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I think we need to change about 2,000 forum posters, you're all a bunch of nutters.
And unless you're prepared to publicise your dance credentials, this degree of second-guessing judge marking is the farce. |
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2000 posters have valid points to make in a free speech world.
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As above, freedom of speech.
Although most of us won't be pro dancers. We have eyes. Everyone goes on about the "entertainment show" and the judges are NOT entertaining, in my opinion |
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Len is no longer fulfilling his role as technical expert (due to the loss of his 1-7 paddles) So I think we need at least one ballroom and one latin expert to replace two of the judges (replacements for Len and possibly Bruno perhaps, although I do think Bruno has some entertainment value). All rounders in ballroom/latin would be better of course. My concern is that unless that happens, the judges' marks will never have any credibility. Even Craig, who I would like to keep on the panel, has his shortcomings, since although conscientious in his marking he can miss things, but that wouldn't be so much of a problem if there were two experts we could depend upon to pick up on things.
5 judges would make a dance off fairer as it is really at the moment all about Len. I would suggest John Byrnes from series 1 as the extra judge. He already does some consultancy work for the BBC on this series, cant think why they dont use him. He has a full time dance school and a young family so wouldnt want to dance on the show (no time) but him as a judge would be really good provided Len would let him have an opinion and not try to shout him down like he does with the others. He is actually better qualified than Len to do it anyway so would be the head judge. |
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I think we need to change about 2,000 forum posters, you're all a bunch of nutters.
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Why not pull out random 4 members of the audience to judge and do away with the dance off?
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Why not pull out random 4 members of the audience to judge and do away with the dance off?
they can't be worse? |
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No Phillip Jackson. He is boring. I would replace Goodman with Karen Hardy without a shadow of doubt. Would be inclined to keep Bruno as with three other reasonably sensible judges, his eccentricity could be quite entertaining.
If Bruno were to go I would look to replace him maybe with Brendan?? Whilst Karen has the credentials the very fact she has danced ont the programme would mean she wouldnt work on the panel for me. There are loads of great judges out there with the credentials and the presonality to do it |
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There are loads of great judges out there with the credentials and the presonality to do it Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidJames Technical knowledge of dance is one aspect,I think we need to change about 2,000 forum posters, you're all a bunch of nutters. And unless you're prepared to publicise your dance credentials, this degree of second-guessing judge marking is the farce. artistic judgment is another. But the most important attribute of a judge is impartiality, and in this respect the layman jury repeatedly show up better than one judge in particular. |
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Technical knowledge of dance is one aspect, artistic judgment is another. But the most important attribute of a judge is impartiality, and in this respect the layman jury repeatedly show up better than one judge in particular. |
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It's the inconsistency that is an issue. Sometimes they appear to be going for performance and sometimes they seem to want the technicalities correct. For a '10' or anything approaching it both these elements should be in place.
Plus they expect different things from each individual, resulting in Alesha losing marks because they want "perfection" and Matt getting 40 for trying. Note: I don't think Matts waltz was bad, it just wasn't as good as Gethins or Aleshas. There are too many different dances for a good result. They should all have to do the same thing. How can a paso be compared to a waltz?! |
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I think we need to change about 2,000 forum posters, you're all a bunch of nutters.
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There are too many different dances for a good result. They should all have to do the same thing.
How can a paso be compared to a waltz?! |
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2000 posters have valid points to make in a free speech world.
I've seen dozens of threads today which are variations on that topic, and almost none about dancing. Ironically, the same people who complain that the show isn't about dancing, seem to want to make the forum not about dancing. Quote:
You are very rude
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, have you declared yours incidentally!
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your post is not constructive and contributes an absolute zero.
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Umm, exactly in what sense is "Oooh, I love XYZ, the judges are Evil for voting them out, I know more than the lot of you, it's a Conspiracy because of ABC" a valid point? Especially when repeated 2,000 times?
