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Old 05-08-2009, 12:54
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Oh yeah Roxy is selfish and mainly thinks of herself and yes most of her actions recently have hurt the people close to her, but she didn't intentionally set out to break seans heart she didn't want Jack to be Amy's father because she knew what it would do to ronnie and her family if he was, also withholding access from jack at the beginning wasn't just because she didn't want anything to do with him it was because ronnie didn't want jack to have anything to do with amy which is why she called him a sperm donor. But yes she went after Jack and she deserved a bit more than a slap for that and ronnie probably shouldn't be talking to her now but she is so roxy is still not being made to pay for her actions and take responsibility because she knows no matter what ronnie is always going to forgive her the way she didn't blame her about archie coming back although that is going to come to light soon that he only weasled his way back in because janine told him ronnie wasnt around which is why he knew he could get to roxy with ronnie gone. But still ronnie let roxy get away with that so she isn't going to change she is always going to think about herself - peggy is the first person right now that isn't instantly forgiving roxy, which is why archie asked her if she was only throwing the party to get one over on Peggy because she isn't getting her own way which is peggy forgiving archie and them going back to all being one big happy family which of course is a fantasy, ronnie seems to be taking it upon herself to protect roxy from archie when really she should just leave her to get hurt by him because that is the only way she is going to see him for what he is aslong as she doesn't witness it first hand then he is always going to find her weak spot to push himself back into her life.
I understand the above is as you say and Roxy isn't evil. That doesn't stop me sitting there often wanting to throw something at the TV as Roxy gets away with it again. I'm going to feel further that way as Ronnie's life spirals out of control with Roxy living a happy life with the dr, if that happens. I don't feel that Roxy deserves to be constantly living the happy life, with no comeback, no learning and no consequences for the awful things/situations she has caused. If there was no Amy, Ronnie would not be in such a bad way now. I know that isn't intentionally Roxy's faul, but it is the harsh truth. And lying to Ronnie about Jack, essentially stopping Jack from running after Ronnie (to sort out the baby issue), bringing Archie back, calling her baby Amy after Ronnie's baby, sleeping with Jack (having his baby), going after Jack, the christening craziness; all this unfortunately contributed to Ronnie's state of mind at the moment and Roxy is the underlying cause of a lot of those problems (moreso than Archie strange enough). You know that Ronnie will reap the consequences of her actions and often does feel remorseful, but I do feel a lot more sympathy for Ronnie (even if she is behaving badly) than I did for Roxy during her dilemmas.
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Old 05-08-2009, 16:12
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I understand the above is as you say and Roxy isn't evil. That doesn't stop me sitting there often wanting to throw something at the TV as Roxy gets away with it again. I'm going to feel further that way as Ronnie's life spirals out of control with Roxy living a happy life with the dr, if that happens. I don't feel that Roxy deserves to be constantly living the happy life, with no comeback, no learning and no consequences for the awful things/situations she has caused. If there was no Amy, Ronnie would not be in such a bad way now. I know that isn't intentionally Roxy's faul, but it is the harsh truth. And lying to Ronnie about Jack, essentially stopping Jack from running after Ronnie (to sort out the baby issue), bringing Archie back, calling her baby Amy after Ronnie's baby, sleeping with Jack (having his baby), going after Jack, the christening craziness; all this unfortunately contributed to Ronnie's state of mind at the moment and Roxy is the underlying cause of a lot of those problems (moreso than Archie strange enough). You know that Ronnie will reap the consequences of her actions and often does feel remorseful, but I do feel a lot more sympathy for Ronnie (even if she is behaving badly) than I did for Roxy during her dilemmas.


