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I'M SO TORN ABOUT MATT - He's messed up two weeks running....
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Spider Girl
08-12-2007
Originally Posted by KDee:
“The SUN - no I do not . I wouldnt waste one penny on that rubbish. Its only usefullness is to wrap your scaps in and throw in the bin”


Well you obviously do read the Sun then if you know that story was in it I read it in the Mail
lozwinter
08-12-2007
Matts my least favourite left in the competition. when he getting marks in the region that kenny did, its time to go! letiticia has improved so much but matt seems to be going downhill.
eponadebs
08-12-2007
I think, very simply, that to make it fair the judges should judge SOLELY on the dance-ff, which is what it was introduced for. Granted, they certainly haven't stuck to that ethos all the way through, but if it's Tish and Matt in that dance-off, I do think that's how it should be done.
olivej
08-12-2007
Originally Posted by Pasta:
“I said on another thread: the delay in his exit story-line scuppered him. It was supposed to have been long since done and dusted, not starting as the 2-dance weeks began. It looks like it became a viscious circle - diverting attention from rehearsal (intensity if not hours), performing relatively under par last week, and repeat this week, in more extreme form.”

at least 2 of the other celebs are still doing a "day job" too - Gething is still working on Blue Peter, Letitia is busy rehersing panto and they have both managed to pull of good performances tonight
celfyddydau
08-12-2007
Judging soley on tonight then it should be Matt.
Hellywelly
08-12-2007
Originally Posted by Kez100:
“Poor Matt has had everything against him - Gethin taking off, the introduction of two dances and work resuming. All at the very time he is tired. At this stage no one deserves another chance and he didn't do his best last week either. Pity but it's not about seeing possible talent now - we should be evidencing it. If we are not then that person should go. Tonight, that's Matt.”

I agree. This is the quarter final, the time for second chances should be long gone.
KDee
08-12-2007
Originally Posted by Spider Girl:
“Well you obviously do read the Sun then if you know that story was in it I read it in the Mail”

No I dont - its been written about on here many many times.
rita1
08-12-2007
Originally Posted by Hellywelly:
“I agree. This is the quarter final, the time for second chances should be long gone.”

Isn't "second chances" what the dance-off is all about though? If not, what is it for?
Spider Girl
08-12-2007
Originally Posted by KDee:
“No I dont - its been written about on here many many times.”


Seeing as I've never mentioned reading the Sun, you did, stop diggin me out about it. If you don't like being accused of reading it yourself don't accuse me of doing the same

Also if it's been commented on on here 'many many times' I don't get why you didn't understand the comment in the first place

I think we'll agree to disagree on this one
mia75
08-12-2007
If Matt had had one bad week i'd say he should go through. But this is 2 weeks in a row now.
It's actually quite painful to watch him dance when it used to be a pleasure. I've just watched his American Smooth again which was just beautiful and he doesn't seem like the same person to me now.
I would have said i'd want them through so i could watch Flavia do the Argentine Tango again but she's doing it with Vincent anyway, so I say vote Letitia lol
soulmate61
08-12-2007
The second chance was when Flavia tried to comfort Matt -- not the end of the world to mess up in front of 9 million. Matt would not respond to Flavia, that was the worst of all the shortcomings tonight. The partnership is broken, there is no strength left in it.

The third chance was the samba without bounce. He became stiff as a plank, and there is no way he can undo that within two hours.

The fourth chance will be the samba in the dance-off. How many chances should there be?

Letitia came out with a temperature of 100 and danced like her life depended on it. She and Darren formed an unbreakable alliance in distress. In the dance-off (the third dance of her evening) she came out and improved on her first attempt, following judges' advice. Limited resources, but boundless courage.
Spider Girl
08-12-2007
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“The second chance was when Flavia tried to comfort Matt -- not the end of the world to mess up in front of 9 million. Matt would not respond to Flavia, that was the worst of all the shortcomings tonight. The partnership is broken, there is no strength left in it.

The third chance was the samba without bounce. He became stiff as a plank, and there is no way he can undo that within two hours.

The fourth chance will be the samba in the dance-off. How many chances should there be?

Letitia came out with a temperature of 100 and danced like her life depended on it. She and Darren formed an unbreakable alliance in distress. In the dance-off (the third dance of her evening) she came out and improved on her first attempt, following judges' advice. Limited resources, but boundless courage.”

Couldn't have said it better myself
annie75
08-12-2007
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“The second chance was when Flavia tried to comfort Matt -- not the end of the world to mess up in front of 9 million. Matt would not respond to Flavia, that was the worst of all the shortcomings tonight. The partnership is broken, there is no strength left in it.

