I'm sorry, but it's an attitude like this which undermines the very magic and success of SCD - the dancing. If you don't care about the dancing and just want to be entertained and spend your money voting for the most amusing celeb who falls about then why not switch over to 'I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here?'. I just don't understand why you're even watching SCD if you think that liking good dance is snobbery and you want the worst dancer to stay in.

Seriously, never has this icon been more appropriate.

Hear hear Indigo.
As my old teacher used to say, "the insults say more about the insulter than the insulted." Some of these are spiteful character assassinations as opposed to dance critiques.

She's a great sport and she makes people chuckle along with her. Joyous laughter is a seriously underated tonic in this world we live in. The anti Kate brigade should read the papers and find some real horrors and tragedies to vent about.

Der Chef says

er um what number do I phone to vote Kate OUT exactly

Ohhh Yeah

*adds argument that a vote for Kate is a vote against dance snobbery to the ever-increasing list of inane reasons we're meant to vote for her*

Reminds me of a saying my granny had. "Fools and their money are easily parted."

Her dancing doesn't make me laugh - it makes me cringe. That's about the opposite to a tonic...

Seeing some of the other contestants dance - now THAT gives me joy. And that doesn't make me a bad person, a dance snob, or insensitive to real tragedy in the world.

You vote for who you want to vote for, that's your choice and your money, but don't try to make out that people who don't want to see Kate dance/won't pay money to vote for her are dance snobs or just hate her. It's ridiculous.

clonion... yep

DerChef: 090 1121 3011

For me the "real magic "of SCD is the children who will benefit from it and then second in priority but important the great entertainment, watching people trying a skill new to them and supporting them through those trials and tribulations. For people like me trying and failing is not humiliation it's triumph. So it's not all about the best dancer, it's about much more. By the way I also like Alesha!

Decent dancing and good entertainment? Kate is definitely not the former, and is embarrassingly bad for the latter (unless you are into car crash TV)

Some people clearly are

So your argument boils down to the fact that you don't want Kate to dance because she's bad! sounds like dance elitism to me. For many others the message of SCD is have a go, even if your not good you'll have fun!

Yes, I am afraid you are right.

Elitism - such a bad thing, isn't it? Can't have anyone doing well, no everyone must be mediocre, right?

Superbly ironic that those who pretend to hold the moral high ground in the cause of true dance, compare a poor dance performance to the tragedy and personal pain caused by a car crash. Real car crash TV is when peoples pain and humiliation is exploited, that you compare a bit of not so good dancing to this, shows the elitism of dance purists.
Nobody is being hurt in the making of SCD apart maybe for a few dance snobs who take it all to seriously.

Elitism is bad because it punishes people it considers second class.
No I applaud anyone who does well and they derserve reward but I also applaud those who try and have a go.

More people vote for Kate and Anton than anyone else. Does that mean they are ALL wrong?

Oh please, the term "car crash TV" is well known.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...m=Car+Crash+TV

And perhaps it is telling that you are using the term "dance snob" to cover those that also wish to be entertained (by dance, or just plain entertainment value), and use it in a derogatory way that seems to put people into fighting factions.
We are all fans of the programme, regardless. That is something that we now seem to be losing sight of bit by bit. And because of that, and aided by some strong feelings, these forums are getting to the point of being rather fractious & unwelcoming.

If only she did "try"

Kitten12 - seriously, I don't know how it's possible to gauge other people's efforts. Her training hours are about the same as everyone else aren't they? Not sure how else we can tell?
Granted, she probably needs to put in EXTRA effort as her natural talents ain't great, & according to Vincent, Louisa didn't need as much training time because her talent level was higher.
Maybe Kate just doesn't sweat as much as other people!!

It seems, indigomoon, that if someone doesn't vote for Kate because of her dancing, they are a dance snob. If they don't vote because of her personality or because "she doesn't appear to be trying" then they're making judgements on someone they don't know.

In fact, the only way to stay in your good graces is to vote for Kate... I'll pass.

Just for the record, dancers who I have enjoyed/appreciated their effort even if I haven't voted for them:

Julian Clary (he really, really tried!)
Bill Turnbull (fought through injury with good grace, (and indeed tried quite hard to downplay it toward the end) accepted the landslide of votes, but really didn't want to stay in at the expense of better dancers - and actually, he wasn't half bad)
Kenny Logan (no sense of rhythm, unhelpful body shape, and all the grace of, well, a rugby player, till Ola got hold of him - now really going some and far better than Kate, even if I don't plan to vote for him)


Yup.

*gives up*

I use the term dance snobs to indicate those who seek to curtail my right to vote for Kate regardless of whether she is the best dancer or not. The people causing these factions are those who would deny my right to enjoy and watch what I like. I do not seek to eliminate your favourites or critisise your choice. Please afford me the same respect.

But Balti, surely one can only make an assumption on those things by what she says and the way she acts? She gives the impression (a la Phillips) that this is a good old hoot and why should I bother when people vote anyway?

I would have to concur strongly with sara-flute's post above.

No , your wrong ! I have never written anything against any of the dancers and have never canvassed against any of them or told people that they should not vote for them. Please trawl through my posts if you don't believe me, otherwise an apology would be in order!
As for trying to get into my good graces the truth or an apology might help !

[quote=indigomoon;19399719]The personal attacks on Kate, someone I doubt you know in person, show the real anti Kate agenda.[quote]

sometimes indigo I think you're her mum

What's wrong with having a Hoot and training hard. She is currently 2nd in the number of training hours put in despite having a demanding full time job. I have never heard her say in any way that she's not bothering, this would seem to be making unfair assumptions. It is when people make these assumptions on little or no evidence that I feel this snobbery about dance is coming in. i.e. shes a bad dancer therefore she's not trying, exploiting peoples support, playing the fool. I always feel it's better to post positively about the dancers you like rather than negatively about others favourites!

[quote=kittles;19400973][quote=indigomoon;19399719]The personal attacks on Kate, someone I doubt you know in person, show the real anti Kate agenda.
No I'm not, but I would be proud if I was !