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Saturn
16-12-2007
Originally Posted by NeverInDoubt:
“Gethin didn't top last week....unlikely he topped this”

Again we can't say for sure
KentishMaid
16-12-2007
Originally Posted by Chilli Dragon:
“Why another thread? There are plenty already.”

Coz it gives us sados with nothing better to do on a Saturday night, something to read.
NeverInDoubt
16-12-2007
What we do know is Alesha got more than Matt Di
Servalan
16-12-2007
Originally Posted by NeverInDoubt:
“What we do know is Alesha got more than Matt Di”

Which is at least heartening.

I'm sorry to see Gethin go - he'd done some of this series' best performances in his two 'breakthrough' weeks ... but he didn't deliver the goods tonight.

Prior to that, even before Kelly left, I'd had Matt down as a contender - he did some great stuff - and I wish both him and Alesha the best of luck ...

HOWEVER, the BBC should be ashamed of itself for the way it has hyped up Matt's panic attack all week: it was referred to on every edition of ITT and become a soap opera in its own right which has eclipsed the dancing. Matt's waltz was good tonight, sure - but the scoring felt like an OTT response to the hysteria that has snowballed all week. The judges have been appalling, especially Len, with his "He's only 20" mantra (Len, FYI, this should actually give Matt the upper hand). And shame also on Arlene for having slagged people off for sympathy voting in Monday's ITT, then succumbing to it herself tonight.

Both Alesha and Gethin have been eclipsed by this farce and I can only express disappointment at the way the show's focus has been lost.

Matt has now effectively been cast as the underdog - which worked wonders for him last week, and may well do so in the final.

But is this ALL that SCD is about? What was Craig saying last week about being a judge in a dancing competition ...?
NeverInDoubt
16-12-2007
It's a semi final knockout...

Matt Di danced better than Gethin.

Perfect 40 wasn't warranted, however.
Tissy
16-12-2007
Wonder how many people still think Craig is the fairest judge and when he gives a 10 it actually means something
Coronis
16-12-2007
I thought he was the sanest, till that ten for the waltz. Thought oh no Craig has succumbed. Agree with the OP, sympathetic for the fans who are sad and are trying to take it, none for the sore losers.
claire2281
16-12-2007
Hmmm....

I certainly don't think Matt Vs Gethin in the dance off should have been a foregone conclusion. Even ignoring the fact that imo (and the opinion of many others it seems) the 40/40 was unwarranted, Gethin has been the better dancer in the last few vital weeks of the competition and so I can see why his fans are so upset.

I've never liked the idea that the judges should decide solely on the dance off anyway. Why can they not take into account that even the best people can a have poor week? Seems rather nonsensical and against the good of the competition to perhaps vote of a strong dancer on one poor night and keep a mediocre one in (not that I'm saying that is what happened tonight just a generalisation...)

And if they had have kept Gethin over Matt it certainly would have not been the first time this series they put the lower scoring couple through!
ianpeter
16-12-2007
Its always the same when one of the favourites goes out, near the end. Its always a fix, not enough phone lines or some problem getting through. The fact they could vote nearly all week did not matter.

Then people have to learn it is the nature of the beast, that someone gets knocked out each week. Just look at Gabby logan who went early, because of sympathy votes. Now there was a good reason to complain about the voting, but hey, its the peoples vote at the end of the day.


This rubbish about to many tens given, if the BBC are not happy about that, then they can just ask the judges to lower the scores and be harder when judging.
thenetworkbabe
16-12-2007
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“Hmmm....

I certainly don't think Matt Vs Gethin in the dance off should have been a foregone conclusion. Even ignoring the fact that imo (and the opinion of many others it seems) the 40/40 was unwarranted, Gethin has been the better dancer in the last few vital weeks of the competition and so I can see why his fans are so upset.

I've never liked the idea that the judges should decide solely on the dance off anyway. Why can they not take into account that even the best people can a have poor week? Seems rather nonsensical and against the good of the competition to perhaps vote of a strong dancer on one poor night and keep a mediocre one in (not that I'm saying that is what happened tonight just a generalisation...)

And if they had have kept Gethin over Matt it certainly would have not been the first time this series they put the lower scoring couple through!”

