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Lost practically all interest in SCD since Kelly and Brendan left.
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thenetworkbabe
05-12-2007
Originally Posted by frell-tastic:
“I know it sounds so dramatic, but since it was announced that Kelly pulled out I have become practically disinterested in SCD. They were my favs and made the whole show exciting and just gave it that extra something. Now im very indifferent.”

Worse it was the final nail in the coffin of a real competition as Gabby and Penny had already gone and both they and Kelly had the potential to match or more than match anyone elses improvement. Its now a two horse race - Alesha or Gethin. As Gethin has the standard Mills and Boone hunk finds his emotional side story, he may well win. Its an improvement on last year because the best dancer will probably make this year's final and Gethin can actually dance quite well, but it should have been a far better competition given how many good dancers actually started this series.
Mozzie77
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by Kaos:
“I miss Brendan and Kelly... I haven't lost interest because I liked Gethin anyway. As for Kelly and Brendan fans now voting for Gethin, I don't think its down to spiting Alesha I really do think its because most of us Brendan fans love Camilla and its natural for us to kind of swing our votes towards Camilla because of the bond between her and Brendan... I don't think it has anything to do with being anti-Alesha, Gethins dances don't gel with everyone, but they do with others, same goes for Alesha, and I think its good that Alesha has some competition in the fav poll...”

When Kelly left, I decided I didn't want to watch any more. - but then I saw Gethin dance on the bbc youtube site - I was 'bowled' over! - Yes I too have always liked Camilla (wish B&C were still together) & I think Gethin should go to the final.
soulmate61
06-12-2007
Alesha has consistency without surprise, Kelly talent without limit, Brendan creativity without fear.

Along with Kelly has gone all chance of a dance so moving it brings tears to the eyes. A light has gone out of SCD.
jjackson42
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“Alesha has consistency without surprise, Kelly talent without limit, Brendan creativity without fear.

Along with Kelly has gone all chance of a dance so moving it brings tears to the eyes. A light has gone out of SCD.”

PUHLEEEZZE!!!!:yawn:
BuddyBontheNet
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by jjackson42:
“PUHLEEEZZE!!!!:yawn:”

Ditto!
Spinaker5
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by jjackson42:
“PUHLEEEZZE!!!!:yawn:”

We're all entitled to our own point of view.
BuddyBontheNet
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by Spinaker5:
“We're all entitled to our own point of view.”

Exactly.
starborn8
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by jjackson42:
“PUHLEEEZZE!!!!:yawn:”

But surely not unexpected? I've read posts that are far more emotional/sappy on other appreciation threads and from the title, it is sorta implicit that the author of this thread like Kelly and Brendan so I expecting positive opinions and sympathy for them.

I have seen described in other threads Alesha's goodness as shining through her dances and that you can tell that she is a wonderful person by the way she dances. Now I think that totally OTT???!! and simply don't get it but I cannot doubt the sincerity of Alesha fans who believe it.

So while I wouldn't have expressed my emotions quite as boldly as soulmate61's, I agree 100% with the sentiment behind his/her post.
ellieb123
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by starborn8:
“But surely not unexpected? I've read posts that are far more emotional/sappy on other appreciation threads and from the title, it is sorta implicit that the author of this thread like Kelly and Brendan so I expecting positive opinions and sympathy for them.

I have seen described in other threads Alesha's goodness as shining through her dances and that you can tell that she is a wonderful person by the way she dances. Now I think that totally OTT???!! and simply don't get it but I cannot doubt the sincerity of Alesha fans who believe it.

So while I wouldn't have expressed my emotions quite as boldly as soulmate61's, I agree 100% with the sentiment behind his/her post.”

But was there any need to bring Alesha into her comment at all- it could have just said 'Kelly has talent without limit, Brendan creativity without fear'. Why did Alesha need to get mentioned at all?? Or why not use another couple to compare Kelly to?

xx
BuddyBontheNet
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by ellieb123:
“But was there any need to bring Alesha into her comment at all- it could have just said 'Kelly has talent without limit, Brendan creativity without fear'. Why did Alesha need to get mentioned at all?? Or why not use another couple to compare Kelly to?

xx”

I agree - I wouldn't have posted my reply if it had just been about Kelly and Brendan or mentioned the rest of the remaining celebs.
soulmate61
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by ellieb123:
“But was there any need to bring Alesha into her comment at all- it could have just said 'Kelly has talent without limit, Brendan creativity without fear'. Why did Alesha need to get mentioned at all?? Or why not use another couple to compare Kelly to?

xx”

This is NOT an Alesha knocking thread, and I would not dream of knocking Alesha. The point of saying Alesha has consistency without surprise is no different from loosely paraphrasing Len, "You (Alesha) come out every Saturday and put up a top performance, you never put up a duff performance."

