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Old 05-12-2007, 15:45
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Have to say , listening to some of their solos from Saturday , they were far better than the 3 girls that got chosen as the eventual "Girls" Emily,Kimberley and Alisha in my opinion.

I felt that despite going off key several times , Raquelle still sung some notes that weren't flat, unlike Emily.

Leah had a far better voice than Alisha and she certainly had a gutsy tone to it. I actually felt that she was just as good as Phoebe.

And last but not least I felt that Phoebe was a better singer than Kimberley and had more talent.

You may say that Kim was better than Raquelle , but were the three girls from Hope better collectively than Alisha,Emily and Kim? I actually feel that they could have given Sharon a shot at the crown.
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Old 05-12-2007, 15:48
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Even though I dont have much time for Mrs O, thats an interesting opinion.

Phoebe, Steph Woods and a girl called Paris with an amazing voice!

How about that for a final 16-24 girls final 3.
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Old 05-12-2007, 15:51
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Even though I dont have much time for Mrs O, thats an interesting opinion.

Phoebe, Steph Woods and a girl called Paris with an amazing voice!

How about that for a final 16-24 girls final 3.



Yeah that would be good. But I was referring to the Hope girls because they were rejected at the first boot camp stage as they weren't "good enough". I just felt that together they were better than the 3 girls that were eventually chosen.
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Old 05-12-2007, 15:58
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Yes, possibly true. Maybe slight argument for Alishas voice over Raquelle but then again i fancy Raquelle.
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Old 05-12-2007, 22:06
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At bootcamp I thought the girls were actually the strongest, Sharon's decision were just not very good. I think that Sharon could have won this year with Steph or Phoebe, both likeable, pretty with good voices, she could have had a strong chance. I will never understand how Emily go to the final three, I will never understand it.
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Old 05-12-2007, 22:11
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Sharon's chosen 3 were all dire and her song choices were even worse. I suspect if the "Hope project" hadn't been pulled out of Louis' backside some of them would have made Sharon's final 6 anyway. It was always planned to form a girlband of "rejects" so good singers were rejected for this very reason.
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Old 05-12-2007, 22:13
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I wouldn't choose Raquelle as she was pretty weak last Saturday but Phoebe and Leah definitely!
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Old 05-12-2007, 22:15
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At bootcamp I thought the girls were actually the strongest, Sharon's decision were just not very good. I think that Sharon could have won this year with Steph or Phoebe, both likeable, pretty with good voices, she could have had a strong chance. I will never understand how Emily go to the final three, I will never understand it.
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Old 05-12-2007, 22:25
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I would of chosen Phoebe, Steph and Leah for the final 3. Sharon would of stood a good chance of winning with them. She's only to blame for not putting Steph through though, the 4 of them together messed up on the other girls.
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Old 05-12-2007, 22:29
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I'd have chosen Phoebe, Steph and Alisha/Leah probably ..

Leah is good but some of the notes during 'We Will Rock You' were sooo out of tune.
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Old 05-12-2007, 23:01
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Raquelle can't sing
Leah has a fairly good power voice but has no stage presence...
Pheobe isn't as good as people make out... by herself wouldn't be as good.

It should have been Steph, Kim and Victoria.

Sharon picked the wrong three altogether.
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Old 06-12-2007, 00:46
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I think Raquelle's an average, if not slightly below average, singer who doesn't come ascross as being very likeable, so I'd count her out. I don't particularly rate Phoebe's voice either, she seems a tad hard to be as likeable as people think, to me. Leah's lovely and has a great voice, but the same goes for a lot of the girls who were at boot camp.

IMO, Alisha would have been a better choice for Hope than Raquelle, Charlie, Phoebe or Emily B - and it would've suited her better. Lady Shiverz was a real faux pas, even by the judges' standards - they wanted to make her singing seem more impressive than it was so that her story worked, but of course she had another story.....and who knows who could've had the place which was wasted on her? I liked Kim, and even if I'd been sat in the judging room, listened to everyone and decided that she wasn't one of the 12 I wanted to put through, it would have been because the standard was so high - she deserved her place in the finals, but she was really stitched up and it's a shame the public fell for it.

