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Has LCD surpassed Plasma at 40" plus
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Jarrak
20-11-2007
Originally Posted by Tony Boman:
“I could not do that, but I did compare the Pioneer PDP-427XD side by side against the Sony 40X2000 and I preferred the Pioneer, despite the Sony costing more than 50% more at the time.

That is not to say that the Sony is not a great TV, I just happen to prefer the picture on the plasmas I have seen. But, each to their own.”




Exactly, regardless of paper stats and other opinions actually seeing a couple of potential purchases in action really should provide the buyer with what is best for them.

I choose the two models mentioned since they seem to be in a similar "class" buy price and market position, quite shocking really to see high end products not a million mile apart price wise
upnunder
20-11-2007
I chose a Samsung 32" LCD for my front room, and in the main living room I chose a Samsung 40" LCD.

I looked at plasma and LCD, and for the budget I had, an LCD was much better. I compared the two, side by side, and preferred the LCD over the plasma.
merlodlliw
20-11-2007
Originally Posted by upnunder:
“I chose a Samsung 32" LCD for my front room, and in the main living room I chose a Samsung 40" LCD.

I looked at plasma and LCD, and for the budget I had, an LCD was much better. I compared the two, side by side, and preferred the LCD over the plasma.”

Did you get a good deal? out of interest. Is not the 32 made by the same firm for Sony also?


Bob
Jaycee Dove
20-11-2007
We were set on an LCD when we first looked into this last year, but after much research and watching actual sets there is not a shadow of a doubt that Plasma provided in virtually every case a better SD picture. Also if you watch lots of sport (eg football) in HD then Plasma again won out every time.

In balancing the SD/HD picture, price, size and all other factors we went for the Panasonic 37 PX (model was 60 as it was 2006).

We have been delighted.

We paid a lot more than this set costs now and at its current price would not hesitate.
carefree cook
20-11-2007
Originally Posted by Jimmy Riddle:
“Or perhaps people can see that Plasma just produces a better picture than LCD technology?

why settle for an inferior LCD just because Mr and Mrs Jones next door have one that was sold to them by those lovely staff at Currys?

Go watch a plasma and LCD side by side displaying the same picture and see what you think.”

Originally Posted by Jimmy Riddle:
“Some people just can't acceot that Plasma handles SD better.”

what narrow minded views, this is why you fail.
carefree cook
20-11-2007
Originally Posted by merlodlliw:
“Did you get a good deal? out of interest. Is not the 32 made by the same firm for Sony also?


Bob”

sony/samsung share the factory in barcelona and the s-lcd technology.

samsung do not make sony screens,
sony do not make samsung screens
merlodlliw
20-11-2007
Originally Posted by carefree cook:
“sony/samsung share the factory in barcelona and the s-lcd technology.

samsung do not make sony screens,
sony do not make samsung screens”

Though so, many thanks.

Off to the slopes I suppose. I see Eurostar is running Ski Specials in December from St Pancras.




Bob
Last edited by merlodlliw : 20-11-2007 at 18:54
carefree cook
20-11-2007
Originally Posted by merlodlliw:
“Though so, many thanks.

Off to the slopes I suppose. I see Eurostar is running Ski Specials in December from St Pancras.




Bob”

no problem. its amazing how many people take this fact and say one makes screens for the other!

i work as a ski instructor there.
eurostar do a couple of so called 'ski trains', decent packages around december time. St pancras has only just opened again has it not?
Nigel Goodwin
20-11-2007
Originally Posted by carefree cook:
“sony/samsung share the factory in barcelona and the s-lcd technology.

samsung do not make sony screens,
sony do not make samsung screens”

There's so much misinformation about Sony and Samsung, Sony manufacture some of their TV's at their plant in Barcelona, which as far as I'm aware has nothing whatsoever to do with Samsung?, and the LCD panels aren't made there either.

According to Wikipedia the S-LCD plant is at Chungcheongnam-do, South Korea - and is 50% Samsung (+1 share) and 50% Sony (-1 share) - so Samsung have the controlling interest by 1 share (or would that be two shares?).
carefree cook
20-11-2007
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“There's so much misinformation about Sony and Samsung, Sony manufacture some of their TV's at their plant in Barcelona, which as far as I'm aware has nothing whatsoever to do with Samsung?, and the LCD panels aren't made there either.

