Depends on your price range - I mean given the choice between the 37 inch Panasonic PX70 selling for £749 or the Sony 40 Inch X3000 or X3500 selling for around "1700 I'd take the Panny every time.
Has LCD surpassed Plasma at 40" plus
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We bought and then promptly returned 5 LCD TV's in succession, all looked good in the dark corner of the electrical retailers store running from a HD DVD source, but all looked pants when hooked up to the Sky box in our front room, then we tried a 42" 2nd hand NEC plasma monitor - even my Mrs loved it and it has made me a plasma fan. Still haven't seen any LCD screen as good as this 2 year old plasma, but I accept that one day when everything is transmitted in HD and LCD has improved that LCD might me the way to go, but not yet.
i'd go for 37" in an average living room, otherwise the TV becomes the dominating factor.
I have been researching this for a few weeks now, and no matter which way i head, it always seems to come back to the panny px70. most of the reviews say it out performs the full HD sets, and runs at 24fps.
in terms of LCD over plasma, i read on one of the other threads that Sony are going to re-introduce a plasma. Given the progress of technology, i believe that plasma is the way to go. it has been improving year on year, whereas the larger LCD's are still in their infancy tech wise.
I have been researching this for a few weeks now, and no matter which way i head, it always seems to come back to the panny px70. most of the reviews say it out performs the full HD sets, and runs at 24fps.
in terms of LCD over plasma, i read on one of the other threads that Sony are going to re-introduce a plasma. Given the progress of technology, i believe that plasma is the way to go. it has been improving year on year, whereas the larger LCD's are still in their infancy tech wise.
A good LCD TV is OK for everyday viewing but if picture quality is your main driver then plasma is the way to go.
I am a Sony fan but I think I'm going to go for the Panny TH37PX70 after reading several hundred posts.
My room dictates that it will have to sit in a corner so I'll have to have the Cabinet stand but I can't find on the web, (even the Panasonic site) the dimensions of the stand.
Anybody know or got a link?
My room dictates that it will have to sit in a corner so I'll have to have the Cabinet stand but I can't find on the web, (even the Panasonic site) the dimensions of the stand.
Anybody know or got a link?
my real issue with the LCD's is the viewing angle. as and when Mrs allows me to get the flatscreen i want (looking at the jan sales, fingers crossed) it will be the px70.
since i have the TV in the corner of the room, with the sofas in a general L shape, i have realised that anyone sitting on the ends of the sofas will have a poor picture.
since i have the TV in the corner of the room, with the sofas in a general L shape, i have realised that anyone sitting on the ends of the sofas will have a poor picture.
Originally Posted by Phil S:
“However I do have a lot of respect for forum member views and when most say Plasma are better (particulary for SD, which is probably all of which I will watch) I am in a dilema as to what 37" or 40" (42" is probably too big) to buy (when I get permission from the guv).
What do you reckon?”
“However I do have a lot of respect for forum member views and when most say Plasma are better (particulary for SD, which is probably all of which I will watch) I am in a dilema as to what 37" or 40" (42" is probably too big) to buy (when I get permission from the guv).
What do you reckon?”
Go and see which YOU prefer, and don't get one that's too large. A decent make LCD, of the correct size, will give as good (and probably better) picture as your 28 inch Sony.
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“Go and see which YOU prefer, and don't get one that's too large. A decent make LCD, of the correct size, will give as good (and probably better) picture as your 28 inch Sony.”
“Go and see which YOU prefer, and don't get one that's too large. A decent make LCD, of the correct size, will give as good (and probably better) picture as your 28 inch Sony.”
Yes, I would very much like to do that but every shop I go in can't be bothered, don't know how or haven't got the facility to show a SD off air DTT picture which is what I'll be watching plus SD DVDs. They all have this HD source piped through them. I can't tell anything from that, they all look good.
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“Go and see which YOU prefer, and don't get one that's too large. A decent make LCD, of the correct size, will give as good (and probably better) picture as your 28 inch Sony.”
“Go and see which YOU prefer, and don't get one that's too large. A decent make LCD, of the correct size, will give as good (and probably better) picture as your 28 inch Sony.”