Consistency scoring always mid-thirties and higher is not a criticism. Without surprise? No Girlpower Cape Paso's, no thunderous controversy over 3 lifts or Len twice blowing a fuse. It was suggested by other posters that Kelly and Brendan bring edginess and tension and the unexpected into the competition.

If you think Alesha is inconsistent and surprising, well ......
ellieb123
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“This is NOT an Alesha knocking thread, and I would not dream of knocking Alesha. The point of saying Alesha has consistency without surprise is no different from loosely paraphrasing Len, "You (Alesha) come out every Saturday and put up a top performance, you never put up a duff performance."

Consistency scoring always mid-thirties and higher is not a criticism. Without surprise? No Girlpower Cape Paso's, no thunderous controversy over 3 lifts or Len twice blowing a fuse. It was suggested by other posters that Kelly and Brendan bring edginess and tension and the unexpected into the competition.

If you think Alesha is inconsistent and surprising, well ......”

I just wondered why you had to bring her up at all, that's all.... And why no-one else got mentioned? As BuddyBonTheNet has already stated, they wouldn't have felt the need to respond to your comment in such a manner if Alesha hadn't been mentioned.
I don't mean to cause offence, and trust that you weren't slating Alesha, but when there's still four people left in the competition and you just mention her, it may come across the wrong way.

xx
starborn8
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“I agree - I wouldn't have posted my reply if it had just been about Kelly and Brendan or mentioned the rest of the remaining celebs.”

As you are getting nearer the finals, its going to be very difficult to find posts that don't compare the couples and specifically one couple compared with another couple. I find it perfectly acceptable in forum discussions to say I find one couple dull compared to whoever or I don't like them as much as whoever. That is not a malicious attack on that celebrity or anything spiteful, just people stating their opinion!

Alesha is going to be used as a comparison a lot because she is a very talented (arguably the best technical dancer left in the competition) dancer and considered the one to win. Its is logical to use her as a benchmark or as a comparison.

But she is not everyones favourite and not everyone likes her as much as another couple. People should be allowed to say so and gush about another couple without it being considered an Alesha bashing/attack.
BuddyBontheNet
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by starborn8:
“As you are getting nearer the finals, its going to be very difficult to find posts that don't compare the couples and specifically one couple compared with another couple. I find it perfectly acceptable in forum discussions to say I find one couple dull compared to whoever or I don't like them as much as whoever. That is not a malicious attack on that celebrity or anything spiteful, just people stating their opinion!

Alesha is going to be used as a comparison a lot because she is a very talented (arguably the best technical dancer left in the competition) dancer and considered the one to win. Its is logical to use her as a benchmark or as a comparison.

But she is not everyones favourite and not everyone likes her as much as another couple. People should be allowed to say so and gush about another couple without it being considered an Alesha bashing/attack.”


Please don't get me wrong, I do not object to anyone being criticised and nothing about maliciousness or spitefulness was mentioned - I am not a basher.

I thought the post in question was a bit gushing, but would never have even bothered to reply if the poster had only mentioned Kelly and Brendan.

As another poster said, why was it necessary to make the comment about Alesha at all if the aim was to show emotion about the loss of Kelly and Brendan to the series (which I agree with BTW)?

I'm not getting into an Alesha v Kelly battle, but as you say everyone is entitled to their opinions.
starborn8
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“Please don't get me wrong, I do not object to anyone being criticised and nothing about maliciousness or spitefulness was mentioned - I am not a basher.

I thought the post in question was a bit gushing, but would never have even bothered to reply if the poster had only mentioned Kelly and Brendan.

As another poster said, why was it necessary to make the comment about Alesha at all if the aim was to show emotion about the loss of Kelly and Brendan to the series (which I agree with BTW)?

I'm not getting into an Alesha v Kelly battle, but as you say everyone is entitled to their opinions.”

Okay


Its hard to keep a thread entirely free from other remaining competitors but I understand your POV. With celebrity leaving threads, there are bound to be people sorry to see them go and then thoughts will turn to who is left (numbers gettiing smaller) so comparisons are inevitable. I would only see it as a problem and consider people should start a separate thread if several people then veered into a long Alesha vs Kelly comparison.
BuddyBontheNet
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by starborn8:
“Okay


Its hard to keep a thread entirely free from other remaining competitors but I understand your POV. With celebrity leaving threads, there are bound to be people sorry to see them go and then thoughts will turn to who is left (numbers gettiing smaller) so comparisons are inevitable. I would only see it as a problem and consider people should start a separate thread if several people then veered into a long Alesha vs Kelly comparison.”

Glad we're friends again.
sarah-flute
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by Birdie65:
“Certainly for me the competition went pretty flat when Kelly and Brendan left, but that may have been largely due to the atmosphere of sadness due to the death of Kelly's father, which I thought was evident in some of the other dancers and celebrities.”