Myself (and my biases) aside, I couldn't say for sure which theree girls deserved to make the top 3/6/12 girls, whether they did or if they've been mentioned here. Some of the most promising candidates were orobably rejected by the producers before Simon and co even needed to show up.
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Old 06-12-2007, 10:21
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I think Raquelle's an average, if not slightly below average, singer who doesn't come ascross as being very likeable, so I'd count her out. I don't particularly rate Phoebe's voice either, she seems a tad hard to be as likeable as people think, to me. Leah's lovely and has a great voice, but the same goes for a lot of the girls who were at boot camp.

IMO, Alisha would have been a better choice for Hope than Raquelle, Charlie, Phoebe or Emily B - and it would've suited her better. Lady Shiverz was a real faux pas, even by the judges' standards - they wanted to make her singing seem more impressive than it was so that her story worked, but of course she had another story.....and who knows who could've had the place which was wasted on her? I liked Kim, and even if I'd been sat in the judging room, listened to everyone and decided that she wasn't one of the 12 I wanted to put through, it would have been because the standard was so high - she deserved her place in the finals, but she was really stitched up and it's a shame the public fell for it.

Myself (and my biases) aside, I couldn't say for sure which theree girls deserved to make the top 3/6/12 girls, whether they did or if they've been mentioned here. Some of the most promising candidates were orobably rejected by the producers before Simon and co even needed to show up.
Steph Woods, Paris & Phoebs - easy!

And another opinion of 'Raquelle doesn't come across as being likeable', where do people get this impression form?
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:55
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I think Raquelle's an average, if not slightly below average, singer who doesn't come ascross as being very likeable, so I'd count her out. I don't particularly rate Phoebe's voice either, she seems a tad hard to be as likeable as people think, to me. Leah's lovely and has a great voice, but the same goes for a lot of the girls who were at boot camp.

IMO, Alisha would have been a better choice for Hope than Raquelle, Charlie, Phoebe or Emily B - and it would've suited her better. Lady Shiverz was a real faux pas, even by the judges' standards - they wanted to make her singing seem more impressive than it was so that her story worked, but of course she had another story.....and who knows who could've had the place which was wasted on her? I liked Kim, and even if I'd been sat in the judging room, listened to everyone and decided that she wasn't one of the 12 I wanted to put through, it would have been because the standard was so high - she deserved her place in the finals, but she was really stitched up and it's a shame the public fell for it.

Myself (and my biases) aside, I couldn't say for sure which theree girls deserved to make the top 3/6/12 girls, whether they did or if they've been mentioned here. Some of the most promising candidates were orobably rejected by the producers before Simon and co even needed to show up.
Looking at the final 24 from the judges' houses, if Simon was bold enough he could have given recording contracts to

Kim (not the bartender, the girl who didn't get through)
Steph, easily
Rhydian
Dom
Charlie (maybe...)
Daniel (not debourg)

Kim and Steph were completely brilliant. Dom had one of the best voices ever seen on the X Factor, how Dannii can say that Andy and Leon were better - well I don't know. Strange. Charlie is very talented and has made a fair bit of music. He was musical enough to sing at different ranged. In comparison to all the final 6 boys only he was closest to Rhydian in accomplishing a distinguished range.

Kim was a lot like Charlie. Steph was just out of this world, brilliant singer.

These guys would have made a great competition and they could have offered most of these a contract to sell records.
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Old 06-12-2007, 12:03
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Pheobe should have been in instead of Emily (even before her scandal)

never rated Emily she was far too young, far too nervous, her performance of 'im not a girl, not yet a woman' a perfect song for her considering her age (she could have made it her own) yet she turned it into a right boring performance.
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Old 06-12-2007, 12:07
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I think Danni had a tough choice from her final 6, it was the category i was most anticipating her final 3 choices.

Rhydian I picked
Shaun/luke was never going to get through
Dominc was robbed

I think she picked andy partly because she fancied him and thought all other women would, i wouldnt have.