According to Wikipedia the S-LCD plant is at Chungcheongnam-do, South Korea - and is 50% Samsung (+1 share) and 50% Sony (-1 share) - so Samsung have the controlling interest by 1 share (or would that be two shares?).”


well clearly sony do not manufacture all their sets in one factory. as far as i recall from the last meeting with our sony rep there is a connection with samsung ans sony in barcelona, which specific parts towards a whole are made there i have no idea, but on the latest bravia box it reads 'assembled in barcelona'.
i believe the smaller sets are assembled in Slovakia? the 15'' g2000 is for sure

on the shares, i have no idea that is quite confusing, i would then say 49% 51%, but i am no expert in the stock market however i would say wikipedia is certainly not the most reliable site, i could edit it so they are manufactured at my address!

good luck prononcing the name Chungcheongnam-do
Nigel Goodwin
20-11-2007
Originally Posted by carefree cook:
“well clearly sony do not manufacture all their sets in one factory. as far as i recall from the last meeting with our sony rep there is a connection with samsung ans sony in barcelona
”

I can only imagine your rep is imagining things?, there is no similarity between Sony and Samsung TV sets.

One obvious connection is VCR's, where the last few years of Sony VCR's have been bought in from Samsung.

Quote:
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which specific parts towards a whole are made there i have no idea, but on the latest bravia box it reads 'assembled in barcelona'.
”

Can't say I've ever seen one that says 'assembled'? or 'Barcelona'? either, but I'm in no doubt that's all that's done in Barcelona - I've never imagined the PCB's were made there.

Quote:
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i believe the smaller sets are assembled in Slovakia? the 15'' g2000 is for sure
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The U series sets come from eastern/central Europe as well, might be Hungry? - I can't remember - certainly the RDR-HXD870 is made in Hungry.

Quote:
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on the shares, i have no idea that is quite confusing, i would then say 49% 51%, but i am no expert in the stock market however i would say wikipedia is certainly not the most reliable site, i could edit it so they are manufactured at my address!
”

It said 'one share' not 1%, I doubt there's only 100 shares? - while I agree with your comment about Wikipedia, it makes a LOT more sense than Barcelona!

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good luck prononcing the name Chungcheongnam-do”

Wasn't planning on trying!.
timmillwood
21-11-2007
If i was to buy a new TV tomorrow I would be VERY temped with an LCD, BUT i think i would only trust Sony.

I have always been 100% Plasma and many times I have been quoted saying "i would never buy an LCD" but my new TV MUST be 1080p for Xbox and HD DVD, and there is little choice in plasma at a competitive price.

I would go for either Samsung 50" 1080p Plasma (forget the model number) or the Sony 52W3000 (i think the X series is not worth the extra).

Pioneers are nice and if I won the lottery i would get one but i think for half the price you can get a really good TV. Its like saying yes a Rolls Royce is nice but for half the price I can get a Mercedes.

Point made?
da33431
21-11-2007
Aren't the Panasonic PZ series 1080p? Very reasonably priced from what I've seen.
timmillwood
21-11-2007
Originally Posted by da33431:
“Aren't the Panasonic PZ series 1080p? Very reasonably priced from what I've seen.”

Yeh but the contrast is only 5000:1 giving it really crap colours compared with the PX series. I would rather a Sony LCD.
Phil S
21-11-2007
OK - I've done what some of you have said on here and gone and compared a £699 Panny 37" PX70 Plasma side by side with a £699 Sony 40" S3000 with a standard Freeview SD source.

I stood there for 20 mins flicking both through different channels and in the end my eyes were boggled.
I have to say that I couldn't tell much difference and in fact if anything the Sony was crisper and brighter but this may just have been user settings.

So IMO it's no longer clear cut between Plasma and the latest entry Sony LCDs.
merlodlliw
21-11-2007
Originally Posted by carefree cook:
“no problem. its amazing how many people take this fact and say one makes screens for the other!

i work as a ski instructor there.
eurostar do a couple of so called 'ski trains', decent packages around december time. St pancras has only just opened again has it not?”

Good Apri Sky Evening.

St Pancras is now International & Domestic, Eurostar started running their quicker trains last week,Waterloo is no longer handling Eurostar, The other part is used by the newly branded East Midland Trains(midland main line)
http://stpancras.eurostar.com/en-gb

So its now London Brussels in under two hours.


Bob
Last edited by merlodlliw : 21-11-2007 at 18:12
skinj
22-11-2007
Originally Posted by timmillwood:
“Yeh but the contrast is only 5000:1 giving it really crap colours compared with the PX series. I would rather a Sony LCD.”

Twaddle!
The 42PZ70/58PZ700/50pz70 are all 10,000-1. The 50/42PZ700 are 5000-1 as they use slightly older panels though this might change.
da33431
22-11-2007
Originally Posted by Phil S:
“OK - I've done what some of you have said on here and gone and compared a £699 Panny 37" PX70 Plasma side by side with a £699 Sony 40" S3000 with a standard Freeview SD source.