Ronnie will be fine if they just bring back danielle
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Old 05-08-2009, 16:30
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Ronnie will be fine if they just bring back danielle
Which isn't going to happen so there needs to be some other form of happiness or Ronnie moving on. She needs to come to soe form of peace over Danielle's death, move on and realise that happiness will not be found by holding onto the past, moving forward and shutting people out.
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Old 05-08-2009, 17:52
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Which isn't going to happen so there needs to be some other form of happiness or Ronnie moving on. She needs to come to soe form of peace over Danielle's death, move on and realise that happiness will not be found by holding onto the past, moving forward and shutting people out.
there are some things you never get over
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Old 05-08-2009, 20:22
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Which isn't going to happen so there needs to be some other form of happiness or Ronnie moving on. She needs to come to soe form of peace over Danielle's death, move on and realise that happiness will not be found by holding onto the past, moving forward and shutting people out.
I agree, and there has to be something that can bring a little bit of happiness into her life.. other than her baby obsession which doesnt sound like its going to end in happiness..
I guess we'll just have to wait and see..
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Old 05-08-2009, 20:31
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there are some things you never get over
Of course she will never be over it, but the path she is taking right now will only lead her to tragedy, so at some point she needs to stop, step back and move on the best she can. and Joel is going to make her worse, than better and that is definately not the path she should be taking. Joel will never give her what she wants and she isn't in love with him, just the idea of some substitute of the family they all would have been (in her mind) if it hadn't of gone wrong.
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Old 05-08-2009, 20:37
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Re. the home-wrecking s/l... Eh, does anyone else think that this one's going to be a little close to home for Samantha... Womack?

I'm not really impressed with this Ronnie-going-off-the-rails kick to be honest. I think the writers are just going to make her as detested as Roxy is. What's really illogical about the whole thing though, is Janine's major interest. It makes v. little sense that she'd wage a campaign against someone whose daughter she killed (accidentally of course). There should at least be some residual guilt, sympathy or even awkwardness that'd encourage her to steer well clear of Ronnie. Besides, Janine doesn't generally hatch evil schemes unless there's something in it for herself. What's the point in accelerating Ronnie's downfall? It seems like a total waste of time and effort. The little spat re. Ryan would hardly be enough to make Janine kickstart a vendetta. He's old news already as far as she's concerned.. I'm starting to think that the writers are simply out of ideas as far as Janine's concerned.. She really hasn't had a decent s/l since her return. You'd think that more could have been done re. her relationship with Ricky's family, or her reaction to Danielle's death could have been explored. We've seen how it affected Ronnie and Stacey- why not Janine?
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:31
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Re. the home-wrecking s/l... Eh, does anyone else think that this one's going to be a little close to home for Samantha... Womack?

I'm not really impressed with this Ronnie-going-off-the-rails kick to be honest. I think the writers are just going to make her as detested as Roxy is. What's really illogical about the whole thing though, is Janine's major interest. It makes v. little sense that she'd wage a campaign against someone whose daughter she killed (accidentally of course). There should at least be some residual guilt, sympathy or even awkwardness that'd encourage her to steer well clear of Ronnie. Besides, Janine doesn't generally hatch evil schemes unless there's something in it for herself. What's the point in accelerating Ronnie's downfall? It seems like a total waste of time and effort. The little spat re. Ryan would hardly be enough to make Janine kickstart a vendetta. He's old news already as far as she's concerned.. I'm starting to think that the writers are simply out of ideas as far as Janine's concerned.. She really hasn't had a decent s/l since her return. You'd think that more could have been done re. her relationship with Ricky's family, or her reaction to Danielle's death could have been explored. We've seen how it affected Ronnie and Stacey- why not Janine?
Janine is not a nice person who doesn't show remorse for anything - she pushed barry down a cliff then sat their and watched him die, she has made peoples lives a misery because she felt like it so I dont think she was ever going to show remorse for what she did to danielle, and archie is paying her to interfere in ronnies life which is part of the reason why she is doing it but also she has never liked ronnie ever since she came back to ee so she is also probably enjoying it - the thing with janine is she gets jealous very easily and she is jealous of ronnie, the fact that most of the guys fancy her, she owns her own business, she is close to her family things that janine wants but can't have so because of that reason she makes sure she can hurt these people because it makes her feel better.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:52
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I understand the above is as you say and Roxy isn't evil. That doesn't stop me sitting there often wanting to throw something at the TV as Roxy gets away with it again. I'm going to feel further that way as Ronnie's life spirals out of control with Roxy living a happy life with the dr, if that happens. I don't feel that Roxy deserves to be constantly living the happy life, with no comeback, no learning and no consequences for the awful things/situations she has caused. If there was no Amy, Ronnie would not be in such a bad way now. I know that isn't intentionally Roxy's faul, but it is the harsh truth. And lying to Ronnie about Jack, essentially stopping Jack from running after Ronnie (to sort out the baby issue), bringing Archie back, calling her baby Amy after Ronnie's baby, sleeping with Jack (having his baby), going after Jack, the christening craziness; all this unfortunately contributed to Ronnie's state of mind at the moment and Roxy is the underlying cause of a lot of those problems (moreso than Archie strange enough). You know that Ronnie will reap the consequences of her actions and often does feel remorseful, but I do feel a lot more sympathy for Ronnie (even if she is behaving badly) than I did for Roxy during her dilemmas.
Thats exactly what I meant she doesn't get punished for her actions - that is probably becuase ronnie looks at roxy as her daughter more than a sister, stops talking to her for a few days but cant stop loving her so doesn't make her pay for the way she behaves, if their were reprucussions to her roxy's actions she wouldn't behave the way she does thinking she can get away with it.