Its 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. Matt started better. Gethin learnt to act a bit. Matt had some bad weeks. Gethin was more consistent. You would have to look at the records to see who had most really good dances. Matt may be a bit better at his best - or not. Matt may be a better actor if you find Gethin still looks incrdible (or the other way around) Matt may be less reliable for the final. Gethin wasn't as good this week - the week before the final. Not much in it. Given one has just been given 40 you might well go with what you have seen on the night if you are a judge.
thenetworkbabe
16-12-2007
Originally Posted by Saturn:
“Again we can't say for sure”

Last week Matt must have beaten him or Matt would have been in the dance off.
peeve
16-12-2007
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Its 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. Matt started better. Gethin learnt to act a bit. Matt had some bad weeks. Gethin was more consistent. You would have to look at the records to see who had most really good dances. Matt may be a bit better at his best - or not. Matt may be a better actor if you find Gethin still looks incrdible (or the other way around) Matt may be less reliable for the final. Gethin wasn't as good this week - the week before the final. Not much in it. Given one has just been given 40 you might well go with what you have seen on the night if you are a judge.”

I think what the Gethin fans are missing is that there is no point having a contest that works on the basis of eliminating one couple every week, if we are then going to moan about keeping people in on the basis of previous weeks' dances! If we are going to judge on improvement and/or consistency, then the competition should give ALL the couples a few weeks to do their thing so that the GBP can judge on that basis. But that isn't how SCD works.

Tonight, on the night, when it mattered, Matt was better than Gethin and Alesha was better than Matt. Fair result. End of.
mintchocchip
16-12-2007
Originally Posted by peeve:
“I think what the Gethin fans are missing is that there is no point having a contest that works on the basis of eliminating one couple every week, if we are then going to moan about keeping people in on the basis of previous weeks' dances! If we are going to judge on improvement and/or consistency, then the competition should give ALL the couples a few weeks to do their thing so that the GBP can judge on that basis. But that isn't how SCD works.

Tonight, on the night, when it mattered, Matt was better than Gethin and Alesha was better than Matt. Fair result. End of.”

Too right.
peeve
16-12-2007
Oh, and I'm not rooting for Matt, but I've watched Matt & Flavia's waltz a couple of times now. It really is an EXCELLENT waltz. I was stunned by the 4 x 10s originally, particularly the 10 from picky Craig, but I'm beginning to see what all the fuss was about. Matt's posture is beautiful, the footwork was flawless and he even (for the first time, I suspect) danced beautifully going backwards. The choreography was great too, with little extras that I missed first time, but which added to the feel of the dance. Rhythm was perfect, music was good. Honestly, I couldn't fault it.

I wish all the conspiracy theorists would spend as much time learning what makes a great waltz as they spend working out how corrupt the judges must be.
Psychosis
16-12-2007
Go over to the X-Factor forum. Gethin's fans are downright saintly compared to Rhydian's. I'm shocked, horrified, and a little upset by how awful they are.

So, yay for Gethin fans. And to any Gethin fans reading this, I'm sorry he's out At this stage it's a shame for whoever goes, but unfortunately Matt and Alesha (IMO) clinched it on the night.
miss_chelsea
16-12-2007
i agree with you 100% nikkers..cant say that i didnt expect it though
Mrs Fosdyke
16-12-2007
There's a real world out there... we'll all miss our Saturday night fix, but in the grand scheme of things does any of this REALLY matter? Gethin fans, learn to live with it. The guy was good, but in the end Matt was that bit better.
*I_love_greg*
16-12-2007
I completly disagree. By the way I am 100% neutral on the Gethin VS Matt thing because I am supporting Alesha and really don't care who gets through out of Matt and Gethin. Gethin has performed better than Matt for the last 3 weeks and I don't think last night was an acception - Gethin performed badly for Gethin but better than Matt. It should be a Gethin vs Alesha final.
northern_ch1ck
16-12-2007
Matt on the night deserved his place in the final. There seems to be a lot of sour grapes amongst the Gethin supporters, they really need to stop sucking the lemons and accept the fact he's gone. He did well in getting to the semi-finals anyway, an achievement on its own.
Jackster31
16-12-2007
Originally Posted by *I_love_greg*:
“I completly disagree.

Gethin has performed better than Matt for the last 3 weeks and I don't think last night was an acception - Gethin performed badly for Gethin but better than Matt. It should be a Gethin vs Alesha final.”