I stood there for 20 mins flicking both through different channels and in the end my eyes were boggled.
I have to say that I couldn't tell much difference and in fact if anything the Sony was crisper and brighter but this may just have been user settings.

So IMO it's no longer clear cut between Plasma and the latest entry Sony LCDs.”

I had a Sony S series too before I upgraded to the Panny PX700. The main difference I noticed - and the lower the picture quality and amount of motion affected this the most - was that the Sony noticably suffered from mosquito noise and smearing (have a look at this months What Hi-Fi to see what I mean and watch some Champions League on ITV1 or ITV4 for a good comparison!).

That said I did have the Sony S2010 though and I suspect the panel has improved now. But the most noticable thing was that the Sony was a 26" and the Panny a 42" - yet the smearing and noise is virtually non existent on the Panny. Although I remember my first LCD - a Tevion and that had motion blur so bad I couldn't even see the ball during match and tennis was a big no go!

On HD signals (particularly Blu-ray), I have a slight preference for the LCD.
carefree cook
22-11-2007
Quote:
“I can only imagine your rep is imagining things?, there is no similarity between Sony and Samsung TV sets.

One obvious connection is VCR's, where the last few years of Sony VCR's have been bought in from Samsung.”

i will let you read in to this how ever you like, but for me it would suggest some kind of connection. http://www.ciol.com/content/news/2004/104121403.asp



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“Can't say I've ever seen one that says 'assembled'? or 'Barcelona'? either, but I'm in no doubt that's all that's done in Barcelona - I've never imagined the PCB's were made there.”

sorry i did not mean barcelona, i meant 'assembled in Spain', which would be their Barcelona plant



Quote:
“It said 'one share' not 1%, I doubt there's only 100 shares? - ”

like i say, i am no market player. but i would have said the 1 share would mean samsung hold a majority??
carefree cook
22-11-2007
Originally Posted by timmillwood:
“Sony 52W3000 (i think the X series is not worth the extra).”

depends how much you rate 100hz pictures on an lcd versus 50hz, seeing the difference in our shop every day, i would only buy 100Hz


Originally Posted by da33431:
“ was that the Sony noticably suffered from mosquito noise”

i would say mosquito noise is one of the biggest problems with LCD on SD, it really does ruin the football!!
Nigel Goodwin
22-11-2007
Originally Posted by carefree cook:
“i will let you read in to this how ever you like, but for me it would suggest some kind of connection. http://www.ciol.com/content/news/2004/104121403.asp
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It merely says they have reached an agreement to share technology - it says nothing about making equipment for each other.

Quote:
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like i say, i am no market player. but i would have said the 1 share would mean samsung hold a majority??”

Yes, I expect that was the point of it - after all most of the technology is Samsungs.
carefree cook
22-11-2007
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“It merely says they have reached an agreement to share technology - it says nothing about making equipment for each other.”

which at no point i have claimed.

interesting agreement however
Nigel Goodwin
22-11-2007
Originally Posted by carefree cook:
“which at no point i have claimed.

Originally Posted by carefree cook:
“sony/samsung share the factory in barcelona”
”

Perhaps not, but your quote above seems even more than that? - and even less to do with the agreement?.

Quote:
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interesting agreement however”

Looks like a legal manoeuvre to avoid any problems over patents, nothing more - and a number of other Japanese and Korean companies were involved as well.
carefree cook
22-11-2007
right this cleared up.

the only connection with sony and samsung is the patent 'sharing' agreement and the plant in Korea that produces just Amorphous TFT s-LCD display panels.
SONY have MAJOR plants in Barcelona, spain, Trnava, Slovakia, Nitra, Slovakia. a few Assembly plants eg Bridgend, Wales, New Stanton, USA etc. what exact particulars are done there i have no idea. my OP is slightly mixed up i do apologise for any inconvenience caused.thanks
Nigel Goodwin
22-11-2007
Originally Posted by carefree cook:
“right this cleared up.

the only connection with sony and samsung is the patent 'sharing' agreement and the plant in Korea that produces just Amorphous TFT s-LCD display panels.
SONY have MAJOR plants in Barcelona, spain, Trnava, Slovakia, Nitra, Slovakia. a few Assembly plants eg Bridgend, Wales, New Stanton, USA etc. what exact particulars are done there i have no idea. my OP is slightly mixed up i do apologise for any inconvenience caused.thanks”

Slovakia! - that's where the U series sets are 'made'

Many of the new PVR's and DVD recorders are made in Hungry, and any faulty ones have to be returned there for the first few months of sales (until Sony authorise you to repair them) - a quality control scheme.
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