It looks like he's not going to be writing any episodes for it (the writers names for most of the episodes have been released and he's not written any of the ones listed so far), it looks like we're going to be seeing very little promotion of it (as it's now a month till it airs, and nothing where as last year I remember advertising starting about 7 or 8 weeks before it started), it's airing later than series 1 (as it's on BBC 2 this time rather than BBC 3), there's been little news about it and it's been delayed twice (it went from being planned for october 07, to being planned for late 07 to being planned for early 08).

It seems like he's disowned the show since the dead ringers parodies of it.

Torchwood starts showing in early January IIRC so I wouldn't imagine there would be any trailers for it at the moment. The BBC have to get Christmas out of the way first.

I rejoiced about it being given more time, as I hoped that it would solve some of the problems of the first year. As for RTD maybe he's a little busy with another show that he's involved with. I don't know if you've heard of it but it's called Doctor Who and he's very involved with the scripts for that show.

Oh and he didn't write any of the Sarah Jane Adventures either.

RTD isn't the showrunner of Torchwood, Chris Chibnall is

People are on record as saying the delay was essential as in series 1 the episodes were being finished less than a week before airing and this was causing problems. The delay was clearly the right thing to do in that situation. As for RTD the season 2 dvd set booklet states he works something like 12 hours a day every day on DW and torchwood and when he was ill production basically ground to a halt as every major decision had to be cleared by him. I doubt he could do anymore for torchwood even if he wanted to.

Wish he would disown Doctor Who then...

So how exactly does that contribute to him supposedly disowning it?


Perhaps they need to get Heroes (and perhaps Christams) out of the way first, and TW would be a major part of the New Year's programming


Yep, on BBC2 (a promotion to a main analogue channel) and the delay was essential


To me it looks like you are purposely searching for anything that could be construed as bad or negative in order to support a rather flimsy assertion.

i would expect thet'll show an advert for it after Voyage of the Damned if they dont have one in the website's advent calender.

No one else cares about Torchwood, so why should RTD?

The viewing figures, overseas sales and DVD sales indicate otherwise.

I'm sorry but the Torchwood 1st series was on the whole very disappointing. It felt rushed and no real thought put into the writing with compared to Doc Who. Yes you could argue that this was due to it trying to establish the cast etc but it just didn't feel right.

It sold overseas etc because of the connection with Doctor Who, not because it was good

The worst episodes? The Cyberwoman, Greeks Baring Gifts, They Keep Killing Suzie and the final two episodes of the series. So many of the stories borrowed heavily from other programmes and movies; Day 1 for example taking more than it's fair share of influence from Species.

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None of which is relevant. Your personal views have no bearing on the question of whether anyone cares.

The fact is that it did very well on BBC Three (getting very high digital ratings) and its weekly audience (BBC Three and Two) was around the four million mark. Enough to make it a BBC Two success (and these days a series getting just five million would be seen as a success on BBC One).

So clearly people did care.


You realise that buyers of overseas programmes get to see what they are buying before they purchase it? Have you heard, also, about its critical reception in the USA? 'Enthusiastic praise' would just about cover it


Which would be a fair criticism if it wasn't for the fact that Species borrowed heavily from things that came before it and pretty much everything on TV borrows from things that came before or uses common themes. 'Original' plots/themes/stories/ideas are pretty rare - if they even truly exist now at all.

If we rejected every episode of classic Doctor Who that borrowed wholesale, homaged, copied or just strangely resembled something that came before it... I'm really not sure what we'd have left.

I'm inclined to think that 'story a borrowed from/stole/ripped off story b from series/film c' is just a fairly lazy criticism that people make of things they don't like, but if it happens in something they do like they either fail to notice or are more forgiving. Very often that criticism does nothing more that point to the earliest/most well known/only example of said story/plot/theme/element that the critic is aware of.

It's 'hear, hear' - a contraction of 'hear him, hear him' or hear ye, hear ye'. Originally used in Parliament and by politicians in the hustings.

That is neither here nor there as I am referring to the viewing figures and DVD sales, not your opinion, which is totally irrelevant in the case of RTD or anyone else caring (which viewers did in order to provide the reasonable viewing figures).



Your opinion of course, there is no documentary evidence to back that up though, ven though there was evidence to back up the that it was well-received

I do love the way you're not able to express an opinion on these forums without being criticised or pulled up on spelling and or grammar.

my mistake.

I should use a ghost writer.

If you are referring to me I did neither. Stig said 'no-one else cares about Torchwood'. That's not an opinion - that's a statement of fact. As such it can be contradicted with the evidence. mossy2103 did so. eripmav then responded to him by offering a personal opinion about Torchwood, which he is absolutely free to have and express, and is neither right nor wrong in itself. It doesn't, however, have any bearing on whether 'no-one cares' and pointing that out is perfectly fair and reasonable.

So no-one has been criticised for having an opinion.

As for correcting dervish on 'hear, hear' - that isn't a criticism - it was a polite and friendly correction. It's a phrase commonly got wrong - and personally I know would want to know if I was getting a phrase wrong. I once managed to use the wrong term a dozen times in a thread before someone pointed it out to me - and I wish they'd done so before I'd done it that many times.

I wouldn't dream of correcting anyone on spelling or grammar - this is a forum not a college dissertation.

A Gelth?

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He's not writing for it - that shows he cares about it!

Now if only Chris Chibnall cared about it that much, it might be worth watching!

Would be kinda odd don't you think that he would devise a series, develop it, fight to get it made, succeed in getting it made, see it become more popular than it's parent show in America, and then lose interest?!!!

Promos, news and scheduling will be out of RTD's hands.
As for Dead ringers paradying Torchwood - they have ripped it out of Dr Who far more over the years.

He's gonna rule over the three Martha Jones episodes with an iron fist.

Excellent: Dervish in PotD shocka!

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If no-one cared about Torchwood then why would there be a 2nd series. Also 1st series of shows are usually abit slow and that as it has to establish the characters and also foundation of the programme. It may seem abit slow at times as it is all based on Earth its not like Dr Who that goes around in time and space. Dr Who Series One ( New Series I should say ) Was most probably popular as it had been going on for years and years before so it had established the Character and also what the programme was about. I enjoy watching both of the shows and hope that they carry on for a long time as in my opinion I think that its shows like this makes it worth paying a tv liscence for !!! ( I know there may be some spelling mistakes but hey my spelling is c**p ..... so sue me !!!! )

And wht was the Controller of BBC2 battling to get the programme ahead of the Controller of BBC3?