the celebrities to try hard or the pros to bother. Why train if you just don't fit the stereotype the public are voting for or people lfar worse suck up all the votes? Why should the judges turn up if its only to be made to look like fools and then forced to vote out the people they have just told us were good ? Its ultimately unsatifactory for the audience too as its pretty pointless supporting anyone when everyone could go at random. They can get by so long by claiming that the people who got to the final are worthy and telling people that winning is meaningful but even that can't be sustained forever. As it becomes obvious that the competition either went early and/or he best people may not even have made the final, it should become obvious that whatever you are voting for its not the winner of a dancing competition.”
“Agree most of that.
I wouldn't stress the viewing figures - they are doing too well to change their minds on that - yet . The second point in that paragraph is the stronger one - its becoming a farce. Its not a viewing figure problem yet but you logically can't sustain a show where who goes has no relationship to who performs best. If anyone can go and who wins isn't related to ability or effort its not sensible for the celebrities to try hard or the pros to bother. Why train if you just don't fit the stereotype the public are voting for or people lfar worse suck up all the votes? Why should the judges turn up if its only to be made to look like fools and then forced to vote out the people they have just told us were good ? Its ultimately unsatifactory for the audience too as its pretty pointless supporting anyone when everyone could go at random. They can get by so long by claiming that the people who got to the final are worthy and telling people that winning is meaningful but even that can't be sustained forever. As it becomes obvious that the competition either went early and/or he best people may not even have made the final, it should become obvious that whatever you are voting for its not the winner of a dancing competition.”
You talk alot of sense! Thanks networkbabe.
Originally Posted by TangoLover:
“On a different tack to voting systems, would "celebrities" stoop to being auditioned prior to the series so that those with some vague ability to stand up and move in a coordinated manner to music are selected for the show, and hopefully leaving out the Parkers, Phillips, Willsons and Garraways?
I imagine at this point in time, Anton would be in favour of this (in private).”
“On a different tack to voting systems, would "celebrities" stoop to being auditioned prior to the series so that those with some vague ability to stand up and move in a coordinated manner to music are selected for the show, and hopefully leaving out the Parkers, Phillips, Willsons and Garraways?
I imagine at this point in time, Anton would be in favour of this (in private).”
I think they are already auditioned! I'm sure I remember reading about that.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Its not a viewing figure problem yet but you logically can't sustain a show where who goes has no relationship to who performs best.”
“Its not a viewing figure problem yet but you logically can't sustain a show where who goes has no relationship to who performs best.”
Except for the fact that the term "best" and the term "favourite" can have a number of definitions.
Best can be who danced the best, who entertained the best, who had improved the best, or who shows the best potential.
Favourite can be a person's favourite based on personality, based on how well they performed the last dance, based on how much they have improved, based on simple popularity. It could even mean favourite to improve.
This is ridiculous - that means that we will have a crap show!
I'm part of the 'British Public' and I don't mind the Sunday show. Means there is SCD every day of the week now!
Don't keep Kate in just because of that - I want to see good dancing (cos I'm actually interested in the dancing rather then the celebrities!)
Also - the petition will fail because you are threatening to...um...vote, and correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't voting give money to the BBC?
I mean...I may have missed something but...?
I'm part of the 'British Public' and I don't mind the Sunday show. Means there is SCD every day of the week now!
Don't keep Kate in just because of that - I want to see good dancing (cos I'm actually interested in the dancing rather then the celebrities!)
Also - the petition will fail because you are threatening to...um...vote, and correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't voting give money to the BBC?
I mean...I may have missed something but...?
Originally Posted by Austen1984:
“Also - the petition will fail because you are threatening to...um...vote, and correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't voting give money to the BBC?”
“Also - the petition will fail because you are threatening to...um...vote, and correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't voting give money to the BBC?”
Well, it gives money to the Children In Need charity rather than the BBC.
And of course, threats are hardly the way the achieve things, and what are quite frankly forum petitions with little overall support and which completely miss the main points will have little recognition anyway (although they do allow people to get things off their chest, in a strange "Tooting Popular Front" sort of way).
The plain fact is that the Sunday show is a ratings success, the format does work (and I was very sceptical in the first instance), and if people are intent on voting for people with little talent and little hope of improvement, then that is the fickle nature of the public for you (but as previous years have demonstrated, after about week 7 they seem to come to their senses and vote for the dancers rather than the underdogs with little ability to progress).
If people here really do think that the Kate vote up till now is a reflection of the Public's anger with the new format, then they are quite simply, wrong.
No amount of tinkering with the wording, or any announcements to vote for the best dancer will change that.
Originally Posted by Austen1984:
“I mean...I may have missed something but...?”
“I mean...I may have missed something but...?”
Perhaps you missed my post where I pointed out my OP was meant to be ironic?