^ agree with this totally - I'm not a Kelly fan, though I am sad she had to leave, but I definitely felt that the atmosphere of the show on Saturday was in the main quite subdued, and it seems likely to me that losing John and Kelly in quick succession, the reason for Kelly's departure, and the fact that all this happened in the week when they suddenly had two solo routines to learn, all contributed to that.
zankoku87
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by sarah-flute:
“^ agree with this totally - I'm not a Kelly fan, though I am sad she had to leave, but I definitely felt that the atmosphere of the show on Saturday was in the main quite subdued, and it seems likely to me that losing John and Kelly in quick succession, the reason for Kelly's departure, and the fact that all this happened in the week when they suddenly had two solo routines to learn, all contributed to that.”

Plus, Letitia, Flavia and Ola being ill...
xTonix
06-12-2007
I do miss Kelly

Oh my god she was in my dream last night it was very strange, she was on I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here

And I was there as well
starborn8
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“Glad we're friends again. ”

Wasn't really a fight. LOL, was not really peeved with anyone. Just pointing out that what was posted by soulmate 61 or equivalent is not uncommon in most threads and I bet there will be more as the final approaches.

Thanks, though, you have good manners.
BuddyBontheNet
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by starborn8:
“Wasn't really a fight. LOL, was not really peeved with anyone. Just pointing out that what was posted by soulmate 61 or equivalent is not uncommon in most threads and I bet there will be more as the final approaches.

Thanks, though, you have good manners. ”

I do miss Kelly, for me she was the 'glamour' in the show - the way she looked on the night of the AS just blew me away. She looks like a movie star with her fabulous hair and teeth - I always envy women who can wear a true red lipstick LOL!
sarah-flute
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by zankoku87:
“Plus, Letitia, Flavia and Ola being ill... ”

Yes, true. I am hoping and reasonably confidently expecting more sparkle this week.
soulmate61
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by ellieb123:
“I just wondered why you had to bring her up at all, that's all.... And why no-one else got mentioned? As BuddyBonTheNet has already stated, they wouldn't have felt the need to respond to your comment in such a manner if Alesha hadn't been mentioned.
I don't mean to cause offence, and trust that you weren't slating Alesha, but when there's still four people left in the competition and you just mention her, it may come across the wrong way.

xx”

Ellieb, no offence in the least, lol XXX.
By popular demand, version 2:


Kelly has talent without limit, Brendan creativity without fear. Along with Kelly has gone all chance of a dance so moving it brings tears to the eyes. A light has gone out of SCD.
clonion
06-12-2007
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“No there is no Alesha bashing on this thread, there is indifference. Those who were excited by K&B are now pining for them, they are not excited by Alesha and Matt. Bandicoot's plaintive cry is "why?".

Alesha is strong meat, either you liked her from the start or you did not. Those who kept records can tell us, whether the DS "most-liked" poll for 9 consecutive weeks showed Alesha always hovering around 40% of the forum's 500 voter sample. As the 4 major vote getters left one after another (Penny, John, Kelly, Kenny), Alesha continued to be most-liked by around 40%, no more no less. If long-established Alesha fans were holding firm as seemed likely, then the inference is that over 9 consecutive weeks Alesha almost NEVER attracted new supporters. If the muffled dissenting voices on this thread mean anything, then no, the substantial college of Kelly and Brendan voters are not about to switch to Alesha.

Can anybody provide Alesha's percentage in the "most liked" DS poll over 9 weeks?

Looking at it from another angle, 60% were against Alesha in week 1, and 60% remain against her in week 10. In week 1 the anti-Alesha votes were split and made feeble, but by week 12 the opposition vote will have coalesced and united onto one single person, probably Gethin. Unlike Alesha, Gethin has no problems attracting new supporters. When Matt goes his large electoral college of 18% could to a person switch to the other handsome young man Gethin.

If Alesha's trend over 9 weeks of NOT attracting new supporters continues, then on Final night her 40% support could be completely swamped by Gethin's 60%.

We are of course analysing a voting sample of 500, while trying to project the voting intentions of 12 million. We shall see, in 17 days.”

I don't understand your reckoning for Alesha. Surely you implie that when someone's preferred couple went out that they didn't vote for someone else? For Alesha to have remained steady, she has obviously attracted the attention of some whose favourite has left, as have the others. Maybe some found that there was no other couple they would like to vote for, but a large proportion have redistributed. Just like, as you suggest, that Matt would redistribute to Gethin, so too some Kelly fans had Alesha as a second favourite, some had Matt, some had Kelly. Some false logic at work, here. Maybe her gain percentage-wise isn't obvious, but a greater number of people are voting for her than in previous weeks. The others have also had increases, but it does not then follow that because the percentage is the same, there are no new supporters.
soulmate61
06-12-2007
Someone with actual stats from past weeks will have to confirm true or not true, whether Alesha support did or did not stay constant around 40%. The total number of votes in that poll has stayed around 500.

If 40% support stayed constant, then the implication is that

Either Alesha picked up some new support, but lost some old support,

Or that her old supporters stayed faithful, and she picked up few new supporters.
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