I agree fully with this, but make sure that they link up the TV to a decent source for you. not the multi-split signal that most of the TV's will be running from.
Also, if you can. move to the rough positions that anyone in your living room will be sitting in and check the picture from there. the set-ups they have in shops always puts you in an ideal position and very few of us actually use a TV like that in the home.
technicaly,plasma is better at that size.Lcd has lots of issues,such as fast movement looks blurred,blacks look more grey in a dark room due to the backlight showing through,and plasma does not have these issues.If you want to get a better idea,have a look at this study
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/campaign...latScreen.html
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/campaign...latScreen.html
Originally Posted by digi al:
“technicaly,plasma is better at that size.Lcd has lots of issues,such as fast movement looks blurred,blacks look more grey in a dark room due to the backlight showing through,and plasma does not have these issues.If you want to get a better idea,have a look at this study
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/campaign...latScreen.html”
“technicaly,plasma is better at that size.Lcd has lots of issues,such as fast movement looks blurred,blacks look more grey in a dark room due to the backlight showing through,and plasma does not have these issues.If you want to get a better idea,have a look at this study
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/campaign...latScreen.html”
Interesting study! - paid for by Plasma manufacturers, I wonder if that could have anything to do with the findings?
I notice it doesn't mention what sets were used for the test?, or how old they were?, decent quality modern LCD's have perfectly acceptable blacks (although probably NOT as good as Plasma), and don't have any fast movement issues these days.
There are a number of issues where LCD are better than Plasma, but it seems pointless listing them again!.
But like I said before, go and check them for yourself - if a shop won't do it for you, then go to one that will. Any decent shop should have both HD and SD demonstrations, showing just HD is highly misleading - even cheap LCD's look good on HD, because it's not having to upscale the image.
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“Interesting study! - paid for by Plasma manufacturers, I wonder if that could have anything to do with the findings?
I notice it doesn't mention what sets were used for the test?, or how old they were?, decent quality modern LCD's have perfectly acceptable blacks (although probably NOT as good as Plasma), and don't have any fast movement issues these days.
There are a number of issues where LCD are better than Plasma, but it seems pointless listing them again!.
But like I said before, go and check them for yourself - if a shop won't do it for you, then go to one that will. Any decent shop should have both HD and SD demonstrations, showing just HD is highly misleading - even cheap LCD's look good on HD, because it's not having to upscale the image.”
“Interesting study! - paid for by Plasma manufacturers, I wonder if that could have anything to do with the findings?
I notice it doesn't mention what sets were used for the test?, or how old they were?, decent quality modern LCD's have perfectly acceptable blacks (although probably NOT as good as Plasma), and don't have any fast movement issues these days.
There are a number of issues where LCD are better than Plasma, but it seems pointless listing them again!.
But like I said before, go and check them for yourself - if a shop won't do it for you, then go to one that will. Any decent shop should have both HD and SD demonstrations, showing just HD is highly misleading - even cheap LCD's look good on HD, because it's not having to upscale the image.”
It was a blind test,all the manuafacturers names were covered up,and the participants had no idea whether they were looking at a plasma or lcd,they were just ask questions on what they were seeing.
Originally Posted by digi al:
“It was a blind test,all the manuafacturers names were covered up,and the participants had no idea whether they were looking at a plasma or lcd,they were just ask questions on what they were seeing.”
“It was a blind test,all the manuafacturers names were covered up,and the participants had no idea whether they were looking at a plasma or lcd,they were just ask questions on what they were seeing.”
Can't help feeling that it wasn't an open and honest test then.
Could have been manipulated to suit the conclusion they were looking for.
Or perhaps people can see that Plasma just produces a better picture than LCD technology?
SDTV is what the majority of us watch predominantly, so why settle for an inferior LCD just because Mr and Mrs Jones next door have one that was sold to them by those lovely staff at Currys?
Go watch a plasma and LCD side by side displaying the same picture and see what you think.
SDTV is what the majority of us watch predominantly, so why settle for an inferior LCD just because Mr and Mrs Jones next door have one that was sold to them by those lovely staff at Currys?
