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Apparently it's because Turkey are wanting to join the EU, and the EU subsidising electronics manufacture there is to help them meet the required criteria.
At least that's what we've been told by various sources in the trade. |
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As I said above Nigel I dont think much Vestel or Beko electronic gear is actually made in Turkey today - most of it says "Made in China" on the back these days. I think it is Vestel designed maybe but?
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Well thank you for your arrogance!
I know two people who both bought the Tosh 32-WL66 rather than the 32-WLT66, and each saved themselves fifty quid in the process. One doesn't even have a TV aerial, all of his viewing is done via his Sky box, the other already has two digital Freeview tuners, one in an STB and one in a DVD recorder, so doesn't need a third. I see no reason to insult either of them. I don't want to get into a row about this - as I said, I often appreciate your informative views, I just don't understand the antagonism towards somebody who I don't think has done anything wrong. Other than not explaining outright "I already have alternative sources for digital TV" when you first questioned his wisdom regarding the lack of a digital tuner in his TV, instead Mark suggested "Look to the left" which did imply the same thing in a slightly wise-ass manner, he hasn't insulted anybody or misled anybody in any way. |
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Hi Gents.
Going back to my original question, I think many of you have answered well. It does appear though that there are circumstances for many of us that do not require (now and in the future) to have a TV with an analogue function. Or indeed for some, the opposite is true. Maybe I am fortunate to live in a location where I get a good digital signal, even by using a standard non-digital aerial and only require the analogue reception for watching on an old TV upstairs. Also, please continue to comment on what is happening to the digital switchover in other countries. I was under the impression that most TV sets in Finland were now all and only with digital tuners. |
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as freeview going to be out dated around 2010 with freeview mk2 you would be better saving money in not having an in built tuner
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as freeview going to be out dated around 2010 with freeview mk2 you would be better saving money in not having an in built tuner
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as freeview going to be out dated around 2010 with freeview mk2 you would be better saving money in not having an in built tuner
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If Digital is the new thing and Analogue will be switched off totally in a few years to come, what is the point of having a new TV with Nicam, Teletext and the like. Most of the country must surely be able to receive Digital by now anyway.
As for buying TVs withOUT an integrated digital tuner - I bought the 37WL66 rather than the 37WLT66 as it was £150 cheaper at the time - with that £150 (+ another £30) I bought a Humax PVR. If the Humax goes wrong, I buy another for £180, if an integrated tunner goes wrong - I'd be stuffed (or in for alot of calls to Toshiba at least)! Ideally I'd have bought a TV with no tunner at all (though the analogue tunner has been useful recently) but you seem to have to pay alot more for TVs with less features
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no thats for software issues
the HD from bbc etc will take up huge chunks of data from the space available for freeview so some channels will be transmitting on a lower bitstream with a poorer picture and sound this is already happening with DAB radio and a FM radio will have a better sound on most radio stations. Only satellite ( sky for example ) broadcast on the full bitrate available on radio some radio stations are only on mono sound to try and squeeze more stations on the limited bandwith available its a crazy situation and there will be a lot of unhappy people with their expensive tellys having their inbuilt tuners gefunct a few things to plough through http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets...v/sagentia.pdf http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051316 |
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I thought the 'software updates' function was to take care of this.
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DTT isn't broadcast at full strength yet (until Analogue is killed off in 2012), I often change from Freeview to analogue to watch channel 4, as the MUX that carries Channel4 is weak.
As for buying TVs withOUT an integrated digital tuner - I bought the 37WL66 rather than the 37WLT66 as it was £150 cheaper at the time - with that £150 (+ another £30) I bought a Humax PVR. If the Humax goes wrong, I buy another for £180, if an integrated tunner goes wrong - I'd be stuffed (or in for alot of calls to Toshiba at least)! Ideally I'd have bought a TV with no tunner at all (though the analogue tunner has been useful recently) but you seem to have to pay alot more for TVs with less features ![]() whilst you can get a card with a box for £20 , a lot of people are still paying a premium for integrated tellys whilst you and I would gladly spend £180 every so often we have to cater for the masses and £20 every 10 years for new technologies cant be too bad ....................... but is the upheavel worth it? twin aerials and the like? |
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........................its a crazy situation and there will be a lot of unhappy people with their expensive tellys having their inbuilt tuners gefunct |
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we are being sold todays technology, not tommorows
thats the get out clause anyway you could argue tellys with analogue tuner outdated so why adverise them/ sell them PC WORLD are the worst offenders. Computing technology moves daily forward but you are getting sold 18 months ago technology at inflated prices .......... e.g. wireless routers at 64mb when it should be 108mb plus for £50. They are making a fortune at poor joe publics ignorance or unwittling not knowing any different |
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we are being sold todays technology, not tommorows
thats the get out clause anyway you could argue tellys with analogue tuner outdated so why adverise them/ sell them PC WORLD are the worst offenders. Computing technology moves daily forward but you are getting sold 18 months ago technology at inflated prices .......... e.g. wireless routers at 64mb when it should be 108mb plus for £50. They are making a fortune at poor joe publics ignorance or unwittling not knowing any different |
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Not anyone. Some people can afford to buy a new expensive TV as often as they change their socks.
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Wouldn't the advice then be to anyone looking to buy a new TV, to go for a cheaper model that will do for 2 or 3 years instead of forking out over a thousand quid for something with built-in obsolescence.
Something being sold today can't have tomorrow's technology in it, if tomorrow's technology does not yet exist (at an affordable price). But as long as the end-user finds an alternative method of getting the signal from a machine with tomorrow's technology to today's television set, the TV doesn't become redundant. |
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i would recommend buy ANY make of telly as long as it has 2 or 3 hdmi inputs
its the new scart and if the telly has 2 or 3 scarts as well for your old dvd/ video player its keeping your old machines alive untill they blow up scart sockets hopefully are rgb enabled |
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Not anyone. Some people can afford to buy a new expensive TV as often as they change their socks.
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Not completely obsolete though is it? A new TV with a built-in digital tuner is also likely to be widescreen, flat panel and HD Ready. My newest telly has got a built-in Freeview tuner, but I can't remember the last time I watched something on Freeview. I think most people are now using their TV as much as a monitor to display Sky, Sky HD, DVDs, videos, video games etc etc etc as they are for watching things on it via the built-in digital tuner. From that point of view the TV will not need replacing, even if the digital tuner does not pick up everything that will eventually be available.
Something being sold today can't have tomorrow's technology in it, if tomorrow's technology does not yet exist (at an affordable price). But as long as the end-user finds an alternative method of getting the signal from a machine with tomorrow's technology to today's television set, the TV doesn't become redundant. |
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Wouldn't the advice then be to anyone looking to buy a new TV, to go for a cheaper model that will do for 2 or 3 years instead of forking out over a thousand quid for something with built-in obsolescence.
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