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Old 06-12-2007, 10:59
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Now as we're rapidly approaching the final and we've had time to get to know the contestants a lot more, I think it's worth looking at the auditions and bootcamps.

Just what went wrong with Rhydian? To think he came so close to going out at that first audition. Forget about editing, he came across as seriously arrogant and just plain weird at times. The choice of song, the tuning whistle, his claims of grandeur etc

Was it nerves? Was that the real Rhydian? I've been back and looked at the videos and it just doesn't make sense to me when you compare it to how he's coming across on TV now.

There's more unanswered questions than last night's last episode of Heroes.
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:04
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Its ironic how Dannii originally said no, and Sharon said yes. I know Sharon likes Rhydian now but in bootcamp she never.
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:10
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Editing can only do so much as well. The things he said were arrogant and Dannii Minogue admitted herself the things he says make him look arrogant.

But to me big deal if he is over-confident, he has a talent and he knows it. Im not to keen on him but the sudden chance in persona was a bit much for me. I just can't warm to him at all. He obviously was told he needed to come across better or risk losing. Worked a treat
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:20
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Just what went wrong with Rhydian? To think he came so close to going out at that first audition. Forget about editing, he came across as seriously arrogant and just plain weird at times.
Me and many others I know didn't see him as arrogant and were fans from a very early point.

I think the question is, why did people see him as arrogant and weird not what did Rhydian do wrong...

We already know the producers were doing this to him and portraying him in that manner.
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:21
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I think people are afraid of talented people and endear to vulnerable people more.
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:23
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Me and many others I know didn't see him as arrogant and were fans from a very early point.

I think the question is, why did people see him as arrogant and weird not what did Rhydian do wrong...

We already know the producers were doing this to him and portraying him in that manner.
There was a problem with the editing, we all agree. But seriously some of the stuff Rhydian came out with!

i just think its seriously funny that they think using a tuning whistle is a sign of arrogance. Could it be that he wanted to sing in tune?! hmmm, difficult one!
Even the judges burst out laughing.

When was the last time you saw an act use a tuning whistle on stage?
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:23
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Its ironic how Dannii originally said no, and Sharon said yes. I know Sharon likes Rhydian now but in bootcamp she never.
Sharon still doesnt like Rhydian, as a budding psychologist i can tell she is pretending to be nice to him to cover up her sarcastic comments.
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:25
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There was a problem with the editing, we all agree. But seriously some of the stuff Rhydian came out with!
Some people just talk like that and it was like an interview, a job for him where you sell yourself and from that point, I just took it as professionalism - one of the first professional acts I have seen.

Even the judges burst out laughing.

When was the last time you saw an act use a tuning whistle on stage?
Again, I saw it as professionalism. I can't believe Louis laughed at that because it is a singing competition and if he wants the best an act will tune themselves.

Better than the out of tune auditions (mentioning no names, no names at all) they put through with "you've had a bad life, you're through".
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:26
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Sharon still doesnt like Rhydian, as a budding psychologist i can tell she is pretending to be nice to him to cover up her sarcastic comments.
She is threatened by him. I don't think like or hate comes into it. Rhydian has something she couldn't buy with publicity, talent.
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:26
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There was a problem with the editing, we all agree. But seriously some of the stuff Rhydian came out with!

Even the judges burst out laughing.

When was the last time you saw an act use a tuning whistle on stage?
I never have - but maybe that says more about me than it does about Rhydian?
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:28
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I can't warm to him i watch him from hte start he's arrogant, he has a talent and he knows it. But i just can't watch him
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:29
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The thing is the producers can ask you a question such as:

Producer: Do you think you could be bigger than Michael Jackson?
Rhydian: Err...Yes.
Producer: Can you put that into a proper sentence?
Rhydian: I think I can be bigger than Michael Jackson.

On the TV version they just show Rhydian saying..."I think I can be bigger than Michael Jackson".

(Example taken from Charlie Brooker)
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:29
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I never have - but maybe that says more about me than it does about Rhydian?
Also, this was an audition not a stage performance.
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:31
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Sharon still doesnt like Rhydian, as a budding psychologist i can tell she is pretending to be nice to him to cover up her sarcastic comments.
I'm no psychologist, but even I could tell she's seemed to turn again. Very cool towards him.

I think it's for a different reason though. Now she has no-one to mentor she's bored and feels distanced from the others. She hardly critiques them anymore; either meanders incoherently or just says 'mummy'.