You're joking right the exception for Gethin had been the last two weeks where he actually out danced Gethin. Last night he was back to his (excusez le mot) boring, non charisma
and mostly stiff self. That''s just calling it like it is.
Matt on the other hand dipped the last couple of weeks (with last week as a total flop) yet redeemed himself last night to the level every sane person knows he's capable of. He does have the charisma and flair and most importantly chemistry with the Flav

And further more (note: not in reply to 'I_love_greg''s post):
Last nights result is fair; those who disagree..tough...you'll do well to finally except it as fact and start supporting one of the finalists or stop watching all together if it's all such a farce:sleep:
BTW this is directed to those die-hard Gethin fans (i.e. not to the fans who support Alesha) and who don't know when to quit....these people know who they are.
jane-hen12
16-12-2007
Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“Go over to the X-Factor forum. Gethin's fans are downright saintly compared to Rhydian's. I'm shocked, horrified, and a little upset by how awful they are.

So, yay for Gethin fans. And to any Gethin fans reading this, I'm sorry he's out At this stage it's a shame for whoever goes, but unfortunately Matt and Alesha (IMO) clinched it on the night.”

Totally agree.
The Rhyd fans are just HARSH. Leon had the public vote, and so got through. Like Alesha.

To be honest, the only reason i'm not happy about matt being through is because i feel sorry for him. It was clear the pressure was getting to him, and so there is still a chance he will humiliate himself next week.



As a Gethin And Rhyd fan...yesterday was NOT a good night
Dollystanford
16-12-2007
yes Matt would have had to top last weeks
Redsequin
16-12-2007
Originally Posted by peeve:
“It really is an EXCELLENT waltz. I was stunned by the 4 x 10s originally, particularly the 10 from picky Craig, but I'm beginning to see what all the fuss was about. Matt's posture is beautiful, the footwork was flawless and he even (for the first time, I suspect) danced beautifully going backwards. The choreography was great too, with little extras that I missed first time, but which added to the feel of the dance. Rhythm was perfect, music was good. Honestly, I couldn't fault it.”


Well said.
soulmate61
16-12-2007
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“... the BBC should be ashamed of itself for the way it has hyped up Matt's panic attack all week: it was referred to on every edition of ITT and become a soap opera in its own right which has eclipsed the dancing. Matt's waltz was good tonight, sure - but the scoring felt like an OTT response to the hysteria that has snowballed all week. The judges have been appalling, especially Len, with his "He's only 20" mantra (Len, FYI, this should actually give Matt the upper hand). And shame also on Arlene for having slagged people off for sympathy voting in Monday's ITT, then succumbing to it herself tonight.

Both Alesha and Gethin have been eclipsed by this farce and I can only express disappointment at the way the show's focus has been lost.

Matt has now effectively been cast as the underdog - which worked wonders for him last week, and may well do so in the final.

But is this ALL that SCD is about? What was Craig saying last week about being a judge in a dancing competition ...? ”

8 days ago an admirable attempt at objective judgment by Craig was shouted down. Fair play and impartiality was conclusively buried by the behaviour of Len, head of the panel charged with defending impartiality.

Letitia was the victim in the short term. The longterm victim will, surprisingly, be young Matt di Angelo. All future conversations with him and about him will come back to a minor incident fanned by Len into an airlift rescue mission at any cost. In the rush to action it was doubtful if voters foresaw the repercussions. Matt will carry a millstone round his neck, typecast as the 20-year-old object of pity, and the recipient of charitable rescue.
SilverBird
16-12-2007
Originally Posted by niikerrs:
“Neither do I!, How ridiculous is it that people are actually complaining to the BBC because Matt is in the final and they are so F*ing sour that they want to make a scandal out of it. When really look at Lettia's fans last week. They dealt with her leaving so gracefully, when last week crying outrage on Matt on the level that the Geth fans are would have been more understandable.



Because they are all negetive, lets blame Matt threads, and this one is in his and his suporters defence.



Geth's only been ahead 2 weeks !, gosh Matt was WAY WAY WAY ahead of him for 9! and and had 1 week where he wasnt on his best form but still produced 2 good dances and 1 week where he was bad. But he came back guns blazing better than Geth is fair and square! Deal with the fact that Matt danced better than Gethin TONIGHT!!”

How EVER many times do you feel the need to make this point? What, and your post, indeed the very title of this thread, is not negative? I suggest you get over yourself luv!

Oh, and I thought Matt did better than Gethin on the night, but Matt (indeed no-one - yet) deserved 4 tens. If anyone should have had them it should have been Alesha, but not necessarily last night. On balance, Matt probably deserves to go through. I feel sorry that Camilla didn't make it after all the work she's put in over 5 series, sod the contestants. I'm impartial as to who wins but think Alesha's probably the best all round dancer on SCD since Jill and Denise fought it out in series 2. Matt DA doesn't come close.

It's obvious you have a problem with some things that have been said, but it's not good to go on like this. If you don't like it don't do forums.
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