The third chance was the samba without bounce. He became stiff as a plank, and there is no way he can undo that within two hours.

The fourth chance will be the samba in the dance-off. How many chances should there be?

Letitia came out with a temperature of 100 and danced like her life depended on it. She and Darren formed an unbreakable alliance in distress. In the dance-off (the third dance of her evening) she came out and improved on her first attempt, following judges' advice. Limited resources, but boundless courage.”

Following on from these comments, I have a question about Matt and Flavia's partnership. He has been affected by nerves several times over the series. I was wondering if, if he had had a different partner, would she have been better able to deal with those nerves? Eg Perhaps someone like Erin might have worked better for him. this isn't a criticism of Flavia, it's more a question about personalities. For example, Karen was really really tough on Mark last year, but as a sportman he seemed to rise to every challenge she set him. Would Flavia do better with a sportsman perhaps, and would Matt do better with perhaps Erin or Camilla? Just a thought, NOT an opinion, really a question to see what everyone else thinks!
JaneFinn
08-12-2007
Originally Posted by rita1:
“Matt should go through. I'd rather watch him dance than Letitia even with the mistakes, because somewhere in there, there is real dancing talent.”

That's exactly how I feel. Letitia isn't always great, and even at her best and his worst, I'd always rather watch Matt. He has style and charisma, and great chemistry with Flavia.

It would be very brave of the judges to make that call, though, if Letitia dances well and Matt badly in the dance-off.
But if he does go out, it will be a far more dull semi-final, IMO.
rita1
08-12-2007
There's no way we can guess how different partnerships would have worked - we'll never know.

I'm still hoping Matt will get through tonight - it's just going to be so boring and predictable otherwise.
BallroomBear
08-12-2007
If any of the rumours about Matt and Flavia are true, maybe his feelings for her and the fact that he can't have her has broken the dancing relationship.

Who are we to know what might or might not have gone on behind the scenes between the two of them on a personal level?
Cally's mum
08-12-2007
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“The second chance was when Flavia tried to comfort Matt -- not the end of the world to mess up in front of 9 million. Matt would not respond to Flavia, that was the worst of all the shortcomings tonight. The partnership is broken, there is no strength left in it.

The third chance was the samba without bounce. He became stiff as a plank, and there is no way he can undo that within two hours.

The fourth chance will be the samba in the dance-off. How many chances should there be?

Letitia came out with a temperature of 100 and danced like her life depended on it. She and Darren formed an unbreakable alliance in distress. In the dance-off (the third dance of her evening) she came out and improved on her first attempt, following judges' advice. Limited resources, but boundless courage.”

Well said.

I love all of the remaining four and am so torn about who I want to win. I honestly would be pleased whoever it was. Because they all seem like such nice people, who are working damned hard to not only perform their best but to perform for their partners so they don't let them down and also try to give the audience a good time. That's the ethos of a good performer (of not a good performance itself!).

I nearly cried for Matt tonight when he started to fluff in his first dance and then when he just gave up and went and sat down I didn't know whether to be distressed for him or just plain cross because he had just given up. (I settled for the former).

It's a horrible thing to happen. He appears to be having the opposite story from Letitia, who started out all nerves and then grew into this wonderful dancer/performer who gave it her all even with a temperature of 100! (Mind you, I was even more impressed with Flavia and Ola last week, because you wouldn't have known they were ill if it hadn't been mentioned later! And Flavia and Vincent performed that gobsmackingly awesome dance in the results show too!).

Poor Matt. A part of me wants to cuddle him and tell him it'll be okay. Another part of me wants to clip him round the ear, tell him to pull himself together and just to go out and have fun and forget everything else!

Whoever is in the dance off tonight (oh, sorry, tomorrow! ) it will be difficult to see them go because they're all worthy winners for very different reasons.

If Matt and Letitia are in the bottom two I don't know who the judges will choose. I have a feeling it might actually be the first truly split vote of the season. Craig has a soft spot for Letitia, plus she was better than Matt tonight. Arlene has a soft spot for Matt. Bruno - well, I can't call that one!

I suspect, however, that Matt might just get the 'sympathy' vote and leave the dance off between Letitia and Gethin or Alesha, in which case Letitia will undoubtedly leave. Or the unthinkable might happen and it might be Gethin and Alesha!

I seem to have actually come up with every combination there (apart from Matt vs Gethin or Matt vs Alesha, in which case I suspect that it would be Matt leaving).

Personally, I think they're all winners. Because they've entertained us for weeks now and kept us on the edges of our seats (sometimes for good reasons, sometimes - not so much!).