Frankly I'm bored with the woman. And I used to like her.
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:41
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When was the last time you saw an act use a tuning whistle on stage?
Speaking as someone who used to sing (badly) the whole point of a tuning whistle is to start you off on the right note. If you're unaccompanied, this doesn't usually matter, but Rhydian's audition piece made use of the full range of his voice, so if he had started on the wrong note, some notes would have been out of his range.

There is always an equivalent to a tuning whistle on stage. A performer has to know which note to start on, otherwise they will be singing in a different key to who/whatever is accompanying them. If the accompaniment (sp?) starts first, the performer will have been told from where to take his first note. If the performer starts first, he will be given a quiet cue, which the audience won't normally hear.
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:45
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He was arrogant in the beginning he probably still is..

On camera he has to be nice really doesnt he and x factor turns into pantomime -Just a little bit he gives me the impression hes false and a bit 2 faced i might be wrong but he really didnt do himself favours at the auditions/bootcamp.

I cant warm to him ive tried but i cant all though he can sing and i liked YRMU he isnt my cup of tea.
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:47
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He knows he is good and he knows he is performance of the night for the majority, but he pretends that he isn't that good. His fake "I'll-try-to-stop-smiling" says it all.
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:51
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As a Rhydian fan since very early in the live shoes, having thought he was originally arrogant, I have to say it is down to the editing. The audition is probably not how it happened. Some people (especially one who is clasically trained like Rhyd) need to hear the note they are going to sing to focus the performance. Nothing out of the ordinary there. The judges were responsible for taking the mickey slightly.

Watch it back again and take your 'what went wrong' head off. I watched it as a non-Rhyd fan, and a Rhyd fan on Sunday, my perspectives changed. All editing
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:58
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How is a tuning whistle arrogant
Did Rhydian make the song he sang to Dannii up? I agree he did seem a bit wierd when he came out at the first audition.

Rhydian: Some people call me Rhyd or The Rhyddler...
Simon/others: The Rhyddler...?



How times change...
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Old 06-12-2007, 12:01
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Re: the tuning whistle - as a classical singer, Rhydian would not have been used to doing an audition without an accompanist. The accompanist plays a few notes on the piano to help with tuning. In the absence of an accompanist, you use a tuning whistle.

As someone who has worked with hundreds of singers at a conservatoire, the majority of those who go into the performing arts are super confident. You would not be able to get through the years of constant criticism and rejection at auditions unless you were confident in your own ability. I think some people confuse confidence with arrogance (helped along the way by the X Factor producers no doubt!)
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Old 06-12-2007, 12:03
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Some people (especially one who is clasically trained like Rhyd) need to hear the note they are going to sing to focus the performance. Nothing out of the ordinary there. The judges were responsible for taking the mickey slightly.
Yes, the judges were very snide about the tuning fork, but in reality it is a bloody sensible thing to do and I'm astonished more auditionees don't do it. Starting on the wrong note is catastrophic because it can take the song out of your range and you end up singing stuff that's far too high or low for you, which is a surefire way to a dreadful audition. I'd imagine lots of quite good singers make a dogs bollock of their audition because of this.
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Old 06-12-2007, 12:20
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How is a tuning whistle arrogant
Did Rhydian make the song he sang to Dannii up? I agree he did seem a bit wierd when he came out at the first audition.

Rhydian: Some people call me Rhyd or The Rhyddler...
Simon/others: The Rhyddler...?



How times change...
Exactly

Yeah I think, that Rhydian was maybe slightly naive about the context of the audition, and nerves did'nt help, don't forget he'd just had that knock back at Joseph School
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Old 06-12-2007, 12:34
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I actually think the best part of the series so far was how he turned the audition around from an absolute car crash to the superb impromptu Dancing Queen. I still wonder what the hell was going on initially though.
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Old 06-12-2007, 12:38
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why hasnt someone sorted his hair out by now!

dye it dark and get rid of the silly quiff, and i may take him more seriously

and i'm not sure that this 'announcement' that he's a devout christian, whos not gay and is a virgin has done him much favours either. Personally i think 'each to their own' and it doesn't bother me, but i feel its made him look even more odd, he'd have been best staying silent.
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Old 06-12-2007, 13:30
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I liked the bit when Simon said he had a problem with him. "Lets say Louis was your mentor and it's Abba week and he gives you Dancing Queen....."

Rhydian pauses for a second and then said, "Yes, I can do that" and bursts into a rendition of the Abba song.

Classic.
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