I've seen dozens of threads today which are variations on that topic, and almost none about dancing. Ironically, the same people who complain that the show isn't about dancing, seem to want to make the forum not about dancing. I am indeed - although I'm not slagging people off personally, unlike you. But that doesn't make me wrong.About 20 years' partner dancing, mainly in Modern Jive, Salsa, and a couple of years Argentine Tango, plus some dabbling in ballroom. And yes, I've declared this experience in previous posts - you know, the ones where I talk about dancing - I'm happy to find them if you'd like proof. And you? My post was intended to help people focus on the dancing rather than the bitching and whingeing that seems to have taken over this forum. And yes, it may well contribute zero, but some posts seem to be contributing much less than that ![]() |
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Len is an absolute disgrace.
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I think most of the anger is due to the fact that people resent attempts to manipulate them or make them look fools, others of course don't care. I suspect because they place themselves in a catergory above " us plebians" alongside the manipulators.
- and almost no threads talking about dancing, then it's difficult to avoid the impression that the atmosphere of this forum has gone into "hysterical" mode. How about some positive contributions, huh? Or, and I realise I'm possibly a lone voice in the wilderness here, we could possibly talk about dancing. |
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The 'Farce' is not allowing the viewing public to vote for the final three placings - back to last year
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The format is flawed - I'd advocate going back to last year
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Oh, I SO loved this show, but this series has gone so far wrong, I think I'll have to give it a miss next time round.
The judges have gone totally haywire. Len and Bruno seem to think they are some sort of Hollywood patriarchs whose word is law. They aren't. They have been inconsistant and contradicted and counter contradicted themselves. Some of their scoring has been totally bizarre. One week they have voted on 'what they've seen on the night' and the next week has been 'on the potential they could see' or 'what they have done in previous dances'. Well, please make your mind up, because as a former dance teacher and judge, it has to be one or the other or a combination of all three, but you can't change your mind every other week. Of them all, Craig is the only one I have any respect for. He is consistant, honest and marks what he sees. His only failing is he makes derogatory , personal comments about the celebrities. Criticise by all means, but make it positive and constructive, not personal. Will miss the show, but i think it will have to go as its current form is doing my head in. I hope I have better luck with 'Dancing On Ice' in the New Year! Merry Christmas and a happy and healthy 2008 to all you SCD fans. |
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they have all been making personal comments but I agree that Craig seems to be the only one making sense.
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Oh, I SO loved this show, but this series has gone so far wrong, I think I'll have to give it a miss next time round.
The judges have gone totally haywire. Len and Bruno seem to think they are some sort of Hollywood patriarchs whose word is law. They aren't. They have been inconsistant and contradicted and counter contradicted themselves. Some of their scoring has been totally bizarre. One week they have voted on 'what they've seen on the night' and the next week has been 'on the potential they could see' or 'what they have done in previous dances'. Well, please make your mind up, because as a former dance teacher and judge, it has to be one or the other or a combination of all three, but you can't change your mind every other week. Of them all, Craig is the only one I have any respect for. He is consistant, honest and marks what he sees. His only failing is he makes derogatory , personal comments about the celebrities. Criticise by all means, but make it positive and constructive, not personal. Will miss the show, but i think it will have to go as its current form is doing my head in. I agree that replacing them is a vital necessity: also think Karen Hardy would be a good choice, but what about an 'educated layperson' too? John Barrowman would be great... |
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Watching ITT recently I was very impressed with the comments made by James Jordan. I know at the moment he is still a competition dancer, but I think he would make an excellent judge eventually.
I think Karen Hardy would make a very good unbiased judge. Arlen should stop these silly alliterations, she looks pathetic stumbling over words that you know she has rehearsed before the show. She is also biased towards certain people, seemingly regardless of how well or badly they dance. Len is far too big for his boots now and thinks he's king of the panel and able to out-shout anyone who doesn't agree with him, especially Arlene. Bruno is just a joke, mostly, and doesn't really add anything useful for the contestants. Craig is the only one I have any respect for, but even he can get carried away - look at the 10 he gave to Matt and Flavia's waltz - no way was that merited. Just my views.
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The judges choice, especially so late in the contest, makes the show a farce...but the high scoring is totally destroying the show. A 10 is utterly devalued.
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All week I was expecting an announcement that the dance off for the semis would be the Argentine Tango, regardless of the scores. That would've been so much fairer!
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