At least if Roxy is living happy with Al she isn't chasing Jack which means ee have finally given up on that storyline which is only a good thing.

I think I would blame archie for more of ronnie's behaviour now than Roxy, if ronnie had danielle in her life would she be bothered by the fact that Roxy had Amy, probably not. For me the cause of Ronnies pain now is danielle dying, not Jack, Roxy or Amy but the fact she thought she finally had what she had been waiting for and then she had to watch it be taken from her, that is archies fault. I dont think Ronnie at the moment should be in a relationship she should be getting help then when she is feeling better then she can think about moving on her with her life until then she is bottling it all up and trying to push her attention elsewhere which isn't fair on her or the people around her because they are going to feel the force of her anger when things dont work out for her (baby and joel)
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Old 06-08-2009, 12:02
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Re. the home-wrecking s/l... Eh, does anyone else think that this one's going to be a little close to home for Samantha... Womack?
What do you mean?
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Old 06-08-2009, 16:49
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What do you mean?
I didn't understand it either so looked on Wikipedia and apparently Sam had an affair with whoever husband is now and he had a child with his wife so I'm guessing thats what the poster meant by the s/l being close to home
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Old 06-08-2009, 19:35
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Tonight is why Roxy annoys me. This is what she should be doing regarding helping ehr sister. Her energy is totally focused on helping the wrong person!

My response to Roxy's about her dad going through hell would be the hell he put Ronnie and Danielle through. His loneliness does not compare to Ronnie's grief as to her dead daughter.
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Old 06-08-2009, 19:59
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OK. Now if I havr this right; Ronnie is now sharing a room with Roxy and Amy. so where is she going to get jiggy with Joel? And when Joel leaves his wife; where is he going to go or is Roxy going to move back with archie?
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Old 06-08-2009, 20:16
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OK. Now if I havr this right; Ronnie is now sharing a room with Roxy and Amy. so where is she going to get jiggy with Joel? And when Joel leaves his wife; where is he going to go or is Roxy going to move back with archie?
Ronnie and Joel could get their own place couldn't they or Roxy could get her own place?!
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Old 09-08-2009, 02:36
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Ronnie and Joel could get their own place couldn't they or Roxy could get her own place?!
and there will even be a spare room for danielle, when they realise she isnt actually dead
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Old 09-08-2009, 09:05
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Ronnie and Joel could get their own place couldn't they or Roxy could get her own place?!
Well I would hope that Ronnie/Joel wouldnt be so rash after only knowing each other a few weeks. You don't move in with people after two weeks!
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Old 09-08-2009, 16:31
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hey guys, i've just got back from holiday for 2 weeks..and have no idea what's going on? could anybody fill me in, and on future spoilers ronnie/jack (if any)
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Old 09-08-2009, 20:41
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They've ruined Ron's character by turning her into a psycho ...
She should be with Jack end of . Not F***ing around the past and new young boys for that matter!
They should ditch her baby obsession ...
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Old 09-08-2009, 22:29
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They've ruined Ron's character by turning her into a psycho ...
She should be with Jack end of . Not F***ing around the past and new young boys for that matter!
They should ditch her baby obsession ...
It's part of her character though - the baby thing. Her whole character is defined by the fact that she was forced to give away a baby at 14 and everything that's happened to her since with Danielle etc. They can't ditch that because it'd completely destroy who she is.