Originally Posted by TangoLover:
“Perhaps you missed my post where I pointed out my OP was meant to be ironic?”
“Perhaps you missed my post where I pointed out my OP was meant to be ironic?”
Oops! Sorry!
I feel like a right tit now!
This is riddiculous true fans of the show aren't going to stop watching in protest!! As it happens I like there being a show on Sunday, it means I get a SCD fix seven days of the week. Plus it means I can go out (all be it later) on a Saturday night without missing anything. 
I undersign!
Don't agree completely with point 3 though; as long as they make it more clear that your favourites should be those who dance well, as well as seem amiable (instead of 'Lilia's great, my favourite no matter who she dances with'), I think the voting can remain as it is.
Don't agree completely with point 3 though; as long as they make it more clear that your favourites should be those who dance well, as well as seem amiable (instead of 'Lilia's great, my favourite no matter who she dances with'
), I think the voting can remain as it is.
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Well, it gives money to the Children In Need charity rather than the BBC.
”
“Well, it gives money to the Children In Need charity rather than the BBC.
”
Not all of it.
12.5P to CIN
The rest of the revenue is shared in some proportion between BT (or whoever is hosting the tel numbers) and the BBC.
Originally Posted by dancepro:
“Not all of it.
12.5P to CIN
The rest of the revenue is shared in some proportion between BT (or whoever is hosting the tel numbers) and the BBC.”
“Not all of it.
12.5P to CIN
The rest of the revenue is shared in some proportion between BT (or whoever is hosting the tel numbers) and the BBC.”
And the BBC has to pay for the phone services (they do not get them for free), including the ongoing costs. The telco does not provide those services FOC, and any BBC staffing/admin also has to be paid for. The bottom line is that the BBC does not profit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/charityappeals/voting/
Quote:
“The BBC cannot itself make money from voting. But programmes which contain a popular vote, using a premium rate number, may raise money for BBC charities, such as BBC Children in Need and Comic Relief.”
“The BBC cannot itself make money from voting. But programmes which contain a popular vote, using a premium rate number, may raise money for BBC charities, such as BBC Children in Need and Comic Relief.”
Quote:
“Many programmes on commercial television with a popular vote only give a small proportion of monies raised to charity. All revenue from BBC charity voting lines goes to charity, after costs for operator charges and tax. The amount going to the charity will vary with the operator charges but typically, from a 25p BBC vote line, 12.5p will go to charity and from a £1 BBC vote line, 77p will go to charity.”
“Many programmes on commercial television with a popular vote only give a small proportion of monies raised to charity. All revenue from BBC charity voting lines goes to charity, after costs for operator charges and tax. The amount going to the charity will vary with the operator charges but typically, from a 25p BBC vote line, 12.5p will go to charity and from a £1 BBC vote line, 77p will go to charity.”
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Voting for the worst is the opposite of what the OP proposed - voting out the worst.
There's no reason to suspect it wouldn't usually work logically as most people could recognise the worst dancer and the people supporting the dire dancers would have to spread their votes over everyone else. It might dispose of the dire. Later on it would reproduce the current problem where the best are not always popular enough to survive and would be voted out by the fans of the less good. It solves the Kate problem but not the later ones. In some cases where silly or racial arguments take a hold it might not even work early on.
Where it fails is on the money question because unless people are actually personally awful more people will vote for what they like than to get someone out.”
“Voting for the worst is the opposite of what the OP proposed - voting out the worst.
There's no reason to suspect it wouldn't usually work logically as most people could recognise the worst dancer and the people supporting the dire dancers would have to spread their votes over everyone else. It might dispose of the dire. Later on it would reproduce the current problem where the best are not always popular enough to survive and would be voted out by the fans of the less good. It solves the Kate problem but not the later ones. In some cases where silly or racial arguments take a hold it might not even work early on.
Where it fails is on the money question because unless people are actually personally awful more people will vote for what they like than to get someone out.”
Here's another suggestion for everyone to think about. How about the bottom two with the judges 'face the public vote' - the GBP have all week from Sunday night to Saturday to vote, then at the start of the Saturday show it's revealed who is out.
Err, then KG would probably stay in each week....hmm, back to the drawing board.............
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“And the BBC has to pay for the phone services (they do not get them for free), including the ongoing costs. The telco does not provide those services FOC, and any BBC staffing/admin also has to be paid for. The bottom line is that the BBC does not profit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/charityappeals/voting/”
“And the BBC has to pay for the phone services (they do not get them for free), including the ongoing costs. The telco does not provide those services FOC, and any BBC staffing/admin also has to be paid for. The bottom line is that the BBC does not profit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/charityappeals/voting/”
Sorry - I stand corrected.
No problem - I'm rather a veteran from the Broadcasting forum, and things like this have cropped up before 
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