Whoever leaves tonight (tomorrow!) should know that they have done a brilliant job and that regardless who is the eventual winner, they have all been fantastic. And they will be missed.
Austen1984
08-12-2007
Originally Posted by Cally's mum:
“Well said.



I nearly cried for Matt tonight when he started to fluff in his first dance and then when he just gave up and went and sat down I didn't know whether to be distressed for him or just plain cross because he had just given up. (I settled for the former).
I suspect, however, that Matt might just get the 'sympathy' vote and leave the dance off between Letitia and Gethin or Alesha, in which case Letitia will undoubtedly leave. Or the unthinkable might happen and it might be Gethin and Alesha!

I.”

I so agreed with you- I wasn't sure which to feel - such a mixture.

In America Mel B messed up a huge amount of her showdance and she kept it together...Matt didn't just forget his dance - he got stagefright.

He's pulled himself out of he problem before.

He didn't know the routines as well as he'd have liked and therefore convinced himself he'd forget them.

He said he did them perfectly in rehersels...therefore he can remember them - he just psychologically wasn't going to allow himself to do it.

He gave up SO quickly - and once he had messed up the foxtrot he was ready to mess up the second one.

I'm not sure he deserves to stay - only because if he stays, someone else has to go and the others have proved themselves....its such a tough call! He is only 20 after all...
cosmic dancer
08-12-2007
Originally Posted by annie75:
“I was wondering if, if he had had a different partner, would she have been better able to deal with those nerves? Eg Perhaps someone like Erin might have worked better for him.”

I think so too. Flavia creates very interesting choreographies but should consider making them slightly easier so Matt gets more confident. And I noticed on ITT she didn't say anything to make him more confident either, like "I'm sure he'll do well." Claudia asked which dance was going better, but she said the level was sort of the same in both, implying 'bad'. There's no use in saying you're not worried at all and it's going to go amazing when your partner's so nervous (that would be trivializing how hard it is for them), but there is something in between that and being this serious.
Austen1984
08-12-2007
Originally Posted by cosmic dancer:
“I think so too. Flavia creates very interesting choreographies but should consider making them slightly easier so Matt gets more confident. And I noticed on ITT she didn't say anything to make him more confident either, like "I'm sure he'll do well." Claudia asked which dance was going better, but she said the level was sort of the same in both, implying 'bad'. There's no use in saying you're not worried at all and it's going to go amazing when your partner's so nervous (that would be trivializing how hard it is for them), but there is something in between that and being this serious.”

I just remember how much time vincent put into overcoming Louisa's nerves...Flavia doesn't seem to be the rock in their relationship - I'm not blaming either...I just think that when he was saying 'I'm so sorry' after the Tango she said nothing back....her silence...I don't know - its hard to say.
BuddyBontheNet
08-12-2007
Originally Posted by KDee:
“IMHO Matt should go through this week. He's a far better dancer than Letitia (although I love her) usually and I think he derserves a chance.”

I agree and if it was my choice I choice Matt over Tish - last week my heart went out to Tish, this week I really felt for Matt.
EmmaGx
08-12-2007
... can't work out if I want to read the spoiler threads tis week or not ... I'm usually really good about waiting till the Sunday show to find out ... but I really want to know this week! ... maybe I should just go and read my book!
KDee
08-12-2007
Originally Posted by Spider Girl:
“Seeing as I've never mentioned reading the Sun, you did, stop diggin me out about it. If you don't like being accused of reading it yourself don't accuse me of doing the same

Also if it's been commented on on here 'many many times' I don't get why you didn't understand the comment in the first place

I think we'll agree to disagree on this one”

I was being sarcastic. Its been mentioned so many times on DS it annoys me that still people think they are involved in a relationship.

Yes agree to disagree
Spider Girl
08-12-2007
Originally Posted by KDee:
“I was being sarcastic. Its been mentioned so many times on DS it annoys me that still people think they are involved in a relationship.

Yes agree to disagree”


peely
08-12-2007
Originally Posted by Spider Girl:
“I think that Matt's age shouldn't be brought into the argument. It's like having to listen to Len go on about Louisa last year all over again. If they think that they're too young to cope don't have them in the show.

Maybe his nerves are more to do with the fact that Flavia has to dance with Vincent tonight in the AT?? ”


Louisa coped much better than Matt has in terms of controlling nerves during the performance, so its not exactly a question of age. I think she's stronger in general and has a sunnier disposition than Matt, so her age was less of a liability.

However, age does come into it if you are the type of person who cracks under pressure. As you get older, the more experiences you have the more you can put things into perspective.

I am concerned about Matt's state of mind at present and it may be kinder to him for him to go out at this stage.
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