Charlie or Leon was the intersting 1.
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Old 06-12-2007, 13:49
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Looking at the final 24 from the judges' houses, if Simon was bold enough he could have given recording contracts to

Kim (not the bartender, the girl who didn't get through)
Steph, easily
Rhydian
Dom
Charlie (maybe...)
Daniel (not debourg)

Kim and Steph were completely brilliant. Dom had one of the best voices ever seen on the X Factor, how Dannii can say that Andy and Leon were better - well I don't know. Strange. Charlie is very talented and has made a fair bit of music. He was musical enough to sing at different ranged. In comparison to all the final 6 boys only he was closest to Rhydian in accomplishing a distinguished range.

Kim was a lot like Charlie. Steph was just out of this world, brilliant singer.

These guys would have made a great competition and they could have offered most of these a contract to sell records.
Steph W was good live (at boot camp) but I didn't like how she sounded on TV - it seemed a bit shrill in comparison. The songs she was singing didn't appeal much to me either, there was a lack of originality there and it's not that she wasn't likeable but I think she'd have lacked charisma as a finalist.

I liked Kim H more vocally and think she'd have been more marketable, and more mature than Steph.She wasn't a performer offstage, if you know what I mean, but would easily be able to win the viewers over with her personality.

Dom had a good voice, but again I didn't see much originality there. As with Steph W (seeing as the judges seemed so fond of them both), I think the judges were wary of putting young people through - which is why I think Emily was selected, she wouldn't have lasted much longer even without her scandal.

I was surprised Charlie didn't get through actually, he had a good voice and seemed interesting. I think if Luke enters a show like this when he's a bit older, he'll easily make the finals, he's a very sweet guy and has a lot of potential as a singer. Shayne Ward wasn't ready when he was 16, but his time came. If Luke had been older, I think Dannii would have picked him over the less charismatic Andy and Leon, whose voices his was at least as good as.

Daniel M was OK - I wouldn't have minded either way if he'd replaced Daniel D or beverley (I like Niki) but I don't think the best O25s were (generally) the ones taken to Kouis's house - it was the same in most categpries really.

For me, W4 were the biggest shock in terms of thoise who didn't make the finals. They were young, but old enopugh not to have been discounted based on their age, attractive but natural looking girls, who could arrange their songs really well, sing and dance - most importantly they were all lovely girls, adn a proper group!

If Hope hadn't been on the cards, Phoebe woulddn't have made it as a soloist. I much prefer Leah's vocie and suspect that the only reason Phoebe was chosen as the lead singer was because of her age - most weeka, the judges would mention it, in an attempt to make her and the group seem more impressive and gain votes.
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Old 06-12-2007, 14:40
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Vocally Kim H was the best of the final 6 girls. How Emily got through over her and Steph is a complete mystery to me. And then Sharon moaned at her acts getting voted out. It's your own fault Sharon!
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Old 06-12-2007, 14:43
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yup gutted when Kim H didnt get through, easily the most commercial and potentially could have done well.
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Old 06-12-2007, 14:47
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re the OP - no.

Raquelle is desperate case, which is what Simon liked, Leah sounded good Saturday, but has had weeks of intensive training to improve since boot camp and Phoebe may have had a chance, but has mainly shone through being the lead singer of Hope, who have so much backing that you often can't distinguish anybody but the soloist.
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Old 06-12-2007, 14:49
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Whats quite sad is Emily B is actually good. Shes notbeen good in the live shows, but she is a really good singer, as shes always loved singing, and she was a good at her audition and everything.

Steph would have given Sharon a palce in the finals, but to be honest I think the only mistake Sharon made was putting Emily through. Steph, Kimberley & Alisha were good (although Kim could have been better than Alisha), but I dont think Raquelle, or Phoebe are that good.

I do like Lea though, she should have got through, but then she shouldnt have, cos there was only three places
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Old 06-12-2007, 14:52
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Alisha was never gonna get far anyway , we saw like a 10 second clip of her before the live shows! lol
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Old 06-12-2007, 14:53
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I know but it appears that she was really good at bootcamp

not as good as steph though
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Old 06-12-2007, 14:55
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Not wanting the offend Alisha fans but it puzzled me as to why she got through, she was slightly overhyped (although Valerie was one of my fav performances)
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Old 06-12-2007, 15:26
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Leah was the only one in hope with a decent voice. Phoebes was pretty average. I don't know why they didn't let Leah front the band. Maybe because she was too tall
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