Go watch a plasma and LCD side by side displaying the same picture and see what you think.
Originally Posted by digi al:
“It was a blind test,all the manuafacturers names were covered up,and the participants had no idea whether they were looking at a plasma or lcd,they were just ask questions on what they were seeing.”
“It was a blind test,all the manuafacturers names were covered up,and the participants had no idea whether they were looking at a plasma or lcd,they were just ask questions on what they were seeing.”
Blind tests, all plasma on HD,all lcd on SD,and I would know a Sony by its shape. Blind Test better eyes closed.
Bob
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Originally Posted by JimRockford:
“....................and Plasma is dying out anyway.”
“....................and Plasma is dying out anyway.”
Is it? Say's who?
What's your source of information?
Originally Posted by Phil S:
“Can't help feeling that it wasn't an open and honest test then.
Could have been manipulated to suit the conclusion they were looking for.”
“Can't help feeling that it wasn't an open and honest test then.
Could have been manipulated to suit the conclusion they were looking for.”
Easily done - you put a Panasonic Plasma against a Vestel LCD - both the names covered up. That's why I commented about the lack information in the 'test' - it's completely meaningless without that sort of information.
It's like doing a test between diesel and petrol cars, you use the new super Audi diesel (that's won at Le Mon two years running), and a 1L Fiesta - positive 'proof' that diesel peforms better than petrol!
Originally Posted by Phil S:
“Is it? Say's who?
What's your source of information?”
“Is it? Say's who?
What's your source of information?”
A lot of people are saying it:
http://www.tech.co.uk/home-entertain...eid=1655470774
Not a great thing for a SHARP spokesman to say now they have invested a ton of cash in Pioneer as a leading Plasma producer and developer
Originally Posted by Jimmy Riddle:
“Some people just can't acceot that Plasma handles SD better.”
“Some people just can't acceot that Plasma handles SD better.”
I think the issue is more down the budget plasmas which may well get a kickin' from the latest generation of LCD's.
It hasn't really been practical to compare like for like for most people where as now you can compare both technologies at most price points and that can mean "cheap" plasma against state of the art LCD, not a fair comparison.
A side by side of the latest Pio LX508D against the SONY KDL-52X3500 would be interesting.
i have been doing loads of research into this over the last couple of weeks as i want to upgrade my CRT.
The general consensus that i seem to have found from mags/internet site/forums, is that the two have their own strengths and weaknesses.
in short it appears that plasma is not a spent force (esp as there is a new generation coming next year and sony have re-adopted the technology).
my research has led me to conclude that plasma is better at dark images, overall viewing angle & fast images. whereas the LCD's really excel at true/full HD images (blu-ray & the like).
given that sci-fi & footy (yep, no idea how i got married either!) are my passions, i think plasma is the way to go for me.
at the end of the day i think it really does come down to what you are going to use it for.
The general consensus that i seem to have found from mags/internet site/forums, is that the two have their own strengths and weaknesses.
in short it appears that plasma is not a spent force (esp as there is a new generation coming next year and sony have re-adopted the technology).
my research has led me to conclude that plasma is better at dark images, overall viewing angle & fast images. whereas the LCD's really excel at true/full HD images (blu-ray & the like).
given that sci-fi & footy (yep, no idea how i got married either!) are my passions, i think plasma is the way to go for me.
at the end of the day i think it really does come down to what you are going to use it for.
I agree, I watch a hell of a lot of footy, so it was a no-brainer for me to get a plasma, especially when they are half the price of the new Sony's. I've had a Sony LCD before - very good for gaming but not very good at SD.
Originally Posted by Jarrak:
“A side by side of the latest Pio LX508D against the SONY KDL-52X3500 would be interesting.”
“A side by side of the latest Pio LX508D against the SONY KDL-52X3500 would be interesting.”
I could not do that, but I did compare the Pioneer PDP-427XD side by side against the Sony 40X2000 and I preferred the Pioneer, despite the Sony costing more than 50% more at the time.
That is not to say that the Sony is not a great TV, I just happen to prefer the picture on the plasmas I have seen. But, each to their own.
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