She's not a psycho..she's just damaged. The thing is, she needs someone like Jack to help her heal. She just needs to see that for herself rather than living in the past.
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Old 09-08-2009, 22:50
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It's part of her character though - the baby thing. Her whole character is defined by the fact that she was forced to give away a baby at 14 and everything that's happened to her since with Danielle etc. They can't ditch that because it'd completely destroy who she is.

She's not a psycho..she's just damaged. The thing is, she needs someone like Jack to help her heal. She just needs to see that for herself rather than living in the past.
I agree, if ronnie didn't have the danielle issue then she would just be a bitch with a nasty streak, ronnie has a reason for her behaviour and a reason to be guarded and to not exactly get close to people. She's damaged and although i think jack can help i dont think she will ever get over her issues fully, everything that happened with danielle will stick with her for life now because its scarred her, so whether a relationship full time with jack would work i dont know, she is going to have trust issues, she is going to struggle to let him in because she has been hurt so many times by him, her father, her sister, but this is what makes ronnie's character they are what define her a brilliant character, ee just need to make sure they dont take things to far so it is impossible to turn things around for the character
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:05
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I agree, if ronnie didn't have the danielle issue then she would just be a bitch with a nasty streak, ronnie has a reason for her behaviour and a reason to be guarded and to not exactly get close to people. She's damaged and although i think jack can help i dont think she will ever get over her issues fully, everything that happened with danielle will stick with her for life now because its scarred her, so whether a relationship full time with jack would work i dont know, she is going to have trust issues, she is going to struggle to let him in because she has been hurt so many times by him, her father, her sister, but this is what makes ronnie's character they are what define her a brilliant character, ee just need to make sure they dont take things to far so it is impossible to turn things around for the character
I don't think Ronnie should be with anyone right now. Ryan of the three was the better choice simply because it was uncomplicated fun. Any relationship with Jack is too serious and too intense for a time when she should be healing, getting over things and with so many issues (particularly with Amy involved). Joel is even worse ashe doesn't know her nasty side, her "cvrazy" side like Jack, and people who are "nice but dull" don't tend to put up with that sort of stuff too long and I'm not sure Joel would take kindly (or deal as well as Jack did) with the baby obsession and trying to trick him into being a father. Add the fact Joel is married and already has three kids; there is no way he will be wanting more, especially so soon into a relationship. And revisiting the past is never good. Onr thing that was clever with Rack this time is they did show Ronnie/Jack being more open and totally trusting in their feelings. Yes, Ronnie had an issue with amy, but I never saw her thin k he wanted Roxy. The only real issue they had was the baby issue and this time, Ronnie wronged him. However, now is totally the wrong time for them, but I hope they do become friends as I honestly feel Jack (and even Archie to an extent) know her best. but clearly Archie isn't the best person to help her through this. Jack also knows how to handle her. Someone like Jioel is too easily manipulated and probably too "nice" to understand Ronnie's more devious side.
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Old 10-08-2009, 19:10
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Does anybody know if ronnie does sell her share in r&r to jack??
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Old 10-08-2009, 19:24
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Does anybody know if ronnie does sell her share in r&r to jack??
apparently so, yes.... on Friday Jack hands Ronnie a cheque for her share in r&R. Thats also why he has to do business with Archie in order to raise the cash to buy her out....

personally I find all this a bit perplexing, I cannot imagine why jack would do this.......
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Old 10-08-2009, 21:06
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ARCHIE:All I require is a one word answer. Yes or no?

JACK:Yes.

ARCHIE:And have you got her where you want her?

JACK:I'll pop round later - we'll have this conversation then.

Wonder what this is about??
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Old 10-08-2009, 21:14
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ARCHIE:All I require is a one word answer. Yes or no?

JACK:Yes.

ARCHIE:And have you got her where you want her?

JACK:I'll pop round later - we'll have this conversation then.

Wonder what this is about??
I've just read this, doesnt sound too good does it? "Have you got her where you want her" can only refer to Ronnie.....

I really thought it was going to be Jack and Ronnie together bringing down Archie - but it looks from all this like its Archie and Jack together to bring down Ronnie
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